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Jun 18 2013

Open thread on episode #818, Matt and Jeff

Sorry we’re late with this.

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    Barefoot Bree

    “Sorry we’re late.” That’s ok, I didn’t listen to the podcast till last night.

    I thought Matt from Oslo and his little friend had agreed not to do that anymore? Then why didn’t you call them on breaking their word on the air?

    1. 1.1
      Persephone

      I’m neither Jeff nor Matt, but I’ll take a swing at your question. What’s the point in chastising someone who has obvious ill intent and no apparent concern for the value of his word? Matt in Oslo* has demonstrated that he cannot be trusted, and his word is worthless, so why even bother hectoring him about it? It’s like the old parable about the frog and the scorpion. He’s a scorpion, and scorpions gotta. . . um. . . scorp.

      Man, that went off the rails.

      (* I’ve visited Oslo, and it’s a beautiful town with adorable architecture, but it is tainted by omnipresent graffiti. When I think of my friends in Oslo, I think of the good times we had and the beautiful city where they live. When I think of Matt in Oslo, I think of the graffiti.)

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      Russell Glasser

      “Matt from Oslo” is not named Matt and is not from Oslo.

      Edit: This comment contained personal information about “Matt.” I have removed the information by his request, for now. Some of the comments below are also edited. –Russell

      1. Persephone

        > “Matt from Oslo” is not named Matt and is not from Oslo.

        I’ve grown fond of the nickname, even if it is technically inaccurate.

      2. Russell Glasser

        You can keep using the nickname; but there’s no point in dragging the real Oslo into speculation about him. [redacted] lives in the imaginary Oslo, which is one wardrobe down from Narnia.

      3. Anders Johansson

        O my Buddha

        I feel embarrassed to live close to [redacted] now.
        [redacted]

        1. Russell Glasser

          He’s not your fault. I mean, I live in the same town as Rick Perry, and I assume you don’t hold me responsible for him.

          1. Lord Narf

            I do, actually. Just like Pat McCrory is my fault. It’s all our fault.

            We’re getting some stuff that’s just as insane, out of McCrory, but he keeps his insanity to the governance, alas. He doesn’t make the repeated, insane press-releases that many ultra-conservative governors do, so the nation isn’t as aware of him.

            I’d say something about how we’ll fortunately never see him on the nationwide stage, but we’ve already got so many insane Republicans on the nationwide stage that I’m not sure it would make a difference.

      4. changerofbits

        It sounds like “Matt from Oslo” and his friend need to spend some time outside of their comfort zone. Is the French Foreign Legion still accepting conscripts?

  2. 2
    ET

    I think that what the caller talking about a “world view” might have been trying to say, and what I believe is that, the term worldview is sometimes used to describe how someone perceives the world through their own culture and personal experiences and therefore many different “worldviews” can be valid. However when people use the term worldview as a synonym for religion and still assert that all “worldviews” are valid, that is a problem.

    1. 2.1
      changerofbits

      If that was the case, then I think the caller wasn’t using the definition that I see most commonly used for “world view” (i.e. the one that concerns the cause of human existence, natural vs supernatural being the most simple bifurcation). That’s fine, but the most common definition is assumed unless you use some context to show, or explicitly say, you’re using an uncommon definition. I would say that the cultural and personal experience, which are by definition valid because it defines a person’s experience or thoughts, is better described as a “view of the world” than “world view”.

  3. 3
    Kristian

    What is Matt’s youtube channel? I haven’t been able to find it.

    1. 3.1
      Lord Narf

      https://www.youtube.com/user/SansDeity

      1. Kristian

        Thank you.

  4. 4
    gregfromcos

    With regards to the caller who felt that not having an answer to how the Universe started exactly, was a proof for God.

    I must say that, even now I consider this the strongest argument for God (in my mind). The thing that has helped me think clearly about this is actual examples of other Arguments from Ignorance that religion has used over the years that has since been proven wrong. Especially the ones that caused demonstrable harm.

    1) The belief that Witches could metaphysically control the world around them.
    2) The belief that sickness was caused by evil spirits/demons
    3) The belief that the earth was the center of the Universe.

    At least for me, the examples of where it caused problems are much more powerful than the philosophical rebuttal to the Argument from Ignorance.

    GregFromCos

  5. 5
    fredericksparks

    I think Matt and Jeff did a really good job with Kenneth from Glendale, who seemed like a sincerely questioning theist

    1. 5.1
      escuerd

      Agreed.

      It sounded like Kenneth is just starting to feel like he’s able to question the truth of his religion aloud. It was refreshing to see someone who was sincerely starting to re-examine the beliefs they were raised in (which takes some courage when you’re threatened with eternal torture for doing so).

      I hope he feels more and more comfortable questioning things as time goes on and that he never stops doing so.

  6. 6
    sharkjack

    It’s funny how even though I was at the live recording of this episode, it still feels like a new one now that I’m listening back to it here.

    It was a pretty good episode save from the beginning. Aggressive debates can be fun but these more educational discussions could be just as good if not better.

    Dinner at threadgills was great too.

  7. 7
    hellboundallee

    I loved what you did differently about the calls by the Matts From Oslo. Don’t hang up. Just let them stew in it. It seems to work really well. They end up embarrassed, and hang up themselves. Maybe [redacted] has something he’s really like to talk about.

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