Fischer Pushes AIDS Denialism


Bryan Fischer, apparently not content to promote his usual religious right craziness, is now promoting Peter Duesberg’s AIDS denialism. Duesberg claims that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS and that it’s actually caused by rampant drug use by gay people. And Fischer apparently agrees with him:

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  1. Michael Heath says

    Ed writes:

    Duesberg claims that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS and that it’s actually caused by rampant drug use by gay people. And Fischer apparently agrees with him . . .

    I didn’t think Mr. Fischer only apparently agreed with Duesberg, but was instead quite explicit and a willing promoter of this lie. That’s given the content at the start of the video which has Fischer framing his position as a scam by scientists to get research grants.

  2. slc1 says

    Re Michael Heath @ #1

    That’s given the content at the start of the video which has Fischer framing his position as a scam by scientists to get research grants.

    Isn’t it amazing, the same argument made by the climate change deniers, the CFC/ozone depletion deniers and the tobacco/lung cancer deniers. As Dr. Hoofnagel, who is once again blogging over at the Scienceblogs Denialism blog, pointed out when he and his brother started their blog several years ago, the deniers all work off the same set of strategies and tactics.

  3. LightningRose says

    Then I’m sure he’s willing prove it by injecting himself with a little HIV tainted blood.

  4. MikeMa says

    Well of course Bryan believes this lie Ed. There are gay people involved. Doing gay things and having icky gay sex.

    I’m with Rose on this. Don’t believe HIV causes Aids? Line up here for our special transfusion.

  5. Ramel says

    @LightningRose

    Don’t you know that our blood is a highly toxic thick black sludge that carries teh gay like a virus?

  6. Jordan Genso says

    Obviously this Duesberg person can’t be trusted. He simply wants to promote the idea that homosexuality and drug use causes AIDS so that he can get grant money to study that causal relationship. (see how easy it is to use their same logical fallacies)

    Or is it that in order to show their motives are “pure”, they are not looking to do any studies that could provide evidence in support of their conclusion?

    They’ve developed a wonderful catch-22: if you have evidence to support your position, that position is invalid because your motivation was to earn money gathering evidence. If you don’t collect evidence to support your position, then your position is invalid because it is unsupported. But of course, IOKIYAR.

  7. slc1 says

    Re LightningRose @ #4

    Actually, he was challenged do do just that and it is my information that he accepted the challenge. Since that time, nothing but excuses have been heard from the good professor as he attempts to explain why he has not followed through.

    By the way, Prof. Duesberg is an example of a once productive and innovative scientist (who was allegedly nominated for a Nobel Prize in medicine back in the 1960s, based on his groundbreaking work on retroviruses) who’s reputation has been flushed down the toilet because of his denial of the evidence for the relationship of HIV and AIDS. He joins some other distinguished scientists in this category who turned into cranks, including Nobel Prize winning physicists Brian Josephson (PK, ESP, cold fusion), and William Shockley (racial intelligence differences).

  8. says

    Duesberg is still going on about this? He was giving seminars about his crackpot theories (and the AIDs thing was just one of them) when I was in graduate school over two decades ago! Even then we were asking, ‘when he is going to accept the evidence?’ Answer: never!

  9. rowanvt says

    I wonder how he would feel faced with FIV, the feline equivalent of HIV, and the fact that cats that have it eventually develop f-AIDS.

    Are there gay cats out there doing lots of drugs to develop that condition?

  10. Gregory Greenwood says

    It amazes me that these homophobic cretins are prepared to deny the entire field of virology simply to take a cheap shot at homosexuals.

    That kind 0f toxic bigotry clearly rots your brain.

    LightningRose @ 4;

    Then I’m sure he’s willing prove it by injecting himself with a little HIV tainted blood.

    Agreed. If they are so certain that there is no link between HIV and AIDS, that it is all a conspiracy to garner illicit funding, then it is time they put their money where their mouths are. After all, what have they to be afraid of…?

    Ramel @ 6;

    Don’t you know that our blood is a highly toxic thick black sludge that carries teh gay like a virus?

    Yup, that is about their speed. I can just imagine them claiming that AIDS is not caused by a virus, but that ‘teh ghey’ is…

  11. Gregory Greenwood says

    rowanvt @ 10;

    I wonder how he would feel faced with FIV, the feline equivalent of HIV, and the fact that cats that have it eventually develop f-AIDS.

    Are there gay cats out there doing lots of drugs to develop that condition?

    So that’s why Mr Tiddles staggers in at three in the morning with ‘flour’ in his whiskers and needle tracks on his forelegs…

  12. raven says

    Oh for Cthulhu’s sake. This “HIV doesn’t cause AIDS” has killed a lot of people.

    What’s the harm in HIV/AIDS denial?whatstheharm.net/hivaidsdenial.htmlCached – Similar

    Christine Maggiore. Age: 52. Van Nuys, California. Died December 27, 2008. She denied that HIV caused AIDS and refused to take medications for her herself …

    Christine Maggiore was a HIV Denialist activist who managed to kill not only herself but her young daughter who also died of AIDS.

  13. raven says

    I’ve dealt with HIV Denialists in the past. They are pretty kooky.

    But there aren’t very many anymore. Most of the ones that were HIV+ have died. Of AIDS. Someone once made a movie, House of Numbers, about how HIV didn’t cause disease. IIRC, four of the people who appeared in that movie have died of AIDS.

    HIV Denialism seems to be fading. Besides many of them dying of AIDS, we now have effective treatments that can extend people’s lifespans by 20 or 30 years. Rather than babbling like loons, a lot of people just go on HAART.

    Fischer has really outdone himself here. The guy is either another fundie xian monster or seriously crazy. Not only is he completely wrong, this particular lie has killed a lot of people.

  14. raven says

    To make matters worse, the vast majority of HIV+ individuals worldwide get it by heterosexual transmission.

    The vast majority are also women and children.

    Fischer is just an evil monster. The fundie xians produce a lot of monsters. What is telling is that none of the other xian churches are willing to call these people out on their malevolence.

  15. Aquaria says

    Good grief.

    Cambodia has a huge perinatal AIDS crisis, with at least 3 children a day born HIV positive, and most of them contract full-blown AIDS. Most of them die within a few short years of contracting AIDS. Most of them are dead by the age of 10.

    Do these inhuman pieces of filth think those kids were doing drugs and engaging in gay sex? Just how do they think those kids got the disease?

    These scumbags make me despair of Homo sapiens.

  16. Pieter B says

    Decades ago I thought the same thing as Aquaria. Had I ever the possibility of asking a short question of Dr Deusberg, it would have been (and still is) “How do you explain pediatric/perinatal AIDS?”

  17. D. C. Sessions says

    Just to avoid the “thick black sludge” problem, people like Abbie Smith culture buckets of HIV every month. Assuming, of course, that the thick black sludge isn’t like homeopathy and that it doesn’t get stronger with infinite dilution, Abbie should be able to provide a few drops of solution with nary an atom of icky homostuff.

  18. says

    Do these inhuman pieces of filth think those kids were doing drugs and engaging in gay sex? Just how do they think those kids got the disease?

    That’s easy. What they got isn’t AIDS and/or isn’t caused by HIV. Don’t you know that the Southeast Asian jungle (and sub-Saharan Africa) are chock-full of tropical diseases, and the people there are malnourished? This can explain any and all disease symptoms, and the mortality statistics of those places are totally unreliable and fudged by governments seeking foreign aid.

    Next!

  19. says

    I knew two young men, brothers, who died far too young of AIDS. They weren’t gay or drug addicts, they had hemophilia and like half the hemophiliacs in the US in the ’80s they contracted HIV via transfusion. My question for Duesberg would be how does he explain the incidence of AIDS in hemophiliacs and the fact the number of new cases each year went down to the rate of the general population once blood screening methods were implemented? Does he imagine that for a space of 10 years all the hemophiliacs in the country became gay drug addicts and then just stopped?

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