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  1. Tim G says

    The caller was talking about a conversation he had with his girlfriend’s family, whose members were religious. The screen capture came just after the caller mentioned being given some of Lee Strobel’s books.

    • KsDevil says

      Yes, the College Professor father of his girlfriend. Makes you wonder what the students might be going through. National Enquirer 101?

  2. says

    If Tim @4 is correct on the time, I think I verbally let out an “Uggg.” at that moment myself. (I listen to the podcast version, so I couldn’t see the hosts’ reactions.)

  3. fwtbc says

    Martin, could you please add appropriate alt text to the image and/or post?

    I was able to figure out what the picture was from the comments, but this post would’ve really sucked if they hadn’t been there for context.

      • Draconaes says

        I could be wrong, but I think fwtbc was talking about a situation where the image cannot be viewed, for any reason. In such a case, alt text would be useful for determining what the post was about.

        • says

          Fair – however…. The post is visual. ‘Matt and Jen facepalm’, doesn’t convey the full force of the image. I do, however, apologise to any sight-impaired individuals, if my comment was offensive.

          • KsDevil says

            “Lee Strobel fan? Really?” Might be a better one. Or ‘Not Lee Strobel, again”.
            But that might get some traffic on his site. Not sure if that would b e a good thing or a bad thing. At least he admits to being an apologist.

          • fwtbc says

            It may be a visual post, but it doesn’t mean that it can’t at least be made accessible to blind/vision impaired readers. The alt text of “Image of Matt and Jen simultaneously facepalming in response to something stupid a caller said” would at least allow screenreader users to know what they were missing. In this case, it was lucky that the comments were enlightening, but often the comments consist of little more than “haha” type responses that don’t give any indication of what the image is or why it’s funny, and people like me just find themselves left in the dark in just another way.

            Using a screenreader, this is essentially what the post gets read as:

            An iconic moment…

            by Martin Wagner

            Captured in time.

            Screen Shot 2014-01-15 at 9.42.47 AM

            Posted in: Uncategorized

            Skip to comment form

            So, yeah. Those extra 10 seconds to add alt text or a caption would go a long way for users like myself, of which I’m not the only one.

          • says

            Seems I can’t reply directly to your post ‘fwtbc’, so here it is.

            My initial post was meant to be a joke – it was a comment on the fact that the image sums up a lot of what TAE tv show has been about over the years.

            My response to Draconaes included an apology to sight impaired individuals who may have been offended by my comment. I fully support and am entirely behind anything which helps to spread the message to as many people as possible.

            I’m sorry that you misunderstood my point, and more importantly – I’m sorry if it caused offense.

  4. says

    That’s beautiful.

    On a slightly off topic note – is everyone getting the ‘Puritan Hard Drive’ ads constantly? Is it just so that religionists can claim to have a PHD?

  5. Matt Gerrans says

    I don’t know why the “nothing but the natural exists” claim is hard to defend. It seems like it could be true by definition. If something exists, it is natural (unless you want to exclude things we’ve made, but that would be “manufactured” as opposed to “supernatural”). If something in the universe does exist that is magical (besides the pretty magical forces we know of and the “magic” of quantum physics etc., which seem pretty magical in their own right), then it is really natural. So, if it turns out that genies, leprechauns, unicorns, ghosts, djinns, Yahweh, Jesus and Mo are all real magical beings, then they are natural, aren’t they?

    It seems like “supernatural” is actually just an oxymoron, another of those invented “paradoxes” of the religious genre. If something is “outside” or “above” nature, then what does it mean for it to “exist?”

  6. b. - Order of Lagomorpha says

    Heading off to watch the show now, but if you guys can do that on ice, I think we have a new event for the Winter Olympics–Synchronized Facepalm. :)

  7. DataCable says

    Can’t decide whether or not this beats out Matt & Jeff’s perfectly synchronized “YOU’RE A SOLIPSIST?”

  8. says

    Here’s news which might un-palm your faces.

    I missed it at the time as I don’t read the daily fail. I do, however, get old copies donated to use as animal bedding which led me to spot this story from the 5th of Jan.

    It’s good to see that we in the UK, a country with a state sponsored religion, continue to pull it’s teeth.

    The actual paper copy had a quote from a bishop stating that if you take away the idea of sin then there’s nothing left – pretty good description of religion, really…

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