Explaining scientific understanding to a creationist

Got this email:

 

My biggest question for you guys is…
How do you believe that we (and by we, I mean the entire earth and all of its contents) are here? Of course Christians, like myself, believe in the 7 Days of Creation.
I’m watching your television show (your showdown with Ray Comfort) and I see the fallacies in his argument and the unwillingness to address your valid points. He also did not question you to the extent that I would have liked to if that were me. Somewhere in there, I came up with the question, “How do they think we got here?”
Do you accept the Big Bang/Point of Singularity or do you believe that the universe is ever-existent in itself? If it is the former, I’ve always wanted an atheist view on it. I watched a piece that Steven Hawking endorsed that was something along the lines of “Does God Exist.” He “proved” that God did not create the universe because time did not exist in which God could have created it. However, I cannot/refuse to believe that the amount of force needed to create that explosion could have been self-existent.
It would be awesome if y’all could address this question. I do not have a lot of free time, as I am a college student working 24 hours a week. Therefore, I can’t really turn on the tube and watch the show. Even if I could, I don’t think I have that channel. What I’m wondering is, if you could address it through e-mail or if you could address it on the show and send me a link where I can watch it on the internet.
I believe it will be fascinating to see a new view, as I live in a religiously-dominated area and differing opinions are few and far between.
I appreciate you guys taking the time!
[Name withheld], Freshman at [University withheld]
My reply is below.

Creationists, watch those sources!

Excerpt from an email:

…your very disrespectful and hateful approach to theism in general is entirely unnecessary, especially since much of the opinion you provide is a result of misinformation. For instance, Matt Dillahunty once laughed at a creationist when he pointed out the fact that the big bang theory supports the idea that, essentially, everything came from nothing. You told this man that idea was false, when in fact, big-bang-theory.com clearly states:

“Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy – nothing.”

That is just an example for you.

I never heard of big-bang-theory.com before, but after skimming it, it was more and more obviously not a science site. As advertised, the site did make the oddly specific claim that nothing existed prior to the singularity, even though this is just one of several working hypotheses about the initial conditions of the universe, and scientists generally don’t try to assert with certainty what happened before the Planck horizon.

Suspicious, I followed the link at the top of big-bang-theory.com, which redirected me to another site called allaboutscience.org. That site contains articles like: Intelligent Design vs EvolutionWho Made God Video; and various poorly written articles and videos that focus almost exclusively on evolution and cosmology. You would think that a site claiming to be all about science might actually consider touching on a few other topics in the Bill Nye repertoire, like electricity or light or momentum. There are lots of other interesting science topics.

Back at big-bang-theory.com, after getting several details flat out wrong, the concluding paragraph begins: “Any discussion of the Big Bang theory would be incomplete without asking the question, what about God?” What? It would?

It then links to http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/does-god-exist-c.htm, which promotes various creationist claims, and finally that page links to http://www.allabouttruth.org/holy-bible.htm which goes into full blown preaching mode.

Of course we can clear this up easily by seeing who has registered the site.

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=big-bang-theory.com



“We write compelling websites that reach out to skeptics, seekers, believers, and a hurting world with powerful evidence for God and the Good News of Jesus.”

You have to marvel a bit at the chutzpah of these folks, no? Design a series of fake but authoritative looking science sites, using inaccurate information to blatantly construct the straw man version of the argument you’re trying to discredit.

The next response from “AS” – the teen apologist

I’m afraid to hit the “publish” button for fear of breaking the blog. I’m including his full text, which is substantial combined with my general verbosity. Apologies. Starting with him:

I’m just flat out tired of the responses from people, as to “why” they clearly don’t or WON’T believe in God. He’s NOT allah, He is Jesus Christ, the one who is alive, forevermore, and IS coming back. I can’t give you the “prove” that you want. And I’m NOT saying to read the Bible, ALL you have to do is ask God yourself. but since you don’t believe in Him, you won’t ask. if you TRULY want to know, you will go to God, and ask Him to reveal Himself to you.

I sent AS “Dragon in My Garage”—and he still has either not read it or not understood it. Note that AS isn’t claiming above that Jesus was a man who used to exist—he’s claiming that Jesus is a god that exists now—and should be demonstrable now. We should be able to examine current evidence for the measurable manifestation of whatever “Jesus” is that exists now. Anything for which we make a claim of existence must be demonstrated to manifest in a way that differentiates it from nothing. Otherwise, what does it even mean to exist—if things that have all the same attributes as “nothing” are to be reasonably considered as “existent”?

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