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Freshwater Continues to Lie

For a guy who holds himself out as a paragon of Christian virtue, John Freshwater sure does lie a lot — and so do his supporters. They continually claim that the whole reason he was fired was because he had a Bible on his desk. Here he is on David Barton’s radio show telling that lie yet again:

Freshwater: When the 2007/2008 school year came along, there was a new principal, a new Superintendent, and three new school board members and what took place that year was they wanted me to removed my Bible from my desk. And I felt I have academic freedoms and I thought I had the right to have my Bible on my desk, so I left it on my desk in 2007/2008 school year and they told me to remove it and that was when they suspended me – April 16, 2008 – they suspended me without pay and I’ve been in litigation since then, the last four years.

Now, it’s true that the school was wrong to order him to take the Bible off his desk. That is legally allowed. But that was one small part of a much larger set of instructions to remove things from his classroom, like a box full of Bibles he handed out to students and posters that endorsed Christianity, and handouts from creationist groups telling lies about evolution. And he also leaves out the fact that he burned a freaking cross into a kid’s arm, misusing professional equipment to inflict an injury on a student for crying out loud — and it wasn’t an accident, he did it intentionally. That’s enough to get you fired in any situation.

But they take the one thing on a long list of clear violations of school policy and court rulings that actually was wrong and pretend it was all about that. Absolutely dishonest.

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  1. alanb says

    Is he lying, or has he convinced himself of the truth of his delusions? One shouldn’t underestimate the ability of narcissists to distort their own reality.

  2. Michael Heath says

    Ed writes:

    For a guy who holds himself out as a paragon of Christian virtue, John Freshwater sure does lie a lot — and so do his supporters.

    I’m not sure Christians who are politically conservative even attempt to defend the position they’re honest anymore. Instead they seem very comfortable with their behavior which has them continuously lying, particularly when its done on behalf of their religion or their political agenda.

    When I’ve seen them confronted with their serial and constant dishonesty on specific lies, the reaction I’ve mostly encountered was their making the case that truth is relative based on one’s worldview. [Which of course contradicts other beliefs they hold where they assert their truth is objectively true. No one ever made a compelling case they were rational.]

  3. D. C. Sessions says

    For a guy who holds himself out as a paragon of Christian virtue, John Freshwater sure does lie a lot

    You’re repeating yourself.

  4. Artor says

    Yet again, the irony meters fail to capture the magnitude of Xtian bullshit. I’ve been hearing alot about the doctrine of Taqiyya, which allows Muslims to lie to conceal their faith when the truth could get them killed. “It’s horrible & eevil!” scream the Xtians, “look at how untrustworthy those Mooslems are!”

    Yet the Xtians, in their own land of privilege, freely lie like rugs, not to save their lives, but to pretend that they’re persecuted. Show me an honest Xtian, and I’ll show you someone who would barely be considered a True Xtian ™ by these fanatical nutjobs.

  5. raven says

    Freshwater paid a high price for his auto-martyrdom.

    After pursuing endless legal appeals with no chance of winning, he was forced to sell his house.

    Oddly enough, his co-religionists have failed to bail him out financially. They like martyrs, and of course, the best martys are…someone else.

  6. Jim says

    My mom considers herself a christian. She is a sweet, pretty woman who believes nice people go to heaven. She rarely talks about religion and still accepts evolution and the rest of the sciences. She can’t believe how many christians have been brainwashed by the republican party and she abhors theocratic christians.

    Her kind of low key 50s chritianity I respect.

    But when I think of evangelicals or fundamentalists, the word that comes to mind is liar, shameless self serving liar.

  7. says

    “Show me an honest Xtian, and I’ll show you someone who would barely be considered a True Xtian ™ by these fanatical nutjobs.”

    Jimmy Carter. Carter has consistently pushed a message of peace. My fundie brother says Carter is not a “Real Christian.”

    “What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church … a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.”
    -Martin Luther

  8. Pieter B says

    Michael Heath:

    When I’ve seen them confronted with their serial and constant dishonesty on specific lies, the reaction I’ve mostly encountered was their making the case that truth is relative based on one’s worldview.

    Which is why I propose calling them “postmodern conservatives.”

  9. rbh3 says

    I’ve given that program one listen and there are several other whoppers in it that I plan to write up for Panda’s Thumb this week.

    alanb asked

    Is he lying, or has he convinced himself of the truth of his delusions?

    I’ve watched him for eight years now, since he proposed adding the Intelligent Design Network’s Objective Origins Policy to the science curriculum in 2003, and as far as I can tell he actually believes the falsehoods he utters. Whether he ever believed them is uncertain; my tendency is to think he did.

  10. raven says

    and as far as I can tell he actually believes the falsehoods he utters.

    That means he is delusional instead of lying.

    Not sure that is an improvement or not. Someone delusional really shouldn’t be teaching our kids.

  11. Sastra says

    Watch. After first stripping the story of details, the tale will continue to improve as new elements gradually creep into the narrative.

    The school authorities also complained about the Bible in his home. And then they told him that they’d heard he had been going to church and they didn’t like that either. It all eventually culminates in an official demand that he remove Jesus from his heart — and that was what got him suspended. Plus, there was that incident with the chalk, which fell and broke when he prayed that it wouldn’t hit the ground and the atheist Superintendent ran out of the schoolhouse crying and the students all stayed in wonder to hear the Good News.

    By 2020 the Freshwater incident will evolve into the school board forcibly holding Freshwater down on a black altar while they try to burn an upside-down cross into his arm — and instead he develops stigmata.

  12. raven says

    Watch. After first stripping the story of details, the tale will continue to improve as new elements gradually creep into the narrative.

    You left out the missing students that were found, completely drained of blood.

    And the demon faces seen in the dark fog hovering over the school.

  13. dan4 says

    We’re talking about Freshwater’s work desk ONLY, not his own personal property; therefore, it was perfectly legitimate for school officials to ask him to not keep any non-work related materials on his desk (i.e, in this specific case, the Bible) when his class was in session.

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