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Oct 21 2011

Cain: No Exception for Rape and Incest

Herman Cain said on Sunday that he would force a woman who was raped, even by a relative, to bear the child of her rapist. And listen to the idiotic argument he makes for it:

“I do not agree with abortion under any circumstance,” he insisted.

“Exceptions for rape and incest?” Gregory asked.

“Not for rape and incest,” Cain replied. “Because if you look at rape and incest, the percentage of those instances is so miniscule that there are other options.”

What does the percentage of those instances have to do with whether there are options? If it’s 1% of abortions, there are options but if it’s 10% there aren’t options? If there are options that are preferable, it makes no difference what percentage of abortions are of that type.

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    dochopper

    I have heard the same from a quite a few folks . The folks who I hear saying this do not give off the vibe of being the WIDE EYED LOONS . It is spooky because it is a matter of fact idea for them.

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    robertfaber

    I don’t know what Cain’s position is. Neither does he. Seems to me he outed himself as a closet libertarian (their platform provides for abortion on demand). No surprise, given his Koch brother connections. But this other (Piers Morgan) interview won’t play well with the rabid right base:

    “No, it comes down to is, it’s not the government’s role — or anybody else’s role — to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number (abortion because of rape – LHW). So what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t try to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive decision.”

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    dogmeat

    Ed, the reason why the percentage is so important is because it is inflicted upon the percentage of the population that don’t get to make choices according to autocrats, who are appealing to theocrats, like Cain. If the percentage of those who are the victims of rape and incest were pregnant men, I’m fairly certain he would feel differently about the issue.

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    Mobius

    Once again Herman Cain doesn’t have any evidence, but…

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    DaveL

    You misunderstand, Ed. It’s not options for pregnant women he’s talking about. It’s options for policymakers. If the situation is rare enough it becomes politically feasible to just pretend the problem doesn’t exist.

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    reverendrodney

    A few questions, Herman:
    What is it about being born that changes a life from precious to worthless?
    What gives you the right to have people killed (on your electric fence) because they want jobs?
    What ARE the options for that ‘miniscule’ percentage of women who are victims of incest? Well? What are they? Speak up!

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    julietdefarge

    This is not our first indication that Mr. Cain has problems with math. I think we’ll eventually learn that he did not do any of the financial management for his pizza company, or that his books were ‘cooked.’

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    lofgren

    What does the percentage of those instances have to do with whether there are options? If it’s 1% of abortions, there are options but if it’s 10% there aren’t options? If there are options that are preferable, it makes no difference what percentage of abortions are of that type.

    Not to defend Cain too vociferously, but of course the frequency of a phenomenon affects the appropriate social policy. For example, Cain might be saying that because the incidence of pregnancy as a result of rape or incest is low enough that the adoption system can handle their children. I’m not saying “Just have the baby and give it up for adoption” isn’t a callous or cavalier response to such an unfortunate situation, I’m just saying that it’s not unreasonable to support one social policy in response to a problem with a 1% occurrence and a different response if that same problem had a 25% occurrence.

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    bigjohn756

    It won’t be long before these nuts insist that a raped woman must marry her rapist. After all, it says so in the Bible doesn’t it?

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    Jordan Genso

    For someone that believes abortion is murder, isn’t the “no exception” position the most logical option for them?

    I don’t understand the anti-abortion individuals who are willing to make exceptions in cases of rape or incest. They are stating that if a zygote is aborted, it is murder. But if that zygote was created through the process of rape or incest, then it is totally permissable to murder it?

    So for the person to know whether or not it is fine to murder an individual embryo, they have to know the circumstances of that embryo’s conception. That just boggles my mind. If they see no difference between a 2 year old and a fetus, then could you murder that 2 year old if you found out s/he was conceived through rape?

    I don’t think there is any rationale behind it*, but I think the anti-abortion advocates take that position solely because they realize how turned off the public is by the “no exception” position.

    *unless their reasoning is not focused on saving the zygote/embryo/fetus, but instead on trying to “punish” the mother for having sex without wanting to become pregnant.

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    mikeym

    bigjohn756 says:
    October 21, 2011 at 11:00 am
    It won’t be long before these nuts insist that a raped woman must marry her rapist. After all, it says so in the Bible doesn’t it?

    What if it’s gang rape? The Bible condones polygamy, but I’m not sure what it says about polyandry.

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    bullet

    Cain’s argument is ridiculous, but his position has to be consistent. Anyone who claims to be “pro-life” must reject any exceptions for rape. A human life is a human life, regardless of the circumstances of its origin. I point this out to people again and again, making them very uncomfortable with the idea that anyone who does wish to make an exception for rape is not really interested in saving lives but punishing sinners. Then I bring up the death penalty. Another good one: “Should abortion ever be illegal, what do you think the penalty should be for a woman who has one?” It’s amazing how many “pro-life”ers there are who haven’t thought about these things.

    I’m sure all of this has been said here before, but it bears repeating as much as possible.

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    scienceavenger

    DaveL wins the net. Either that or Cain is Sarah Palin with a wicked tan, spewing out words (ie “regression analysis”) and phrases he doesn’t understand so as to appear knowledgeable to people who aren’t.

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    lofgren

    Then I bring up the death penalty. Another good one: “Should abortion ever be illegal, what do you think the penalty should be for a woman who has one?”

    Well I would hope they would be smart enough to respond that the woman should not be punished, but the person who administered the abortion should. That’s not so different from common stances on drugs (users should not be punished, traffickers should) or prostitution (workers should not be punished, johns and pimps should). It’s also one of the reasons that doctors were in favor of legalization for abortion. They felt it was wrong to be put in a position where they could perform an operation that a patient wants, that is ultimately safer for the patient than the alternative, and yet have the risk of being punished by the law.

    I guarantee the fact that such an approach does not outlaw all abortions, just safe abortions, would leave most of these people completely untroubled.

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    bigjohn756

    @mikeym
    What if it’s gang rape? The Bible condones polygamy, but I’m not sure what it says about polyandry.

    The more the merrier!

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