Robert O’Brien Nominee: John Hagee

Another fact-free rant from wingnut pastor John Hagee:

Secular humanism is a pagan god and America is bowing at the shrine. It has filled our drug rehab centers, it has filled the divorce courts, it has filled the shelter for battered wives, it has filled the rape crisis centers, it has filled the mental hospitals and single bars, it has filled the penitentiaries and the roster guests for the brain-dead television shows you see from New York. Think about that, we’re in a moral free fall where your children can be taught witchcraft by Harry Potter; that Heather has two mommies; you can substitute Christmas for a midwinter holiday, call it anything you want to but don’t call it Christmas, kick God out of the Christmas event; you can let your daughter go to school and she can get an abortion without your permission or without your knowledge but she cannot get an aspirin without your knowledge. Something is dreadfully wrong when you as the parent cannot control the destiny of your own child. America has turned its back from the God of the Bible and it is time for the church of Jesus Christ to stand up and speak up and say we have a right to the destiny of our own children!

Yeah, it’s all those secular humanists beating their wives, raping women and committing crime.

24 comments on this post.
  1. Randomfactor:

    And of course things like the divorce rate are highest in US states where secular humanism is LEAST strong…

  2. rabbitscribe:

    “… it has filled the divorce courts…

    “On August 26, 1960, Hagee married his first wife Martha; they had two children, Christopher and Tish… Hagee and Martha divorced in 1975.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

  3. LRA:

    Will somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!!!1!!!11!!!ZOMG!!!eleventy-one!!!!!!1!!!!

  4. DaveL:

    “On August 26, 1960, Hagee married his first wife Martha; they had two children, Christopher and Tish… Hagee and Martha divorced in 1975.”

    Well, Martha was wonnadem secular humanists, dontcha know?

  5. DaveL:

    Something is dreadfully wrong when you as the parent cannot control the destiny of your own child.

    Am I the only one who find that one line particularly creepy?

    Education, yes. Upbringing, sure. But destiny?

  6. Draken:

    Something is dreadfully wrong when you as the parent cannot control the destiny of your own child.

    You’re delusional if you think you can “control” the destiny of your children. You can give them directions, perhaps. But control destiny? Ha.

  7. Michael Heath:

    DaveL:

    Am I the only one who find that one line particularly creepy? [Hagee’s, Something is dreadfully wrong when you as the parent cannot control the destiny of your own child.

    As I’ve repeatedly noted, liberals have yet to learn how to play to win. One would be to do the studies which I think would amply validate that conservative Christians effectively abuse their children given the indoctrination they receive and societal pressure within the faith community to not get a proper education. I find this one of the greatest evils of conservatism which is largely avoided. That form of abuse doesn’t merely harm their children, but also creates a significant voting base which bases their policy prescriptions on a reality which doesn’t exist. We observe the results from such thinking now.

  8. democommie:

    Candidate for the Obie? I woulda thunk that Hagee’s number got retired years ago.

    It appears from what I can find online that Hagee has am ME, MME and several unverified and unverifiable or honorary degrees. It’s way too hard to figure out what that grifter piece of shit actually knows about anything besides shearing the flock. I just think that in addition to the long list of abbreviations that he prolly lists on his letterhead he should add, LM,LSoSfJ*.

    * Life Member, Lying Sacks-O-Shit for JESUS.

  9. Lycanthrope:

    Secular humanism is a pagan god

    No, by definition it isn’t. You fail right out of the gate.

    it is time for the church of Jesus Christ to stand up and speak up

    Ah, but to which of the 11, 327 or so subtly different denominations are you referring?

    Wait, stupid question. Of course he means his own.

  10. richardelguru:

    “…taught witchcraft by Harry Potter…”

    The only bad thing that Hogwarts teaches is bad Latin! (Why is magic always done in bad Latin??)

  11. Chiroptera:

    Something is dreadfully wrong when you as the parent cannot control the destiny of your own child.

    Actually, something is right about that.

    Yeah, other people have said the same thing, but I had to get my sound bite in, too.

  12. matty1:

    Did anyone else notice he included “you can let your daughter go to school” in the list of bad stuff. Do we call this Taliban envy?

  13. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne:

    (Why is magic always done in bad Latin??)

    Not always. Exspecto patronum is okay, and so (though not a magic spell) is draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.

    Wingardium leviosa, not so much.

  14. lordshipmayhem:

    It has filled our drug rehab centers,

    Plenty of drug addicts aver a belief in some supernatural being…

    it has filled the divorce courts,

    Plenty of Xians getting divorced. Plenty of secular humanists not permitted to get married – the ones who are gay/lesbian and living in states where such unions are not permitted to be officially sanctioned.

    it has filled the shelter for battered wives,

    plenty of Xian men battering their wives, some pointing to the Good Book to justify their misogynist violence.

    it has filled the rape crisis centers,

    because the secular humanists recognize the crime of rape, and encourage the victims to get help.

    it has filled the mental hospitals and single bars,

    I note these are in the same sentence. I too have difficulty telling the difference – going to a singles bar for a love hook-up is a triumph of hope over experience. And couple that with the definition of insanity being repeating the same action in the hope of a different result this time, many of those denizens of singles bars could be defined as insane. And many are, of course, Xian.

    it has filled the penitentiaries

    Except the jail officials report that the inmates are overwhelmingly followers of some religion or other…

    and the roster guests for the brain-dead television shows you see from New York.

    He’s been watching Faux News again – home of the brain-dead television shows. Secular humanists are not exactly welcome in large numbers there.

    your children can be taught witchcraft by Harry Potter

    One of the legal definitions if insanity is the inability to tell the difference between fiction and reality. Pastor Hagee, can you tell the difference?

    Heather has two mommies

    And I’m not seeing reports anywhere where such children are growing up to be sociopathic or otherwise psychologically damanged. Children of the Religious Far Right, on the other hand…

    but don’t call it Christmas

    And it says WHERE in the Bible that Jesus was born December 25th? There are none I can point to as bigger believers in Jesus and God than the Puritans – and they did not celebrate Christmas when they first landed on the New World’s shores, for they couldn’t find Jesus’ birth date anywhere in the Bible either. Call it by its name from before the time of Christ: the Feast of Saturnalia.

    we have a right to the destiny of our own children

    Should it not be that your children have a right to their own destiny, just as you have a right to yours?

  15. frankniddy:

    I didn’t realise people were still pounding the witchcraft angle with regard to Harry Potter. I don’t know anyone who still thinks HP is demonic.

  16. Anri:

    The only bad thing that Hogwarts teaches is bad Latin! (Why is magic always done in bad Latin??)

    (Points to the nearest Catholic Mass) I dunno, ask them.

    Oh, wait, that’s not magic in bad Latin, it’s bad magic in Latin, sorry.

  17. Bronze Dog:

    It’s like a laundry list of every evil we accuse fundies of committing. The difference is that one of us will generally post a link to scientific polls or other studies that back up our assertions and contradict the fundies’.

    The funny thing about the Harry Potter angle: Who in the US teaches those kids that witchcraft exists?

    I certainly don’t. Give me a fantasy game, and there’s a 90%+ chance I’ll make my character some kind of spellcaster, but I’ll still demand that anyone who claims to magically divine anything as trivial as the outcome of coin flips do so under heavily controlled conditions before I’ll even consider believing their claim. Harry Potter and fantasy games are harmless escapism.

    So who teaches children that witchcraft exists? Fundies like John Hagee. You’re the ones generating interest in witchcraft, not humanists like us. Heck, the atheist segments of the group would probably join me in comparing prayer to witchcraft.

    Oh, yeah: The fear of witchcraft is being used in Africa as an excuse to beat/abandon/murder children right now, John Hagee. How do you sleep at night, knowing that you’re a contributor to the witch hunt culture?

  18. heironymous:

    Well – Without secular humanism, there might not be divorce courts, drug rehab centers or battered wife shelters. So I suppose he’s got some truth behind his comments…

    Let’s go back to the good old days where these people were all just burnt at the stake.

  19. bigjohn756:

    Yeah, it’s all those secular humanists beating their wives, raping women and committing crime.

    But, Ed, I’ve been trying to quit.

  20. jeevmon:

    DaveL @5-

    No, you’re not. But that in a nutshell is what the conservative movement is all about. It’s all about control, particularly as applied to girl children.

  21. JayEss:

    Another Hagee instant classic.

  22. cabpo1:

    The ignorance of Hagee and like-minds never ceases to amaze me. A fact he might like to know is that 84% of prisoners are christians and .02% are atheists. Oh, I forgot, he doesn’t believe in scientific studies. Can he even spell “science?”

  23. Nemo:

    You’re all reading this wrong.

    It has filled our drug rehab centers

    as opposed to letting addicts suffer and die on their own, as God intended,

    it has filled the divorce courts

    as opposed to leaving people (mostly, women) to suffer in loveless or abusive marriages,

    it has filled the shelter for battered wives

    battered wives are just getting what’s coming to them for being disobedient to their husbands; they shouldn’t be sheltered,

    it has filled the rape crisis centers

    those girls were asking for it,

    it has filled the mental hospitals

    the proper role of crazy people in society is scut work or begging,

    and single bars

    and marriages should be arranged by the parents.

    Seriously, these are all genuine accomplishments of secular society. In Hagee’s ideal society, none of those institutions would exist — their functions would only be fulfilled by the church, the family, or not at all.

  24. Nemo:

    P.S. I intentionally left out his reference to penitentiaries, but even they could be seen as progressive institutions, compared to some of the alternatives (e.g. massively expanded capital punishment) that used to fill their role.

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