Boykin and Fischer: No Mosques or Muslims in America


Two of the craziest and most dangerous of the wingnuts, retired Gen. Jerry Boykin and the AFA’s Bryan Fischer, got together on Fischer’s radio show recently to bring some serious crazy. They declared that Islam is not a religion, that it isn’t covered by the First Amendment, that we should ban the building of mosques in this country and should not allow any Muslims to emigrate to the United States. Right Wing Watch has the transcript and the video.

Fischer: What do you think we ought to do with regard to our immigration policies and with regard to issuing permits to build mosques in order to build mosques in order to deal with this threat, immigration and mosque building, what do you think we should do?

Boykin: Seal the borders and eliminate sanctuary cities and they’ll go home. No mosques in America. Islam is a totalitarian way of life; it’s not just a religion.

Fischer: Now how do you respond to the First Amendment? Now I believe the same thing that you do, we should not allow the building of any more mosques in America, everyone is a potential recruiting or training ground for terrorist activity. They will bring the First Amendment up, your response when people say they have a First Amendment right to build their mosque anywhere they want.

Boykin: If it’s a religion that’s the truth. But Islam, we need to think Sharia, it is not just a religion it is a totalitarian way of life. A mosque is an embassy for Islam and they recognize only a global caliphate, not the sanctity or sovereignty of the United States.

Ah yes, only true religions are covered by the First Amendment. Which means no religions are covered by it.

Comments

  1. MikeMa says

    Just like churches are recruiting centers for xian terrorists. If you get rid of one, get rid of all.

  2. geocatherder says

    As hard as I try, I really have trouble imagining that the woman in hijab in the grocery checkout line in front of me, herding three small children, is a terrorist. I have trouble imagining that the fellow engineer my husband lunches with is a terrorist, too. Sorry. Does not compute.

    The most Uncivil Activity perpetuated by a Muslim that I’ve personally seen was a woman in hijab who decided to change her baby’s diaper at the far end of the same (large) table where food was being prepared. The food preparers gave her no end of grief and she left. That struck me as a lapse of judgment rather than a terrorist act (not that I would like to eat at her house!).

  3. Tabby Lavalamp says

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    It seems to me that even if it wasn’t a religion, mosques would still be covered by the rest of the amendment. But if they want to stick to what is or isn’t a religion…

    Actually, I’ve discovered that true Christianity isn’t a Christian religion at all – it’s discovering and establishing a relationship with God.

    http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/christian-religion-vs-true-relationship.htm

    They might want to talk to some of their fellow Christians.

  4. matty1 says

    A mosque is an embassy for Islam and they recognize only a global caliphate, not the sanctity or sovereignty of the United States.

    Much the same charge, that being in an international movement makes you disloyal to your nation has been made against Roman Catholics. The main difference I can see is that unlike the Caliphate the Vatican actually exists.

  5. Crudely Wrott says

    Boykin: If it’s a religion that’s the truth. But Islam, we need to think Sharia, it is not just a religion it is a totalitarian way of life. A mosque is an embassy for Islam and they recognize only a global caliphate, not the sanctity or sovereignty of the United States.

    What was it we used to say as a rejoinder when we were snot-nosed little brats in grade school? Back before indoctrination.

    Oh, yeah, I remember.

    “What you say is what you are.”

    We were, even then, quite prescient. Simply replace “Islam” with “Spirit Filled Christianity” and “Sharia” with “Old Testament Law” and there you are. Same difference.

  6. dochopper says

    The real blood letting will be when these folks try to decide What Brand of Jesus Followers the nation will be .

  7. matty1 says

    I had to look up sanctuary cities, based on the wikipedia article they are cities where the local government has a policy of not asking residents if they are illegal immigrants. What this has to do with Muslims is anyones guess. Maybe Muslims are disproportionately likely to overstay their visas and civic officials are the only people who could possibly stop this.

  8. Modusoperandi says

    geocatherder “The most Uncivil Activity perpetuated by a Muslim that I’ve personally seen was a woman in hijab who decided to change her baby’s diaper at the far end of the same (large) table where food was being prepared. The food preparers gave her no end of grief and she left.”
    Worse, by the time you got to the front of the line they were all out of baby.

    matty1 “I had to look up sanctuary cities, based on the wikipedia article they are cities where the local government has a policy of not asking residents if they are illegal immigrants.”
    Scary swarthy people are all Muslims. Even the Mexicans. True story.

  9. eric says

    Hmmm…Fox studios aren’t religious houses, either. Are we constitutionally free to ban them?

    Seems to me they are forgetting that the first amendment has several other clauses. It really doesn’t matter whether Islam is a religion or not.

  10. abb3w says

    An interesting observation, matty1. A lot of the anti-Islam sentiment comes from groups similar to those that were anti-Catholic about a hundred years back.

    For that matter, a lot of them even now seem to be fairly reluctant in their alliance with the Catholics. After all, the high number of Catholic immigrants is the reason numbers of Catholics are holding steady, rather than falling like the Protestants as the younger generation falls away.

  11. teawithbertrand says

    Well, I agree with one point. I wish we weren’t building any more mosques in this country – or churches, or synagogues or temples of any kind. They are all a waste of resources and serve no real purpose. IMHO.

  12. gshelley says

    As Christianity isn’t a religion, “it’s a relationship” I wonder if they would apply the same logic to churches.

  13. Aquaria says

    Ah Bryan, he who has mastered the ability to open his mouth and vomit only bigoted bullshit.

    And you’re upset that people call AFA a hate group Bryan? Gee, if so many of its members talk like haters and act like haters, then don’t you suppose they are haters?

    So tell us what nice things you do–without bashing anyone else. Or giving away your racism or tribalism. One decent, humane thing. Just one.

    We’ll wait.

  14. marymallone says

    I would say something, but the potent mix of bigotry, ignorance, and abject intellectual depravity defies my abilities to produce a meaningful response.

  15. marymallone says

    (In retrospect, that sentence seems more correct were I to replace “my abilities” with “my ability”. Oops)

  16. raven says

    As hard as I try, I really have trouble imagining that the woman in hijab in the grocery checkout line in front of me, herding three small children, is a terrorist.

    Yeah, I know the feeling.

    I saw two Moslem girls at the supermarket the other day.

    They were 10 year old girls standing in front of the candy display and giggling.

    I thought about ramming them with my cart for jesus and then remembered I’m an ex-xian and didn’t have to do that sort of thing anymore.

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