The Clueless Judson Phillips


Tea Party leader Judson Phillips proves, once again, what a buffoon he is and Matt Steinglass calls him out on it. Phillips actually wrote an article on his Tea Party website arguing for more military spending because it creates jobs. But apparently only military spending creates jobs. Phillips writes:

If we decided to build a couple of new carriers, thousands of workers would be hired for the shipyards. Thousands of employees would be hired for the steel mills that would provide the steel for the hull and various sub contractors would hire thousands. Do you know what that means?

It means they would receive paychecks and go out and spend that money. That would help a recovery. That is a shovel ready project!

Increasing spending for the military does a couple of things. It not only not only stimulates the economy, it protects our nation. That is a better investment than say spending money on teaching Chinese prostitutes how to drink responsibly.


And Steinglass responds:

But what’s amazing here, obviously, is that Mr Phillips is justifying building aircraft carriers because government spending creates jobs and stimulates the economy. And he’s right about that! But it seems that there are no other things the government spends money on, apart from defence, that Mr Phillips believes can stimulate the economy. He appears to believe that while government spending on aircraft carriers leads to workers getting hired, spending their paychecks, and helping the recovery, government spending on highways, high-speed rail, education, and health care does not. Meanwhile, Mr Phillips also believes, as he argued in a Washington Post op-ed last week, that the government shouldn’t borrow any more money, because that’s leading us to economic ruin, like Greece. And he believes that the government shouldn’t raise taxes, because that kills jobs. So where is the money supposed to come from? We’re left with one possibility: Mr Phillips believes that we should build more aircraft carriers to stimulate the economy, and fund it by cutting other government spending programmes. But obviously when you cut other government spending programmes, the people who were working for those programmes lose their jobs, stop receiving paychecks, and stop spending money, which harms the recovery. And then there’s the question of how many $2.6m prostitute-safe-drinking programmes you can find to cut. You need 3,500 of them to fund your $9 billion aircraft carrier.

The tea-party movement has spent the past year arguing that stimulus doesn’t work and cannot, by nature, create more jobs or economic activity. The idea that a major tea-party figure can turn around and make a bog-standard argument for defence spending on Keynesian grounds testifies to a startling capacity for cognitive dissonance. I’m impressed.

Oh, why not just say it: Phillips is a clueless dolt.

Comments

  1. says

    So, right-winger harbors wildly inconsistent views about how the economy works that always just so happen to align with his political agenda.

    I am shocked, shocked I tell ya.

  2. Scott Hanley says

    “Cognitive dissonance” is far too kind a term. This is garden-variety stupidity.

  3. says

    I wonder if this somehow links to the whole “government spending doesn’t create jobs, it creates ‘work'” nonsense that we heard a few years ago (as if a whole bunch of work, done day-by-day isn’t somehow a job). Well, once that aircraft carrier is built, then what are all those workers going to do? Start in on building the next one, I presume; just like those workers who would build high-speed rail lines will just start building the next one (or maintaining it, since these things tend to wear down).

    I wonder, too, if this somehow links to the notion that government spending on social programs don’t create anything; they don’t build tangible things. However, the military is a whole organization whose purpose isn’t building tangible things (indeed, doesn’t actually build anything, save for the Army Corps, perhaps), so if we’re trying to increase the amount of “tangible stuff” we’re building, then why spend all that government money making “work” for people to serve an organization that doesn’t built “tangible stuff”?

    I second Scott Hanley’s statement:

    “Cognitive dissonance” is far too kind a term. This is garden-variety stupidity.

  4. Michael Heath says

    Jerry:

    Just making conversation.

    This venue isn’t tolerant of idiots, especially bigoted idiots.

  5. Nemo says

    “… teaching Chinese prostitutes how to drink responsibly.” Did I miss a really weird story somewhere?

  6. It'spiningforthefyords says

    No insult is more devastating than “You’re a Teabagger!” It is an accusation of clueless, pigheaded wrapped in a deep-fried flag.

    This worse-than-idiot probably still eats Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

    I just hope he never catches on fire: I certainly wouldn’t even deign to piss upon him.

  7. Chris from Europe says

    @Nemo
    It’s about a study about some effects. Of course, the study is not a problem, but most people won’t understand this and will wrongly conclude that it was waste.

    This type of study bashing by politicians and major news organizations should be punished by death (and nothing else; I’m against the death penalty).

    @It’spiningforthefyords
    No, this year they’re eating Freedom Deep-Fried Butter Log. *vomits*

  8. Foster Disbelief says

    “Oh, why not just say it: Phillips is a clueless dolt.”

    I’ll say it. Phillips is a clueless dolt.

    In fact, I’ll do you one better.

    Jerry is also a clueless dolt.

  9. jerry says

    Re: Michael Heath

    “This venue isn’t tolerant of idiots”

    A free thought blog that is intolerant of free thought?

    What will you geniuses think of next…

  10. daniel rotter says

    Jerry, making a comment about Mr. Brayton’s girth has nothing to do with “free thought.”

  11. Pinky says

    Weren’t the neocons saying recently that Reagan caused the USSR to spend so much on their military the USSR collapsed?

  12. jerry says

    Jerry, making a comment about Mr. Brayton’s girth has nothing to do with “free thought.”

    Yes it does – just as surely as Brayton calling someone a “buffoon” or a “dolt” is “free thought”.

    The only difference is my statement is demonstrably true.

  13. jws says

    Right. Because tenaciously clinging the belief that only military spending creates jobs naturally insulates one from being a dolt or buffoon.

  14. Azkyroth says

    A free thought blog that is intolerant of free thought?

    Display some thought and we’ll accept it freely.

  15. Mary Mallone says

    I would like to hear more about these Chinese prostitutes who are taught how to drink responsibly…where did that anecdote come from? Am I missing something? Does Phillips think that money is being spent on such ventures (because he has misunderstood a news bulletin), or has he just conjured up a facetious faux-example to illustrate his point? Such is his foolishness that I find it difficult to figure out if he is being facetious or serious.

  16. daniel rotter says

    Jerry: “The only difference is my statement is demonstrably true.”

    Yes, and still just an irrelevant fact (emphasis on the word “irrelevant”), not an example of “free thought.” Criticizing Mr. Brayton’s girth, apropos of nothing, is thoughtLESS.

  17. dingojack says

    MO – I hope you washed you hands throughly ater that (oh and don’t hire her to cook for you either) :) – Dingo
    —-
    OMG! The US will have spent the equivilent of the WHOLE GDP of the US on Chinese prostitues in 5,684,615.4 years!!eleventy!! (According to those, oh so reliable, sources).

  18. Inquisitive Raven says

    And he’s apparently clueless about the study in question too. It’s about whether or not there’s a link between HIV transmission and alcohol abuse in sex workers. This could be relevant worldwide, but the study happens to be done in China. The grant was also awarded in 2008, before Obama took office.

  19. democommie says

    Jerry is a dolt, a dickwad, a concerntonedouchetroll and, if I may presume–based on the crowd photos of SKKKrotalMurKKKinPatriotiKKK Front rallies–fat AND fishbellypastywhite with streaks of FD&C Yellow on his shirt, up to the second knuckle of his fingers and rimming his truculent but purty mouth.

    I’m sorry if all of that seems harsh, Jerry, and devoid of any real content germane to the original post. Well, no, I’m not, really. I find that conservaturdasswipes like yourself have some strange compulsion to come looking for abuse and then whine about receiving it (single handedly, of course, the other hand is busy doing an autoreacharound, donchaknow); we, here at the NEW & IMPROVED Dispatches are only trying to accomodate your perverse desires. Fuckstick.

  20. John Hinkle says

    This guy Phillips got an Op-Ed in the Washington Post? Wow. An intelligent person can wait all his life to make it on the op-ed pages. But by virtue of being a leader of a bunch of over-media-exposed morons, he gets published. He’s like a real life Chance the Gardener.

  21. jerry says

    democommie says:

    Jerry is a dolt, a dickwad, a concerntonedouchetroll and, if I may presume–based on the crowd photos of SKKKrotalMurKKKinPatriotiKKK Front rallies–fat AND fishbellypastywhite with streaks of FD&C Yellow on his shirt, up to the second knuckle of his fingers and rimming his truculent but purty mouth.

    I’m sorry if all of that seems harsh, Jerry, and devoid of any real content germane to the original post. Well, no, I’m not, really. I find that conservaturdasswipes like yourself have some strange compulsion to come looking for abuse and then whine about receiving it (single handedly, of course, the other hand is busy doing an autoreacharound, donchaknow); we, here at the NEW & IMPROVED Dispatches are only trying to accomodate your perverse desires. Fuckstick.

    Mabus? Is that you?

  22. democommie says

    Aww, Jerry, you’re so cute in a misshapen cranium sortaway.

    Ed Brayton’s picture suggests that he is “zaftig”. Your comments suggest that you’re an embittered little man. If Ed is overweight he can remedy that. What ails you, teh burning stoopit, seems to be incurable for most of your sort of people. It’s not fatal in and of itself, but it makes for low quality living. Fortunately for you (and unfortunately for the rest of the world) teh burning stoopit causes those thus afflicted to view themselves as superior to mere mortals.

  23. jerry2 says

    #

    democommie says:

    Jerry is a dolt, a dickwad, a concerntonedouchetroll and, if I may presume–based on the crowd photos of SKKKrotalMurKKKinPatriotiKKK Front rallies–fat AND fishbellypastywhite with streaks of FD&C Yellow on his shirt, up to the second knuckle of his fingers and rimming his truculent but purty mouth.

    I’m sorry if all of that seems harsh, Jerry, and devoid of any real content germane to the original post. Well, no, I’m not, really. I find that conservaturdasswipes like yourself have some strange compulsion to come looking for abuse and then whine about receiving it (single handedly, of course, the other hand is busy doing an autoreacharound, donchaknow); we, here at the NEW & IMPROVED Dispatches are only trying to accomodate your perverse desires. Fuckstick.

    Mabus? Is that you?

  24. Spunmunkey says

    LOL – & by cutting other programs, you end up with no skilled workers to build glorious ships of war. The delicious irony is that the carriers would probably end up be made off shore by some unnamed brown people…

    Like always – Phillips hasn’t thought this one through.

    Oh, & Jerry – grab your paddle & get your douchecanoe out of here.

  25. jerry says

    What ails you, teh burning stoopit, seems to be incurable for most of your sort of people. It’s not fatal in and of itself, but it makes for low quality living. Fortunately for you (and unfortunately for the rest of the world) teh burning stoopit causes those thus afflicted to view themselves as superior to mere mortals.

    What the hell are you babbling about? “Low quality living?”?? You really are pulling this stuff out of your ass at this point.

    I just came here to contrast unavoidable and painful truth against Ed’s backdrop of baseless polemics and strawman conjecture. You, on the other hand, just sit there repeating some less-than-clever, tired, sophomoric internet jargon you’ve probably lifted from some blog somewhere in a vain attempt to shame me for speaking the truth – as if truth is the one thing that will not be tolerated here at freethoughtblogs.

    Can one of you define “freethought” for me? Does it really mean “think like us or leave”?

  26. democommie says

    Jerry:

    Your first comment was indicative of your douchetrolling nature.

    You’re a fuckbag and a liar, why on earth would anyone take your seriously? No answer required, that’s a rhetorical question.

    You think I’m Mabus? Right; he’s been one of sciblogs staunchest defenders and will now carry on that fine tradition here at Freethoughtblogs.

    You might try looping back and pretending to be “serious” after making an inane first comment, but, no, I think you’ve burned that bridge by insisting on being a fuckwad since that comment.

    I suggest you start your own blog, consider calling it “Thoughtfree: the lamentations of a douchetroll”, they’re reserving the domain name for you. Let us know where it is so we can avoid the suction of the blackholeoftheburnin’stoopit that will be emenating from that location.

    BTW, Jerry, I’m not trying to be funny when I insult you. I’m trying to be insulting. I could be mistaken but I think it’s entirely appropriate and it seems to have had the desired effect which is getting you to act like even more of an idiot.

    Kthxbi.

  27. Chris from Europe says

    No, but your mindless trolling, even when you use sophisticated words, doesn’t really contain any thought (except expressing that you disagree).

    You are not speaking “the truth”. This reveals that you don’t understand basic concepts. There’s nothing more ridiculous than people throwing out “I’m speaking the truth“.

    Judson Philips is a racist, ignorant, clueless (etc.) piece of shit and you’re freaking out that someone dares to write about it.

  28. jerry says

    BTW, Jerry, I’m not trying to be funny when I insult you. I’m trying to be insulting.

    Don’t worry. You aren’t funny. And I don’t mind insults.

    You’re a fuckbag and a liar

    I can’t negate the 2nd grade insult, but I can prove that I’m not a liar.

    Just look at Brayton’s picture. He’s fat.

    I don’t attach any polemic to that adjective. Fat people are just fine in my book. I just wanted to contrast a TRUE statement with the unsupported strawman that Ed presented in the OP.

    That’s all. Carry on.

  29. The Christian Cynic says

    I just wanted to contrast a TRUE statement with the unsupported strawman that Ed presented in the OP.

    Bullshit, and you know it. The comment was a total non sequitur; you might as well said “e^(πi) + 1 = 0″ for all the sense your argument makes. That you made your comment a personal one against the author of the post shows that you just wanted to make a personal attack at an incredibly irrelevant issue.

    Also, if you think the OP contained such a strawman, provide an example where Judson Phillips has agreed that non-defense spending can be stimulative in the way that he says defense spending is. Should be easy if the argument is truly a strawman.

  30. Michael Heath says

    Jerry:

    Fat people are just fine in my book. I just wanted to contrast a TRUE statement with the unsupported strawman that Ed presented in the OP.

    Where have you demonstrated that Ed’s conclusion is a strawman?

    We can easily validate the Tea Party, its leaders, and the Congress-people who pander to them have repeatedly claimed that government is incapable of creating jobs, an incredibly absurd and false claim. And yet here we have one of those very leaders claiming the opposite in this case which falsifies their own argument. We can therefore conclude that Mr. Philips is either a demagogue willing to promote partisan matters at the expense of the country’s interests or that he’s so delusional he doesn’t realize when he contradicts his own principles. But strawman?

    The obligation is on you bub to demonstrate how that is true. Instead you avoid any such argument and have repeatedly went for the diversionary ad hominem. That says a lot about your character and nothing about the quality of Ed’s argument.

  31. jerry says

    Where have you demonstrated that Ed’s conclusion is a strawman?

    Did Phillips really claim that “only military spending creates jobs”? Or did Brayton just make that up?

  32. The Christian Cynic says

    jerry: First, you left out the very important “apparently” out of your quote of Ed, which indicates that Phillips’s reflexive opposition of nearly any non-defense spending does in fact suggest that he believes that only defense spending can be stimulative. Now, I’ll be really charitable and suppose that Phillips perhaps believes that stimulative actions need to be accompanied by some other worthy result: that is, that stimulus isn’t worth doing for its own good but only if it results in something positive like defending the country. The problem, of course, is that lots of other “shovel ready projects” from the government do in fact have positive benefits beyond their stimulative effects, and I doubt that Phillips has ever put forth the argument that yes, ARRA (for instance) will in fact put people to work building infrastructure but that the result isn’t worth expending the funds (as it is with defense, he says). He very likely (although I can’t confirm this) said, as most Tea Partiers do, that the federal government is just expanding their power and taking money from the American people, which has to be stopped.

    But as I’ve said, if you want to defend this as a strawman, you’re welcome to find just one example to support your contention.

  33. jerry says

    jerry: First, you left out the very important “apparently” out of your quote of Ed, which indicates that Phillips’s reflexive opposition of nearly any non-defense spending does in fact suggest that he believes that only defense spending can be stimulative.

    When I read the quote it sounds like Phillips said that building ships is a better investment than teaching Chinese prostitutes. The other part is just stuff that Brayton made up. And sorry, saying something is apparently true is not a substitute for evidence.

    The truth matters, people.

    Jerry, you’re a piece of shit and a waste of time.

    Thank God for freethoughtblogs where even a p.o.s. like me can freely voice his opinions. I appreciate you taking the time to read my free thoughts, and I hope you find them a refreshing alternative to the knee-jerk groupthink that we usually find at sites like this.

  34. Rambling T. Wreck says

    jerry:
    Knee-jerk trollery is not a refreshing alternative. You bring nothing but bile, and you’ll get nothing but bile in return.

  35. democommie says

    Jerky:

    I know there’s a learning curve for idiots like you (an insurmountably steep one, I think) so let me explain the equation:

    RDF x a bazillion repetitions != an argument

    Where RDF is Reichwing Douchebag Fuckwaddery.

  36. jerry says

    Jerky:

    I know there’s a learning curve for idiots like you (an insurmountably steep one, I think) so let me explain the equation:

    RDF x a bazillion repetitions != an argument

    Where RDF is Reichwing Douchebag Fuckwaddery.

    And yet- I’m still right, Ed is still a fat liar, and you can’t come up with an original or creative insult to save your life.

    Goodbye, my vile, drooling friend.

  37. democommie says

    “goodbye”? does that mean you’re leaving, fuckbag?

    Lemmesee, “Ed is still a fat liar”. Well, you’re a lying fuckbag. The fat thing, if Ed actually has to deal with that, is possible to deal with. The “fuckbag” thing, at least in your case, is prolly permanent.

    Regardless why you go away, it’s nice of you to GTFO.

  38. Spunmunkey says

    Ah, I see Jerry did indeed grab his paddle, & head straight up shit creek… Well done, Jerry!

    Obviously didn’t need a map…

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