More Sommers. She’s ratcheting up the trashy malevolence by the hour, in a way that’s honestly kind of strange. She’s coming across as more like a bottom-feeding political operative than even an agenda-driven hack at a far-right think tank.
Retweeted by Christina H. Sommers
Astrokid @AstrokidNJ · 1h
#FTBullies PZMyers NEVER felt embarassed for womens hate, violence & death threats at men though
https://storify.com/AstrokidNJ/women-s-hate-violence-and-death-threats-at-tuthmos … @CHSommers
The very bottom of the swamp.
Christina H. Sommers @CHSommers · 3h
Must-read now! “Men are Harassed More Than Women Online” by
awesome freedom fighter & truth-teller @CathyYoung63
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/04/men-are-harassed-more-than-women-online.htmlYou can be against hardline feminism, but pro-equality. @CathyYoung63 suggests an “equality without anger ” movement. http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/09/01/women-against-feminism-some-women-want-equality-without-anger/rqFNSIJp22YWQy6jGPvhPJ/story.html …
Gamers, libertarians, atheists, techies–constantly hectored by gender zealots. But look what they do to one another. http://m.thenation.com/article/178140-feminisms-toxic-twitter-wars …
Etc etc etc etc. She’s a hedgehog not a fox; she has one thing to say, and she says it over and over and over again. She hates feminism. She thinks women objecting to street harassment and internet harassment are “gender zealots” who “hector” everyone. What a terrible position to stake a claim on.
What, is Ann Coulter’s job as Chief Shithead suddenly up for grabs?
She’s using the inspiration of the Ice Bucket Challenge to assert that she is, indeed, the chillest of the chill.
And they say SJW are circle jerkers. I swear I got scabies just from reading this orgy of asslicking.
It’s not like the ‘trashing’ critique is particularly new or insightful, but referencing it doesn’t seem that malevolent to me.
Retweeting AstroKid who, unlike many other people from the Slymepit, is very open about being a MRA.
I guess it is to be expected, a lot of MRAs follow Sommers.
Oh Zod no not that awful Nation article again. 😛
I know this is Twitter and I need to keep my expectations low, but this seemed particularly disingenuous to me. In each of those instances, I can think of more than a few examples where rigid gender roles were defined by the “zealots” already in those industries/groups. Apparently, if it is *mostly* men doing the defining, it isn’t “zealotry” it’s just “how things are”. The baseline, or “norm”, if you will.
But when anyone criticizes those norms or stereotypes, it’s “hectoring”.
She should have included believers in her list. They’ve probably received more hectoring from gender-zealots than anyone else on that list. Really, I get where she’s coming from. I feel super bad for those Catholic priests who’ve been horribly hectored by anti-child-rape zealots, too. Totally not fair what they’ve have to put up with.
leni @ 7 – yes, that’s exactly it. She seems to be a passionate fan of the status quo and an enraged enemy of anyone who would like to change it. That seems like such an oddly unphilosophical way to think for a, you know, philosopher. What’s so special about the way things are Right This Second that we’re not allowed to suggest tweaks? She doesn’t try to live the way women were expected to when Joan Rivers was starting out in comedy, so why is she so hostile to the very idea of continuing the progress?
Yeah, see, all guys get messages like this, right? We’re harassed more!
Maybe she’s hoping to catch a ride to to DC with Palin…although, the RNP couldn’t be that insane, could they? *mind boggles*
All the MRAs and PUAs agree with CHS: men are constantly fending off so much attention from women, online, in the street. ‘Negging’ is how you get someone hitting on you to stop talking to you and leave you alone in the bar to have a drink in peace for once, right?
All I have to say is that street harassers know EXACTLY what they are doing. I learned this when I worked with a street harasser. We delivered produce to restaurants. He drove the truck and helped me load my cart, I walked the cart to restaurants. This was in a 1800’s car unfriendly area where hand delivery was most efficient.
Driver dude loved to whistle and shout at women out on the early lunch break. I saw every woman he harassed. I noted how she took long strides with her shoulders back. It didn’t matter whether she looked like a model or not, a bit of personal self-regard and good posture triggered him. Then came the whistles and shouts. Every woman slouched and took quicker and shorter strides.
I once told him “I noticed them too, but I said nothing. Seems you like to turn pretty girls into ugly girls.” I used the term “girl” because that’s what he used.
The point of street harassment is to reduce the amount of women being beautiful. Maybe they want only a few types of commodified beauty to even exist. I don’t know why. Why would you want to live in a world where almost every woman was ugly and any woman who walked proudly needed to be taken down?
Are these dudes even really straight? You say you want women yet all you can do is rag on them.
@Francisco Bacopa #12
Basically street harassment gives the harasser the feeling of being in control. Their may be some inner feeling of failure – this person can’t pick and choose any woman he wants, but he *can* pick and choose which woman to harass, and there may also be a sense of revenge – harassing women he thinks would reject him.
Either way it’s fuelled by a sense of entitlement towards woman’s bodies – the catcaller expresses ownership of women and how he considers them objects for his appraisal, rather than human being worthy of respect.
Are these dudes even really straight?
I’ve never seen a gay man behave like that.
That ‘Nation’ article seemed absolutely pernicious in its cluelessness. Counting negative comments and comparing how high the stacks go does not begin to address issues like threats of rape and murder and organized campaigns of harassment.
Nor do the excusers seem to register that there is a ‘second wave’ of misogyny in these incidents. The comparison is NOT between Malala being shot and Rebecca being perved, it is the matching avalanches of hatred both women received from supposedly innocent bystanders.
Now I feel sad and weirdly ambiguous :/ I love Joan Rivers’ comedy, a lot. But she had moments when I just wanted to slap her. She could be so pointlessly mean! I kind of loved that about her, but only because I somewhat get where that meanness came from. And not when she kicked down, I hated that. Still, if I had to deal with what she dealt with for being a not terribly attractive woman in comedy, and then had that compounded with what she took after her husband committed suicide, I might very well have gone scorched earth too.
Anyway, I do not love the meanness feature in Sommers. Not even ambiguously. Maybe it’s because she never made me hurt myself from laughing. Or maybe it’s because I don’t know enough about her to emphasize with her personal struggles. I don’t know. All I know is that I am not really impressed. As you say, she isn’t saying anything other than “stop complaining genderzealots, we need to focus more on men. Which is totally not gender zealotry when I say it.” I can go to church to get that message. There is a reason I don’t.
Well several really, but you know what I mean.