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Dan Fincke has his PhD in philosophy from Fordham University and is an adjunct philosophy professor at five universities this semester (Fordham, Fairfield, Hofstra, William Paterson, and Hunter College). Hear him overview his ideas about the blog's main topics (ethics, religion, atheism, and the atheist movement) in this definitive half hour interview (given to the podcast "Whatever Whatever Amen"). You can also watch him introduce some of Nietzsche's ideas in a ten minute video. Dan was a devout evangelical Christian until he grappled with The Portable Nietzsche while enrolled at one of America's most conservative Christian undergraduate institutions (Grove City College). He went on to write his dissertation on Nietzsche. Learn more about his deconversion and his views on how (and why) to have civil dialogue with religious people in his hour long interview with the Angry Atheist podcast. Also read his article Apostasy As A Religious Act (Or "Why A Camel Hammers The Idols Of Faith"), which explains why those who want to respect religious people and their experiences should stop trying to silence former believers for speaking out against their former religions. (This article also contains the key to understanding why this blog is named "Camels With Hammers".) PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO CAMELS WITH HAMMERS. And---don't be shy---feel free to friend Dan on Facebook (especially if you don't have many atheist friends on Facebook (or at all!). You should also +1 Dan on Google Plus, follow him onTwitter, and/or or like Camels With Hammers' Facebook page. E-mail Dan at camelswithhammers at gmail . com. Among guest contributors the most frequent is Eric Steinhart, who is a metaphysician and philosopher of religion and Professor of Philosophy at William Paterson University. He is the author of many scholarly articles and three books.
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Metaethics

Moral Mutability

Moral Intuitionism

Interviews

Moral Pluralism

Gays and Christianity

TELEOLOGICAL / CONSEQUENTIALIST ETHICS

Subjectivism

Sympathy for the Religious

Psychology and Belief

Meaning and "Spirituality" within Reason

Heroic Faith

Optimism

Applied Ethics

The Religious Right

No True Christianity

Faith as Traditionalism

Virtues

Trust vs. Faith

Science vs. Faith

BAD BIBLE

Agnosticism, Atheism, and Theism

Faith as Choice

Apostasy

Epistemology

Religion's Vices

Discrimination

Ethics of Homosexuality

James Gray

Problem of Evil

PLEASURE, PAIN

DOUBT VS. FAITH

BAD RELIGION

PERSONAL

MOTIVES

METAETHICISTS

RELIGION WITHOUT REASON

ATHEIST SOLIDARITY

ATHEISM DIFFERS FROM FAITH

ANTAGONISTIC ATHEISM

JUSTIFIED BELIEF VS. FAITH BELIEF

GOOD WITHOUT GOD

CIVILITY BTWN ATHEISTS AND THEISTS

“PERSPECTIVIST” EPISTEMOLOGY

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EMOTIONAL REASONING

CHILDREN’S REASONING

KANT

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UNCERTAIN BELIEFS

FAITH AS RATIONALIZATION

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