An item


Facebook pages can be reported. Facebook pages that threaten people can and should be reported. I was being quiet about this in public in case Miri wasn’t aware of it, but she is aware of it now, so if you’re on Facebook and you have a minute, you could report this.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Should-Miri-Mogilevsky-be-murdered-/465247246924802

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  1. leni says

    I would but I use Facebook under my real name, which I have no interest in sharing with the cretin who made that page.

  2. Alyssum says

    That was the first time I have ever reported something in Facebook and I can’t say that I was all that impressed with how it works. I ended up choosing “Credible threat of violence” because there was nothing else that seemed close. There is something about how they stuck the word “credible” in there that really bothers me but I can’t quite figure out how to explain it.

  3. mattsmom says

    I’m all for free speech, but it goes over the line when asking if someone should be murdered – doesn’t matter who it is. I did find it interesting that they actually ask for a response, even if it is to report to Facebook. They got what they wanted from me.

  4. says

    A threat is not free speech. But what’s more, Facebook is not obliged to permit free speech, being a private web site. It is actually in the best interests of any community web site, message board, chat room, etc. not to permit free speech, because there’s a crap ton of speech which counts as “free” but does not qualify as threats, which still is antithetical to providing an atmosphere of cordial exchange and communication.

    Not only does a Facebook page about murdering a specific, real individual fall into that category…it also falls into the category of a threat. Free speech has nothing to do with it– which I don’t mean as any kind of admonition to mattsmom; it’s just important to clarify.

    That being the case, this page should have been removed within about a millisecond. Last I checked, it’s still up.

    *facepalm*

  5. mattsmom says

    Gretchen, thanks for adding the clairification. You expressed my thoughts much better than I did.

  6. Musca Domestica - on your wall, pooping on your freeze peaches says

    Alyssum

    That was the first time I have ever reported something in Facebook and I can’t say that I was all that impressed with how it works. I ended up choosing “Credible threat of violence” because there was nothing else that seemed close. There is something about how they stuck the word “credible” in there that really bothers me but I can’t quite figure out how to explain it.

    Interesting. In Danish it said ‘page is harassing me or someone I know’, which was the only threat related option. It also asked me if I want to discuss the issue ‘with someone I trust’, and gave a link to some online safety stuff.

  7. left0ver1under says

    As per usual, facebook takes its sweet flipping time removing incitements to violence, but immediately removes criticism of such incitement.

    Clearly, facebook approves of and supports calls for murder and rape. What other explanation is there?

    http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2010/03/14/facebook-removes-moroccan-atheist-group-and-its-founder/

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/08/05/popular-atheist-facebook-page-removed-after-image-of-a-billboard-criticizing-mormonism-offends-people/

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/05/21/facebook-s-rapebook-page-shut-down-amid-graphic-threats-against-female-founders.html

    And people ask me why I don’t use facebook….

  8. says

    I reported this too. More importantly, lets see the leaders of the skeptical and atheist communities denounce this page. Even a simple, “We don’t always agree with Miri but…” would do.

  9. kesara says

    Facebook really makes no sense whatsoever when it comes to acting on such reports, when I reported someone who called me a Nazi on Facebook (because I am german and he was apparently convinced that all germans are Nazis) it took them less than 20 minutes to delete the comment I reported. But threats of violence / rape etc. can stay up for hours or even days.

  10. JA says

    I see Sarah Mayhew “likes” it.

    You see wrong.
    It’s the page that is liking Sara’s public wiki page.
    This is how rumors get started.

  11. says

    Oh I don’t think we need to put any particular pressure on the leaders of the movements/groups/whatsits to denounce this. I think that can just be taken for granted. (Dave Silverman RTd me right after I tweeted about it, I should add – but really – they’re not pro death threat!)

  12. says

    @ 15 – yes, this is how rumors get started, and that could be why the person behind the page did it. I’ve just been explaining that on Twitter. It looks more like a smear of Mayhew than anything else.

  13. says

    @Hyperdeath: Exactly, while you know that if this were “Does [SLYMEPITTER/ANTI-FEMINIST/BIG-NAME ATHEIST] deserve to be murdered?” they’d be howling and screeching and posting it on Twitter forever.

    Like they do with that Oolon Kickstarter.

  14. Goodbye Enemy Janine says

    Hell. I feel bad enough that some people might take what I said and use it to condemn us. (I have seen this happen too many time before.)

  15. Deepak shetty says

    reported as credible threat of violence – I believe it helps if everyone reporting chooses the same category

  16. Maureen Brian says

    I reported it as harassment and guess what? The good (sic) folks at facebook believe it does not violate “our community standard on bullying and harassment.”

    What standard would that be, buster?

  17. rnilsson says

    Cluelesser than usual – but wasn’t Facebook about to go public around this time? How will this affect the share price at the IPO (initial public offering, right?) in that case, I wonder? Does Facebook wonder, I wonder?

  18. zenlike says

    rnilsson,

    It is Twitter which is going public. Facebook has already done this some time ago.

    Page reported.

  19. peterferguson says

    Reported, for whatever good it will do. Facebook is notoriously shit when it comes to this kind of thing.

  20. says

    There may be other ways to get Facebook to move without needing to delete accounts — there’s the ingenious suggestion of pointing out when advertisers are included on the same display as the page in question, and see if *they* endorse their advertising appearing directly adjacent to those suggestions of murder. Cynically I would guess that might hit the hip pocket nerve a little bit faster there.

  21. says

    [taking deep breaths]

    I returned to find Facebook’s reply, as others have reported: no we’re not doing anything, because chatter about murdering a named, real, actual woman, complete with multiple photographs, is just fine with us.

  22. Goodbye Enemy Janine says

    I just has a less than pleasant exchange with Sara Mayhew after I apologized to her for the mistake I make. Let’s just say I have no intention to exchange any more words with her.

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