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Dec 23 2011

The Navy’s First Lesbian Kiss

There is a tradition in the U.S. Navy that when a ship returns home, they have a raffle among all the sailors on board to be the first one to kiss their partner when they get off the ship. And on the Oak Hill, the raffle was won by a lesbian soldier — who went and kissed her wife, who is also in the Navy. Here’s the video of a report on it:

As Charles Johnson noted, the bigots at Free Republic pretty much lost their minds over it. A few of the comments:

Awwww….isn’t that just precious?

(sickening sarcasm)

So it begins the total down hill turn for our nation and its military, glad I am out!

I could just vomit.

#1 – Women don’t belong on combatant vessels.
#2 – Queer women don’t belong in the Navy.

*sigh* The world has passed me by.

Yep, it has. Get used to it.

Farm animals can’t be far behind.

Those were women???

By definition they are defective. So, trying to figure out why the do things may be fruitless.

No, they were two fat pigs that no man ever wanted.

Yeah, I’m sure our enemies are REAAAALL scared of our military.

What a joke…

Thank you ASSociated Press~!

We needed to know how special these freaks are, and you reminded us

Ok, well the US military it is no longer.

I’m, just going to go ahead and call it the US fagitary.

Nice going, president Ohomo.

And the FAGGOT LOVING “AP” Make sure to cover these 2 WORTHLESS BITCHES!

Stay classy, Free Republic.

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  1. 1
    fifthdentist

    Yeah, AND I bet they went HOME and HAD SEX with Sheep!! Becaus 0Bummer made Animal SEX totally LEGAL!!!!!

    … Sorry, I got caught up in the thread there for a second.

  2. 2
    DaveL

    Well, it is Free Republic. They pretty much react that way when Obama orders a sandwich with brown mustard.

  3. 3
    Gregory Greenwood

    It’s about time. ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ was nothing more than a homophobe’s charter, and now that it is gone we can begin to see the full spectrum of the humanity of the people who make up the armed forces of the US.

    As for the comments by the rightwing bigots on Free Republic, well I suppose we cannot expect any better from them. Still, the thought that they are crying into their (doubtless oh-so manly) drinks about the supposed downfall of the US military being brought about by a rather sweet same gender kiss amuses me no end.

    Only hate-filled fundies are this scared of simple human intimacy.

  4. 4
    steveupperman

    I am impressed with the petty officers’ interview. I hope they make the Navy a career.

  5. 5
    imrryr

    Those were women???

    No, they were two fat pigs that no man ever wanted.

    You can bet that if either of those two women were Republican presidential candidates, the freepers would be going on and on about how hot they were.

    I could just vomit.

    #1 – Women don’t belong on combatant vessels.
    #2 – Queer women don’t belong in the Navy.

    *sigh* The world has passed me by.

    If, as this fellow says, the world has truly passed him by, then all I can say is thank fucking god for that.

    I wish those two women all the happiness in the world. The hate directed at them by the folks over at “Free Republic” is truly sickening.

  6. 6
    noastronomer

    “The world has passed me by.”

    Bye.

    “Those were women???”

    Yes they were, and they’re both quite attractive too.

    And they’ve probably already accomplished more in their lives than you ever will.

  7. 7
    ebotebo

    Ain’t nothing better after a 6 month “WesPac” cruise to give the person you love the most a nice kiss!! And that’s not only the way it is, but the way it should be!!!

  8. 8
    fifthdentist

    The freepers are commenting on the looks of the women? They’re actually cute. The Navy women, not the freepers.
    I’m sure the freeper dudes who spend their time in basements fondling their, um, 40-calibers all date perfect “10s.”
    … Ten years past their prime, 10 pounds heavier than the obesity standard — for an African elephant — and 10 times crazier than a Chihuahua/pit bull mix dog.

  9. 9
    regexp

    This can’t be right. What I learned from the wingnuts is that there is no such thing as gay women. Only gay men. Really hot sweaty gay men.

  10. 10
    acroyear

    I’ve been waiting for somebody to finally attribute the bombs in Bagdad this week as being the direct result of God’s punishment for this photo/video. My bet was 3 days. I might not win. Maybe I should have waited for the holiday to pass (they’re still in full-on war on christmas mode).

  11. 11
    jufulu

    What I love about it is how cool the ship’s command, the crew and the bystanders were with it. Time are changing for the better.

  12. 12
    Reginald Selkirk

    Yeah, I’m sure our enemies are REAAAALL scared of our military.

    Apparently you are, homophobe.

  13. 13
    Reginald Selkirk

    jufulu: What I love about it is how cool the ship’s command, the crew and the bystanders were with it.

    I’m guessing the raffle may have been rigged. ;>

  14. 14
    grendelsfather

    My guess is that this is not even close to being the “Navy’s first lesbian kiss”, merely the Navy’s first lesbian first kiss. [/pedant mode]

    Those freeper reactions were over the top and kind of amusing because they were so predictable, but I’ll bet we will all need bigger bags of popcorn whenever a picture is published of a First Kiss between two men.

  15. 15
    Aquaria

    As for the comments by the rightwing bigots on Free Republic, well I suppose we cannot expect any better from them. Still, the thought that they are crying into their (doubtless oh-so manly) drinks about the supposed downfall of the US military being brought about by a rather sweet same gender kiss amuses me no end.

    If enough gays and lesbians make their presence known in the military, maybe it will get the conservatards to quit dry-humping everything military for a while.

  16. 16
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    I’m sure the freeper dudes who spend their time in basements fondling their, um, 40-calibers all date perfect “10s.”
    … Ten years past their prime, 10 pounds heavier than the obesity standard — for an African elephant — and 10 times crazier than a Chihuahua/pit bull mix dog.

    This isn’t a huge improvement over their comments, frankly.

  17. 17
    Aquaria

    Yeah, but his comment is closer to reality.

  18. 18
    doktorzoom

    What, no overt death threats from the “patriots”?

    Progress!

  19. 19
    jufulu

    Reginald Selkirk @12: That thought had crossed my mind as well.

  20. 20
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    Yeah, but his comment is closer to reality.

    Unlikely. Why is contemptuously dehumanizing a subset of women who don’t match particular societal expectations more acceptable than, well, contemptuously dehumanizing a subset of women who don’t match different particular societal expectations?

  21. 21
    Gregory Greenwood

    Aquaria @ 15;

    If enough gays and lesbians make their presence known in the military, maybe it will get the conservatards to quit dry-humping everything military for a while.

    Just imagine how much the absence of gun-porn would damage what I will generously term their ‘sex lives’…

    Idiots like those on Free Republic really repulse me. They go on and on about how ‘teh ebil libruls’ do not appreciate the sacrifice of America’s ‘men under arms*’, but then casually dismiss the equal risks taken by the LGBT soldiers in defence of those self same freedoms.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is wingnut…

    —————————————————————-

    * ‘Men’, notice. Not ‘men and women’ or simply ‘people’. And when they say ‘men’, they have a very specific mental image of Square-Jawed All American Heroes(TM). Quite possibly hot, sweaty, oiled up Square-Jawed All American Heroes(TM) in arseless chaps, at least when no one else is around, but let’s not go into that right now…

  22. 22
    Gregory Greenwood

    Azkyroth @ 20;

    Why is contemptuously dehumanizing a subset of women who don’t match particular societal expectations more acceptable than, well, contemptuously dehumanizing a subset of women who don’t match different particular societal expectations?

    I can’t be absolutely sure, but I think that the portion of fifthdentist’s post that reads;

    … Ten years past their prime, 10 pounds heavier than the obesity standard — for an African elephant — and 10 times crazier than a Chihuahua/pit bull mix dog.

    Is intended to be a description of the ‘doodz’ who post on Free Republic, not their (I think the implication here may be imaginary) girlfriends. I think he intended to mock the criticism of the physical appearance of the women in the video by men who – at least according to common internet tropes – are unlikely to exactly be the envy of Adonis themselves…

    Indeed, they may even have the misfortune to resemble the pasty corpulance of yours truly, though I like to think that I do not ooze the same level of homophobic misogyny as they do…

  23. 23
    Gregory Greenwood

    Just an update to my last post – I unintentionally assumed the gender of fifthdentist as being male. Of course, I do not know whether xe is male or female.

    Apologies.

  24. 24
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    I can’t be absolutely sure, but I think that the portion of fifthdentist’s post that reads;

    … Ten years past their prime, 10 pounds heavier than the obesity standard — for an African elephant — and 10 times crazier than a Chihuahua/pit bull mix dog.

    Is intended to be a description of the ‘doodz’ who post on Free Republic, not their (I think the implication here may be imaginary) girlfriends. I think he intended to mock the criticism of the physical appearance of the women in the video by men who – at least according to common internet tropes – are unlikely to exactly be the envy of Adonis themselves…

    Why would you think that? It was immediately preceded by

    I’m sure the freeper dudes who spend their time in basements fondling their, um, 40-calibers all date perfect “10s.”

    “Date.” Not “are.”

  25. 25
    Nentuaby

    @fifthdentist, “fighting fire with fire” does not work with revolting sexism. Stop that.

    On the main topic… I love that photograph. I believe it’s literally one for the history books– twenty years from now that snapshot will be next to the section (I’m guessing about two paragraphs) on the DADT Wars in American History texts. It helps that Navy dress uniform is so damn snappy. :)

  26. 26
    Gregory Greenwood

    Azkyroth @ 24;

    Why would you think that? It was immediately preceded by

    I’m sure the freeper dudes who spend their time in basements fondling their, um, 40-calibers all date perfect “10s.”

    “Date.” Not “are.”

    I see your point. The construction does seem to indicate that xe is describing hypothetical women. If so, then there really is no excuse for misogynist behaviour like that, and it is doubly ironic that this misogyny was deployed as a resposne to the misogyny and homophobia on Free Republic. I was just giving fifthdentist the benefit of the doubt – three posts and all that. It is very possible that I am wrong.

  27. 27
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    I see your point. The construction does seem to indicate that xe is describing hypothetical women. If so, then there really is no excuse for misogynist behaviour like that, and it is doubly ironic that this misogyny was deployed as a resposne to the misogyny and homophobia on Free Republic. I was just giving fifthdentist the benefit of the doubt – three posts and all that. It is very possible that I am wrong.

    The construction can be read no other way without absolutely torturing the grammar or positing omitted words where there is no evidence of such. There is no doubt to benefit from.

  28. 28
    Michael Brew

    Those were women???

    No, they were two fat pigs that no man ever wanted.

    I’d say these comments are very telling about these guys’ own deeply closeted sexual orientations, but even then they’d have to be blind to say something like that.

  29. 29
    raven42

    No one thinks less of the troops than conservative homophobes. We’re in an era of troop worship, and yet they who claim to love the troops more than anyone else seem to think that the mere presence of openly gay soldiers, something many of our allies have weathered just fine, will bring this organization they so venerate crashing down. They think our troops are too pathetically unprofessional to maintain unit cohesion when there’s a gay guy with them. I happen to think our soldiers are good enough to handle having a gay guy around at least as well as the average fry cook, to say nothing of the other militaries around the world that have done the same thing with no problems at all.

  30. 30
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    …seriously. If it was a slur against any other group but women would you have to be dragged kicking and screaming into admitting that it was, in fact, what the only interpretation possible under the standard rules of English grammar consisted of?

  31. 31
    lofgren

    Ok, well the US military it is no longer.

    The most expensive military the world has ever seen, brought low by two chicks kissing on a pier. One wonders why we even bother with all those hundreds of millions of dollars worth of jets when they can be destroyed from afar by lesbians making out in public. It’s a good thing neither of these women used tongue, or the Pentagon would have spontaneously burst into flames.

  32. 32
    Aquaria

    I read it as fifth dentist talking about the freeper dudes, since I know a bunch of morons who actually think it’s cool to be commenters at free republic.

  33. 33
    Gregory Greenwood

    Azkyroth @ 27;

    The construction can be read no other way without absolutely torturing the grammar or positing omitted words where there is no evidence of such. There is no doubt to benefit from.

    and @ 30;

    …seriously. If it was a slur against any other group but women would you have to be dragged kicking and screaming into admitting that it was, in fact, what the only interpretation possible under the standard rules of English grammar consisted of?

    I was wrong about this. For some reason I read;

    I’m sure the freeper dudes who spend their time in basements fondling their, um, 40-calibers all date perfect “10s.”
    … Ten years past their prime, 10 pounds heavier than the obesity standard — for an African elephant — and 10 times crazier than a Chihuahua/pit bull mix dog.

    as possibly meaning something along the lines of;

    I’m sure the freeper dudes who spend their time in basements fondling their, um, 40-calibers all date perfect “10s.”

    Guys who probably are ten years past their prime, 10 pounds heavier than the obesity standard — for an African elephant — and 10 times crazier than a Chihuahua/pit bull mix dog are in no position to point fingers.

    I got the wrong end of the stick here, as I have already acknowledged. That said, your implication that I am for some reason resisting the idea that this was an insult purely because the targets happen to be women is something of a stretch. I made a mistake, it happens. It was not my intent to excuse misogyny, but if that was the effect of my words then I apologise.

    Of course, phrases like ‘perfect 10s’ are misogynist in their own right, so that should have tipped me off in and of itself.

    Chalk one up to my lack of attentiveness.

  34. 34
    Aquaria

    The construction can be read no other way without absolutely torturing the grammar or positing omitted words where there is no evidence of such. There is no doubt to benefit from.

    Oh good grief…

    It could easily be read either way, without torturing the grammar to read it that way. The ellipses could be a reference back to the subject of the sentence (the men), since the subordinate clause containing the stuff about women is clearly at an end.

  35. 35
    Aquaria

    Of course, phrases like ‘perfect 10s’ are misogynist in their own right, so that should have tipped me off in and of itself.

    I think in the context of sarcasm about the guys who think they’re the kind who can or will get women who wouldn’t give them the time of day, use of the phrase can work. I’ve used it about geeky guys who talk about ugly chicks, while not being Calvin Klein models themselves.

  36. 36
    Weed(less) Monkey

    I had to read it a few times to figure it out, but then I noticed the 10s: 10 years, 10 pounds, 10 times…

  37. 37
    Gregory Greenwood

    Aquaria @~ 35;

    I think in the context of sarcasm about the guys who think they’re the kind who can or will get women who wouldn’t give them the time of day, use of the phrase can work. I’ve used it about geeky guys who talk about ugly chicks, while not being Calvin Klein models themselves.

    My problem is that when I hear a phrase like ‘perfect 10′ it puts me in mind of the kind of men I have encountered that use that phrase without irony – sleazy bar-fly types who seem to operate a perverse system for ‘rating’ women based on secondary sexual characteristics and arbitrary standards of ideal proportion.
    As a result, the phrase has such nasty associations for me that no amount of scrubbing can get the smell out…

    That said, I should be careful to always view the phrase in context, lest I wind up suffering from a bad case of irony deficiency.

  38. 38
    tacitus

    @28:
    I’d say these comments are very telling about these guys’ own deeply closeted sexual orientations, but even then they’d have to be blind to say something like that.

    The comments about the ugliness of the women are the result of someone posting a photo of two fat gay guys kissing at their wedding in the comment thread. No one has ever accused Freepers of being particularly bright.

    Those who have seen the real photos suspect that they were chosen for the “first kiss” because they were both photogenic, and one of them was all set to complain to officials about it (something to do with DOMA, not that that makes any sense) until he found out that the women had simply won the raffle used to select the couple for the first kiss.

  39. 39
    LightningRose

    psst, Ed.
    …the raffle was won by a lesbian soldier sailor…

    And all I can say to the happy couple is, go you two! :)

  40. 40
    Ed Brayton

    Yes, the freepers are wrong to call those women ugly and fat; they are neither, of course. But it would be no better if they didn’t meet societal, or our personal, standards of beauty. It shouldn’t even be worth mentioning in this context. The problem is that they even care what those women look like and think that however they look would be a reason to demean them or deny them equal rights. There’s no reason we should indulge in the same kinds of comments.

  41. 41
    llewelly

    This kiss was so powerful it went back in time and caused Newt to have multiple heterosexual affairs.

  42. 42
    ArtK

    #1 – Women don’t belong on combatant vessels.
    #2 – Queer women don’t belong in the Navy.

    Written by someone who is likely doing his patriotic duty by staying home and bravely* vigilant lest the N****r In Chief tries to give him universal health care again.

    Also written by someone who would likely wet himself in combat.

    Way to support the troops, dude. </sarcasm>

    In all seriousness, lots of congratulations all around. To the sailors for serving, to their officers and crew mates for supporting. My father and grandfather served in the Navy across two world wars and I’m proud of their service. This kiss made me just a bit more proud.

    * Brave, much like Sir Robin.

  43. 43
    ehmm

    Yeah, I’m sure our enemies are REAAAALL scared of our military.

    Oh, yeah! A heterosexual couple winning the Navy’s smoochy lottery would have had this nations enemies positively shitting themselves, I’m sure.

    As tragic as it is that this is not a parody, I have to admit I got a reflexive laugh out of “President Ohomo”. Assonance, you see?

    I long to see how the GOP presidential hopefuls and Fox news pundits react to this in the coming days. I’m sure Bachmann with be shocked. Shocked! I tell you.

    Classy indeed.

  44. 44
    neonsequitur

    Ed, did you have to sift through 5000 freeper posts to find a handful with spelling that good, or has Free Republic gotten a spell-checker since my first, last and only visit there?

    I’m fairly impressed; at least a few of them have learned to spell (or use a checker), even if they’re still complete ass-hats.

  45. 45
    Marcus Ranum

    Gregory Greenwood writes:
    Just imagine how much the absence of gun-porn would damage what I will generously term their ‘sex lives’…

    I think you should probably stay away from complaining about other people stereotyping, if you’re going to stereotype so energetically yourself.

  46. 46
    WMDKitty -- Survivor

    D’AAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! *sniffle*

    That’s a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming if I ever saw one!

  47. 47
    WMDKitty -- Survivor

    As for the debate over the women’s looks, hey, to each their own. I, for one, find them to be aesthetically pleasing. YMMV.

  48. 48
    observer

    Am I wrong in thinking that lgf used to be a nest of whackjobs. If i’m not then when did this change?

  49. 49
    magistramarla

    I was so happy for these two ladies when I saw this picture, I cried. I’m a military wife, and during my husband’s 30+ years of service, we’ve known several lesbian and gay couples, with one or both serving in the military. I’m glad to see our friends gaining some equality. However, the military still has a long way to go. I would love to see the day when my LGBT friends in the military have the same benefits that we enjoy – medical benefits for spouses, commissary privileges and on-base housing, to name a few.

  50. 50
    ehmm

    Hear, hear.

  51. 51
    helenaconstantine

    Half the wingnut responsa claimed the women were fat, unattractive and had butch haircuts. They really are completely incapable of perceiving what is right in front of them.

  52. 52
    briandavis

    What, no overt death threats from the “patriots”?

    That would have been inappropriate. Gay men get beaten to death. Lesbians get raped.

  53. 53
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    I got the wrong end of the stick here, as I have already acknowledged. That said, your implication that I am for some reason resisting the idea that this was an insult purely because the targets happen to be women is something of a stretch. I made a mistake, it happens. It was not my intent to excuse misogyny, but if that was the effect of my words then I apologise.

    I wouldn’t say it’s a stretch so much as a pattern-matching error: anomalous reluctance to acknowledge misogyny as such is something I’ve encountered and observed others encountering and found to be highly damaging.

    Otherwise, thank you.

  54. 54
    Francisco Bacopa

    My gay great uncle served in the north Atlantic as commander of a minesweeper in WWII. Got a purple heart for having an eardrum blown out while trying to capture a new type of mine.

    They din’t mind queers in the navy back in WWII when the chips were really down.

  55. 55
    dan4

    I’m just surprised that the military has such a cornball raffle in the first place.

  56. 56
    Gregory Greenwood

    Marcus Ranum @ 45;

    I think you should probably stay away from complaining about other people stereotyping, if you’re going to stereotype so energetically yourself.

    Fair enough.

    —————————————————————-

    Azkyroth @ 53;

    I wouldn’t say it’s a stretch so much as a pattern-matching error: anomalous reluctance to acknowledge misogyny as such is something I’ve encountered and observed others encountering and found to be highly damaging.

    Gah! I didn’t come across as one of those posters, did I?

    I have to work harder on my snark-foo…

    Suffice to say that the last thing I intended was to try to deny or minimise the toxicity of misogyny.

  57. 57
    democommie

    First of all. fifthdentist is teh EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEvul; we need to kill him, stat! Nobody else ever says hateful shit about other people in the context of mockery of some other third party or their positions–well, I know for sure that I NEVER have!!

    “Yeah, I’m sure our enemies are REAAAALL scared of our military.”

    Ummmm, Mr. anachehpalic freeperdoood; them guys that are over there in whatever countries we’re currently fucking with? They don’t know if the Hellfire that’s heading at them is teh GAY.

  58. 58
    Chris from Europe

    I actually think that one can’t read fifthdentist’s post and conclude that it refers to the girlfriends.

    I’m sure the freeper dudes who spend their time in basements fondling their, um, 40-calibers all date perfect “10s.”

    As I see it, fifthdentist is making a joke about them using some of the expected language. It should be noted that there are scare quote around “10s.”

    … Ten years past their prime, 10 pounds heavier than the obesity standard — for an African elephant — and 10 times crazier than a Chihuahua/pit bull mix dog.

    This clearly continues the description of the freeper. I would classify the claims about the reference being to the date as intentional misreading.

  59. 59
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    I actually think that one can’t read fifthdentist’s post and conclude that it refers to the girlfriends.

    The post sarcastically stated that the freepers date perfect “tens.” Rephrasable to “perfect ‘tens’ are the people the freepers date.” Then went on to explain what the author meant by perfect tens. In a disgustingly misogynist way. “Date” was the verb in the sentence, “freepers” was the subject, and the object, the people whom the subject dated, was implied.

    Frankly, either English is not even your eighth language or you’re dumber than two bags of bricks.

  60. 60
    Ace of Sevens

    I read it as referring to freepers.

  61. 61
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    I read it as referring to freepers.

    Reread it.

  62. 62
    Chris from Europe

    Reread it.

    Done. It clearly refers to the freepers, the description simply continues. It’s a sarcastic remark why it’s so likely for them to have dates they would rate perfect. There’s nothing indicating otherwise. Your reading is very awkward and you shouldn’t make such attacks based on an extremely unlikely reading while pretending it’s the only way to read it.

  63. 63
    sonderval

    I think the statement is quite clear:
    “I’m sure the freeper dudes who spend their time in basements fondling their, um, 40-calibers all date perfect “10s.””

    These freeper dudes playing with their calibers surely refers to them – ahem – performing certain acts on themselves, implying that they are their own dates.

  64. 64
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    There’s nothing indicating otherwise.

    The “perfect ’10′” is applied to the people they date.

    What the hell is wrong with you?

  65. 65
    Chris from Europe

    Yes, but not the following. It clearly continues referencing the freepers.

  66. 66
    TCC

    Azkyroth is absolutely right that “perfect ’10s’” refers not to the freepers but to people who would date them (or conversely, people who the freepers would be able to “land”). Removing the restrictive adjective clause “who spend their time in basements fondling their…40-calibers” (which does refer to “freeper dudes”), you get

    I’m sure the freeper dudes all date perfect “10s.”… Ten years past their prime, 10 pounds heavier than the obesity standard — for an African elephant — and 10 times crazier than a Chihuahua/pit bull mix dog.

    which makes all of the “ten”s refer to the same group (people who would date freepers). If fifthdentist meant this final section to refer instead to the freepers, then the wording should have been clearer.

    And frankly, as a English/reading teacher, I’m as amazed as Azkyroth is that this discussion is even occurring. It is a severe lapse in reading comprehension to even pretend that fifthdentist meant anything otherwise – well, that or an attempt to explain away the obvious misogyny simply because the target of the insult was “freeper dudes.” I don’t buy it for a second.

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