Right Wing Watch has an interesting post about members of the New Apostolic Reformation telling their followers to stop talking about taking dominion and to hide their agenda when speaking to anyone other than their own people.
Os Hillman, the man behind the Reclaiming The Seven Mountain website, has recently suggested that activists should stop using the word “dominion” and instead use the word “influence” because “dominion” make the “secular media [think] that Christians want to rule the world.”
On his website, Hillman posts pieces written by Johnny Enlow, author of “The Seven Mountain Prophecy” which asserts that goal of Christians ought to be to establish a “virtual theocracy” in which government leaders will also be religious leaders so that they can present “the nations of the world to the Lord as His possession” and bring about the return of Christ.
On Hillman’s Seven Mountains website, Enlow says that the best way for Christians to accomplish this goal is through stealth:
“The goal is not just to have Christians in high places, but rather to have Christians who are called to be in high places step into that role. And wearing a ‘Christian’ label on our sleeve isn’t the point. We need to learn to be ‘as wise as serpents and harmless as doves’ and realize that stealth authority and influence are much preferred over overt authority and influence. A low profile diffuses resistance from the opposition.”
And here’s a video of several of the NAR leaders talking about it, with one of them saying that they should only talk about “having dominion over them” when talking to anyone but a fellow traveler.
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fastlane
October 20, 2011 at 1:11 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
We only think they want to rule the world, because that’s what they keep telling everyone.
Wouldn’t want us to actually take them at their word, eh?
I’m curious to know if any of them realize that they are lying. Deep down, I wonder how many, like the School Board in Dover, PA, know and intentionally lie. Or do they only lie because they think it’s for a greater good?? I dunno, crazies..the whole lot of them.
Off topic, Ed: What are your predictions for the Mount Soledad Cross? It looks like it’s finally going to the SCOTUS.
http://www.americanhumanist.org/news/details/2011-10-humanists-applaud-courts-decision-to-not-rehear-mt-s
Pierce R. Butler
October 20, 2011 at 1:22 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
… they should only talk about “having dominion over them” when talking to anyone but a fellow traveler.
I don’t think that phrase says what you intended it to say…
Aquaria
October 20, 2011 at 1:26 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
activists should stop using the word “dominion” and instead use the word “influence” because “dominion” make the “secular media [think] that Christians want to rule the world.”
Newsflash: the genie is out of the bottle, nitwit. Especially given things like:
asserts that goal of Christians ought to be to establish a “virtual theocracy” in which government leaders will also be religious leaders so that they can present “the nations of the world to the Lord as His possession” and bring about the return of Christ.
And this is different from an actual theocracy…how?
The goal is not just to have Christians in high places, but rather to have Christians who are called to be in high places step into that role.
And the difference is…?
And wearing a ‘Christian’ label on our sleeve isn’t the point.
Liar.
We need to learn to be ‘as wise as serpents and harmless as doves’ and realize that stealth authority and influence are much preferred over overt authority and influence.
Read: Nobody wants our disgusting ideas, much less to be ruled by scumbag authoritarian bigots like us–so LIE. LIE SHAMELESSLY. It’s only false witness if the person you lie to is a neighbor, and how can any non-douchebag fundie be that
A low profile diffuses resistance from the opposition.”
I don’t care how much lipstick you idiots try to put on your ugly pig, “By your fruits you shall know them”. Ever hear of that, idiot?
Because your fruit is fetid and poisonous.
DaveL
October 20, 2011 at 1:35 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So they need to become the diametric opposite of the Religious Right? I can’t wait.
d cwilson
October 20, 2011 at 3:16 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Twenty years ago, Pat Buchanan was advising people to be “stealth Christians” when running for their local school boards. It’s how got issues like the Dover School Board pushing
intelligent designcreationism. None of the members of that board ran on a pledge to instituteintelligent designcreationism and every single one was voted out once their true agenda was revealed.This is just taking that same strategy to the national level. The idea is to sneak into power through the back door and then institute theocracy once everyone is in place. Sort of like a fundamentalist Manchurian candidate plan.
Crudely Wrott
October 20, 2011 at 3:17 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Jesus weeps.
but . . .
*this is your brain on visions of Glory — just like Moamarr*
d cwilson
October 20, 2011 at 3:17 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Oops. That was actually Pat Roberton who advised people to be stealth school board candidates. I was getting my crazy Pats confused with the other blog post.
John Hinkle
October 20, 2011 at 3:33 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I figured the guys at the New Apostolic Reformation are way too smart to recklessly lay bare their nefarious agenda, so I ran all this information through my Decoder Ring. I had to run it twice because the first reading was obviously an error.
Nope, no error. They’re morons.
Bronze Dog
October 20, 2011 at 5:12 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
That tiny sliver of optimism that hasn’t quite died yet makes me wonder if they’ve been developing the ability to feel shame for what they’re trying to do. If so, I hope that got started by a quiet majority who managed to create a cultural atmosphere of scorn for religious fanaticism.
More likely, they’re just trying yet again to stealth things like Creationism past the courts, and they’re stupid enough to think they can prevent it from being exposed.
raven
October 20, 2011 at 5:20 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
It won’t work.
Fundies can’t stop babbling about their god and what he is going to do to their enemies, the entire human race minus a few kooks.
The Intelligent Design groups always are supposed to hide their Designer. Who everyone knows is the god/jesus of fundieland rather than Brahma or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
They’ve never been able to do it. If you read their materials, especially when they think nobody is looking, it is straight mindless hate filled fundie god babble. The Intelligent Designer hates the same people they do and wants them to have what they want to have.
raven
October 20, 2011 at 5:25 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
This is stupid.
Jesus is god, the all powerful, omniscient creator of a 13.7 billion year old universe, 6,000 years ago.
He should be able to do anything he wants, any time. Once he got mildly annoyed with his ants, and killed all but 8 people by pouring water over them for a few months.
This is a common fundie characteristic. They claim their god is all powerful but act like it isn’t really there. Why does god need a spaceship? Why does god need humans to carry out his intentions? In the bible, he didn’t have that problem. Is he dead now?
raven
October 20, 2011 at 5:27 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
LOL. Sorry, no. It’s just impossible.
reverendrodney
October 20, 2011 at 6:53 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Say they’re on the right track. Say there is an omniscient power that made the world 6,000 years ago, made people beautiful and naked as himself. Say that Christ will rule the world and that those who bowed will go to heaven. Then what?
I mean, really, then what? According to a reborn Christian that I know, then we get to sit in admiration of this god forever after. Forever and ever after.
That would drive me crazy.
But I digress. Try as they will, dominionists and other fundies will always reveal their intent if you let them talk long enough. I think that’s why they needed a little advice to stick a sock in it. But they’ll blab anyway, which is good.
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