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Fundie: Atheists Die Sooner Than Christians

Keith Roberts, the ignorant and bigoted jerk who was taken to school on Twitter by Ricky Gervais, claims that atheists die younger than Christians do — with a total data set of two people.

Two of America’s most famous Atheists, George Carlin and Christopher Hitchens, both died prematurely and well below the National average, despite having access to the nation’s best health care and an abundance of wealth. Hitchens died at 62 (16 years below the Nat’l average), while Carlin died at 71 (7 years below the Nat’l average). Carlin and Hitchens both preached to their unGodly followers to “live life to the full because you only get one” and yet, they both fell short in that department.

I don’t think he understand the concept of an average. Then again, I don’t think he understands many concepts at all.

Comments

  1. Ellie says

    Let’s see. My Dad (non-believer who was an Atheist but didn’t call himself that) died at 90. My Mom, OTOH, was a Christian who lived to be 93. Guess he must be right. /sarc

  2. raven says

    Life expectancy in the U.S. varies widely by region and … – NOLA.comwww.nola.com › New Orleans Health and Fitness › Breaking NewsCached
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    15 Jun 2011 – Life expectancy in the U.S. varies widely by region and in some places is …

    Large swaths of the United States are showing decreasing or stagnating life expectancy … runs through the southern Appalachian Mountains and west through the

    That is totally false. Fundie xians have lower life spans than the general population.

    This is a statistical fact. Just look at where they live, the south central USA and compare them to where normal people live.

    To make things worse, in many of the fundie xian areas, the life span is going down. It’s not clear why but fundies are pretty stupid and maybe they just get run over trying to cross the street, forget to eat, or get lost on the way to the grocery store.

  3. rowanvt says

    I like how he’s using the “average” for women, not men, which in 2006 at least was about 75 years. In which case, Carlin wasn’t off by much (but still died far far too soon).

    Also, according to this, does that mean that only non-christian children die of cancer?

  4. raven says

    Keith Roberts, the ignorant and bigoted jerk who was taken to school on Twitter…

    IIRC, there was a “Keith”, a fundie xian creationist, from the midwest who has been ranting and raving on the net for decades.

    Keith is a hater. His problem isn’t ignorance and bigotry though. He appears to be seriously mentally ill. A US version of DM, the infamous Montreal frequent flyer poster.

    I don’t quite remember, but he might have been one of the death threaters. Trolls, they all seem to be quite forgettable.

    Maybe he will show up. His purpose in life seems to make everyone glad they live hundreds of miles from him.

  5. dingojack says

    Life Expectancy at birth:
    US Males: 75.92 years
    - CIA Factbook

    If he can’t get this little fact right…
    Dingo
    —–
    PS: the so-called ‘christian nation’ of the US is ranked 50th, behind (non-christian) nations such as: Macau (84.41), Japan (82.25), Singapore (82.14), Hong Kong (82.14), and that atheist-led country Australia (81.81)!

  6. exdrone says

    But Jesus died young, and he was pretty religious. So I guess I don’t understand how to draw conclusions from small samples.

  7. davidct says

    My aunt just had her 100th birthday. She still lives in a second story walk up. In spite of being the daughter of a preacher, she has been free of religion for a long time.

  8. raven says

    Candy Sagon aarp.org: edited for brevity:

    How Long Will You Live? It Depends On Where You Live
    Posted on 06/15/2011 by Candy Sagon // Personal Health and Well-being // Comments

    In certain regions of the U.S., life expectancy is actually decreasing, with some Americans dying younger than they were a generation ago.

    That’s the chilling news from a new county-by-county look at Americans’ life expectancy, based on data collected from 2000 to 2007.

    The study found that women’s life expectancy, in particular, has dropped or failed to rise in hundreds of counties, a setback not seen in the U.S. since the Spanish influenza epidemic of 1918, according to the researchers.

    While life expectancy at birth for both American men and women has increased slightly — to 75.6 years for men and 80.8 for women — the study revealed wide geographic disparities in how long we live.

    The lowest life expectancies are in counties in Appalachia, the deep South, and across northern Texas. In some cases, both men and women in these regions can expect to die more than a decade sooner than those in other areas.

    The study was led by Christopher Murray, MD, of the University of Washington, and published in the online journal Population Health Metrics.

    The lowest life expectancies are in counties in Appalachia, the deep South, and across northern Texas. This is fundieland. And they are going down.

    Hard to say why. The decrease in life spans often hits women the hardest. Maybe the fundies just beat them too much and some of them die. Or don’t bother to feed them because they are just women.

    Or god hates fundies. This has always seemed likely.

    Or they choke to death on their hate, lies, hypocrisy, and ignorance.

  9. Artor says

    Let’s not forget to average in the infant children that believers let die because god was supposed to heal them.
    I’m pretty sure that “Keith” is a Poe. His tweets contain way too much correct spelling & not nearly enough ALL CAPS to be a real fundie. I could be wrong though; his ignorance is consistent with state-of-the-art ignorant asshole.

  10. mattmeeks says

    To make things worse, in many of the fundie xian areas, the life span is going down.

    No big mystery there-those areas are also the ones with the highest (and fasted growing) obesity rates, which also comes with increases in heart disease, diabetes, stroke, etc. and they tend to be among the highest in number of smokers per capita, highest percentages of people without health insurance, and just overall low health rankings. It has nothing to do with religion, other than, possibly, a rejection of science, including health science, but I haven’t seen any studies on that.

  11. bahrfeldt says

    The bible says man’s lifetime is 70 years, so any fundie passing his 70th birthday knows he is blaspheming and thus going to hell. But he’s already going to hell for observing the Pope’s Lord’s Day instead of God’s Sabbath, the Pope accepting the change ordered by the Roman emperor Theodosius in exchange for the imperial title Pontifex Maximus, previously held by Caligula and Nero among others.

  12. raven says

    It has nothing to do with religion, other than, possibly, a rejection of science, including health science, but I haven’t seen any studies on that.

    I don’t completely buy that.

    Fundies are dumb and value ignorance. That feeds into everything else.

    It can be hard to untangle cause and effect with just correlations.

    But one thing is crystal clear. Fundies die younger than normal people. Which is the opposite of Keith’s lie.

  13. says

    Raven “Just look at where they live, the south central USA and compare them to where normal people live.”
    I don’t know whether to be amused or appalled.

  14. sisu says

    But Jesus died young, and he was pretty religious. So I guess I don’t understand how to draw conclusions from small samples.

    Exdrone – hilarious!

  15. Phillip IV says

    Fundie: Atheists Die Sooner Than Christians

    And actually, he didn’t even manage to get that point clearly across: the title of his post actually only says that atheists die quicker than Christians – which isn’t actually a bad thing, unless you prefer to die slowly.

  16. harold says

    No big mystery there-those areas are also the ones with the highest (and fasted growing) obesity rates, which also comes with increases in heart disease, diabetes, stroke, etc. and they tend to be among the highest in number of smokers per capita, highest percentages of people without health insurance, and just overall low health rankings. It has nothing to do with religion, other than, possibly, a rejection of science, including health science, but I haven’t seen any studies on that.

    This came up in another forum.

    1) My take is that there is a feedback loop going on. Everything you list above is associated with ignorance, poverty, and lack of social services/strong regulations for the public good/effective law enforcement (as opposed to sadistically punitive after-the-fact prison systems). People who are ignorant and poor in the United States are preyed on by televangelist con men, sociopathic politicians, and predatory businesses; this keeps them poor and ignorant, keeping the cycle going.

    2) Raven raises a valuable point. “Religion” broadly defined, typically meaning active social membership in a liberal mainstream Protestant or Catholic church, or Jewish congregation, has been modestly associated with better health outcomes in the past (I can get citations if requested).

    I believe that this effect is increasingly anachronistic. As recently as my childhood, I was taken to a mainstream, non-traumatizing Protestant church, and attendance of such a church was a marker for social integration. My particular church was rural and austere and had many very poor members, but it was still non-political, positive rather than hateful in message, and a community organizing institution. (I am completely non-religious; I simply realized that I didn’t believe in religion at a fairly early age, even though I was not mistreated or traumatized by it, in my particular case.)

    Since social isolation is strongly associated with a number of physical and mental health issues, and since the old, now-anachronistic model of American religion was a marker for lack of social isolation, attending church used to be modestly associated with better health outcomes.

    I believe that factor is irrelevant in modern populations. I have a brother and several cousins. All of my cousins still live in the rural area I was mainly raised in. The church is still there and my elderly aunt is still active but as far as I know none of my cousins attend church regularly, to put it mildly. My cousins are all men, and it was a tradition for men to not necessarily go to church often in my culture, but I don’t think their wives go either. Some of them probably attend spectacles at Christmas.

    Some religious groups are believed to have good health outcomes for predictable reasons. Mormon areas tend to have better than expected health outcomes. They don’t smoke, drink, or use caffeine, and probably have relatively low use of illegal drugs. Alcohol and caffeine are beneficial to most people, in moderation, but taking smoking, alcoholism, and the like out of a population would be expected to create health benefits, even if the mild benefits of moderate caffeine and moderate ethanol are lost.

    The main point is that, whereas attending church or synagogue used to correlate mildly with better health in the past, that effect seems to be anachronistic, at least in a typical culturally Christian community, in the new era of science-denying, politically aggressive, narcissistic-wish-fulfillment-focused, scandal-and-abuse-plagued post-modern version of Christianity in America.

    While the exact health impact of being a reality-denying right wing authoritarian fanatic is not known, there is no reason to think that doing so has health benefits, and evidence is more suggestive of the opposite conclusion.

  17. says

    I have seen a lot of Keiths posts. He is now trolling Facebook in the Christian For A Moral America (CFAMA) tag. One or two of his followers are still posting on Twitter (or him) but nothing bad yet. Think he is waiting for a few likes before starting to post more rubbish on Facebook. Was not sure if he was for real or not. Can’t believe anyone could be so dumb. His account was supposedly hacked. It may have been if someone became fed up with him.

  18. harold says

    Didn’t Hitchens beat the average for heavy smokers?

    Probably not. It’s hard to completely separate the effects of smoking. Here’s a reference that makes some effort to quantify it http://blisstree.com/live/after-a-lifetime-of-smoking-christopher-hitchens-succumbs-to-esophageal-cancer-799/

    Hitchens’ fatal disorder, esophogeal cancer, is highly associated with the combination of heavy drinking and heavy smoking.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esophageal_carcinoma#Increased_risk

  19. matty1 says

    Jesus died when he was what, 30? 33? Does that make him a SuperAtheist™?

    I was trying to think of positives about turning 34 and this has to top the list. I beat Jebus!

  20. MikeMa says

    My grandmother died at 104. She never mentioned god once in all the 50+ years I knew her. Data is whatever you want it to be I guess.

  21. anteprepro says

    The average white male American life expectancy when George Carlin was born was 62 from birth, and a death age of around 66 for those already at age 10. When he was age 10 himself, the average further life expectancy was around 58 more years, to an age of 68. His life span of 71 years only fell behind the curve of average life expectancy, at birth and for his age group, by around 1980. (Of course, it is stupid to compare his life expectancy to those who are just being born when he is already 40-something. And it is also mildly stupid to look so sternly at life expectancy of progressively old age groups, since there becomes progressively fewer survivors and yet life expectancy for the group as a whole will be non-zero as long as there are still people alive in that age group, meaning that this metric will guarantee falling short of the average at one point unless you are the oldest person in the country upon death.) One of the only two examples he could be arsed to give isn’t even a good example.

    On that note, he also cherry picks like mad: Antony Flew lived to 87, Paul Kurtz is alive at 83, Ayn Rand lived to 77 despite being born when female life expectancy was about 10 years less than that, Madalyn Murray O-Hair died at 76 in 1995, when life expectancy was 73.

    What a complete and utter failure.

  22. naturalcynic says

    But Jesus died young, and he was pretty religious. So I guess I don’t understand how to draw conclusions from small samples.

    &

    Jesus died when he was what, 30? 33? Does that make him a SuperAtheist™?

    Uh, actually , no. Jesus lived a normal life-span for people of his time. Life expectancy at the time wasn’t much more than 30.

  23. fredbloggs says

    Hmm. Now I’m thinking religions of all kinds are strongest in countries that are poorer (or in the poorer regions of rich countries) I wouldn’t be surprised to find this bollocks “refudiated”.

  24. garnetstar says

    Let us also not forget that Hitch’s father died of esophogeal cancer as well. So, I guess that if you have any kind of genetic predisposition for a disease, you must be an atheist.

    James Randi is 83. My dad is 81.

  25. raven says

    pandasthumb 2008:

    “keith”:

    JJ, You couldn’t humiliate a braindead collie dog, let alone Dembski.

    Of course, only evobutts like you could mistake the theatre in the Student Union for a church you moranic little twobit nobody.

    The people who were quite pleased to introduce Dembski were from my circle of friends a PhD. Chemical Engineer and Organic chemist who is tenured faculty and in the audience also a PhD Physics prof of worldwide reputation and a signator to the DI document, I believe.

    The only turdheads I saw at the presentation were your obnoxious, rude, arrogant, undisciplined peers including Phillip Kleppka and his aboriginal loud mouth wife.

    Dembski has no reason to fear combat with intellectual midgets like you and yours, so prominent then and now.

    Think this is the same Keith that used to post on Pharyngula and PT. He is pretty far out there. His forte is wild insults and babbling like a loon.

    He appears to be crazy.

  26. fredbloggs says

    BTW – C’mon peeps – no-one “knows” when jeebus was born – so from Mattthew he was born anytime between 30 and 4 BCE – 4 BCE, but from Luke he was born after 6-7 CE. Thats a pretty big error bar.

  27. anandine says

    bahrfeldt, the bible is talking about lifespan, which is “the average duration of life in animals of the species in average circumstances where special treatment to maintain life is not provided,” whereas life expectancy varies with an individual’s genes, environment, nutrition, luck, year of birth, and other variables.

    The lifespan of any animal with a heart is about a billion to a billion and a quarter heartbeats. The life expectancy is much shorter in animals that we like to eat.

  28. Aquaria says

    My non-believing, snuff-dipping, whiskey-drinking great-grandmother on my grandfather’s side died when she was 99. When she was born, the life expectancy for women was around 42.

    My atheist grandmother died at 91. She did not smoke or drink. When she was born life expectancy for white females was around 51 years old. When she died, she was 6 years past the life expectancy for women of her generation at 80.

    Her mother died at 85. The life expectancy for women when she was born was 41.

    My apatheist mother will be 73 this spring. She’s still hell on wheels, and I can never, ever catch her at home. She’s always out doing things with her brothers or nephews or nieces or son or friends. Her husband died recently, and she was already being asked out by a guy she went to college with. Or she’s shopping. Her weekly shopping sprees would fell an Olympic decathlon athlete.

    I expect her to live until 95 or better.

  29. Larry says

    To paraphrase Mark Twain:

    There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Lies for Jesus.

    I’m pretty sure this one falls into the 3rd category.

  30. daved says

    @29

    Madalyn Murray O-Hair died at 76 in 1995

    Madalyn Murray O’Hair was murdered in 1995. Not fair to compare that to people who died of non-violent causes.

  31. says

    Even if it were true that being religious were correlated with a longer life, that wouldn’t prove the christian god true. It wouldn’t prove any god true. Heck, if an eternal afterlife of bliss is all it’s cracked up to be, it’d be downright mean to make the only people going to heaven, wait longer.

  32. bobcarroll says

    This discussion brought to mind a survey I heard about several years ago, involving comparison of population tooth decay to red-state politics. IIRC, the % of folks in many areas of the U.S. with no remaining teeth corresponded closely with voting records: the redder, the gappier.
    It may not be unrealistic to visualize these fundies, in addition to foaming at the mouth, to be toothless, as well.

  33. says

    Madalyn Murray O’Hair was murdered in 1995. Not fair to compare that to people who died of non-violent causes.

    Well, depends on the point you’re trying to make. She was alive and well up until she was murdered, so if she had been left alone, she could have lived even longer.

  34. anteprepro says

    Madalyn Murray O’Hair was murdered in 1995. Not fair to compare that to people who died of non-violent causes.

    I meant to mention that she was murdered as a kicker. But life expectancy takes into account the probability of death by means other than natural causes. The fact that she didn’t reach the natural end of her life would undercut people using her as an example of atheists dying young. Noting that she is above both the average life expectancy of the time she died and today’s at the time of her murder, however, just makes her use as a counter-example all the more emphatic.

  35. Pinky says

    Did Keith Roberts (@GodsWordIsLaw) ‘borrow’ a picture of Dave Butts, National Prayer Committee Chairman, or are they the same person.

    I report; you decide.

  36. organon says

    May I suggest expanding the discussion to include areas outside the US with exceptionally long lifespan, and yet non-christian? Not that it would be proof of the reverse, but just for fuel.

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