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Bat Cruise weekend, A Better Life, and episode #780 open thread

Man! What a week. Things have been busy here in Austin Town. First, most of us spent days early in the week doing our individual photo shoots and interviews with Chris Johnson for his book project A Better Life. Some of you will remember, back in the spring, my promoting the Kickstarter fund drive for this little project. Well, it worked out for him, becoming the second-highest-funded publishing project in Kickstarter history. And now Chris is in the midst of his busy nationwide tour photographing 100 atheists for the enhancement of heathen coffee tables everywhere. Below the jump, you can see some clips from the interviews he did with us.

Then yesterday and today, ACA played host to Teresa MacBain of American Atheists and The Clergy Project, which is designed to help ministers and pastors who have figured out it’s all a steaming pile with their transition to atheism. Teresa is herself a former fundamentalist Methodist minister who only finally faced up to her nonbelief about a year ago. The story of her deconversion is a brave and sad one, contrasting the welcoming sense of fellowship (to borrow a favorite word of Christians) she’s received from the godless community with the utter loathing, anger, and shunning she’s experienced from her former friends and church members. We were proud to have her participate in a special 2-hour show today, which also featured a lovely little moment of videobombing by Aron Ra.

Our annual Bat Cruise was yesterday. This is where we rent a big boat for the privilege of being pooped on by the several million bats who famously live under Austin’s Congress Avenue Bridge, the largest urban bat population in America. This year was one of the most fun cruises yet, and next year is already set up. So mark your calendars for September 28, 2013, and get your asses to Austin!

Anyway, some pics from the cruise are up on the AXP Facebook page, and the aforementioned vids are after the jump. Me for some sleep.

Studio photo above from Facebook courtesy Graemme Grim Glam Gilman.

Comments

  1. says

    I find it interesting how we can delve deeply into the depths of concentrated thought and engage in discussions on religion, philosophy, and science, while at the same time almost define who we are as individuals by the simplest of things. Recalling a cherished memory or finding joy in something insignificant but personally meaningful, can awaken you from the daily grind that often manifests into a continuous stupor. We spend years cramming complicated bits of information into our heads just as preparation for even more laborious mental exercises. It’s nice to know that as cerebral and unattached from humanity we may sometimes become, that who we were as children never dies. We grow older and still find awe, joy, and I hope humility.

    It’s silly, but one of my favorite quotes and something I live my life by is from Mr. Bilbo Baggins who says “It is not bad thing to celebrate a simple life.” Money, fame, success…it’s great, but going to bed every night with a smile on your face, fully satisfied with your life and the direction it’s leading is even better.

  2. gregorylynn says

    On a completely trivial note, it’s very strange hearing voices you recognize coming out of faces you don’t.

  3. sumdum says

    Perhaps it’s because you had more time, but I thought this was one of the best episodes in a while. :)

  4. Gordon says

    That 2 hours just flew by.

    I found death (and funerals) much harder as a believer. Not only was I grieving for a loved one, but I had to feel guilty for that grief. I was meant to be happy they were “with Jesus”.

    Sure and certain hope of resurrection nothing.

  5. alt3 says

    I had the same weird feeling watching these videos. I never watch the videos, I just download the mp3s to listen to over lunch. It’s like watching the voice actors do the voices for a cartoon.

  6. Jay says

    I really can relate to the caller who said that sometimes he feels “superior” then theist. It is REALLY hard to not think theist are not morons and it has nothing to do with their beliefs to be honest. The only time I ever start to think theist as a group are brain dead idiots is when I read or hear anything that has to do with Kent Hovind, Ken Ham or Ray Comfort. I personally find Ray Comfort offensive because of this. I know for a fact that christians and theist of all kinds arent idiots but Ray Comfort…..constantly tries to prove the opposite. I don’t think he him self is stupid though. I think he is simply LAZY and as long as he can appeal to the lowest denominator he will continue to be lazy. He also offends me when he said that he is trying to convert “the man on the street” aka “the layman.” and because of this he doesnt have to be honest about what evolution actually says. This I find VERY OFFENSIVE. I am a layman and I understand evolution! By “man on the street” and “Layman” Ray Comfort means the most ignorant uneducated scientifically illiterate person he can find. If I was a christian I would be disgusted with Ray Comfort and disgusted with Kent Hovind. I will say though that I do feel superior then those who have been MISLED by Ray Comfort….the mere fact that you were misled by the most laughable apologist….I am sorry but I can’t respect you.

    So my advice to atheist who have this feeling that “christians/theist are idiots!” is just stop watching Ray Comfort and Kent Hovind videos. I remember when Kirk Cameron the “circumnavigate the intellect.” Ray Comfort lacky actually used multiple emails they got saying “you theist are idiots.” in their live debate with TRRS. In an attempt to make an appeal to authority, just an excuse to name famous scientist who believed in god. That is like the most rich and selfish person you’ve ever met complaining about emails about how selfish they are and then citing examples of famous rich people.

  7. Jay says

    Thinking back on “.the mere fact that you were misled by the most laughable apologist….I am sorry but I can’t respect you.” I need to explain. I mean this only about those who are actually educated and yet still fell for Ray Comfort’s stupidity. If your just some kid, or you’ve just never had the opportunity to even question, then I don’t feel I am superior then you at all but if your an educated person who fell for it I can’t have respect for you. I know that sounds bad, but it’s the truth.

  8. Kes says

    Duuuude, Alex, the “I read the bible for 27 days and saw visions” guy… He recreated, intentionally or not, the kind of spiritual retreat and ascetic experience that have been cultivated by spiritualists of all faiths across the world for all of recorded history.

    He went on and on about cutting himself off from the world and external stimuli (snicker, “sexual temptations”, snicker)EXCEPT for the freakin’ bible! He marinated his brain in spiritual Christian imagery for weeks, and then, shocker of shocks! He has an explicit Christian “vision” *cough* dream *cough*.

    It’s just *astounding* to me, all these “spiritual seekers” who manage to recreate “spiritual” experiences by obsessively focusing on the mythological imagery of their religious traditions, experiences shared by millions of co-faithful, and they seem to think they’ve done something amazing and unique. Anyone with even a passing understanding of neurobiology would recognize this for what it is: a kind of self-induced hypnotism.

    None of them can prove that they are doing anything other than conditioning their own brain to share in the mass-delusions of their faith. Just because you had an intense mental experience based on emotionally-charged religious imagery, it doesn’t follow that this experience had any impact beyond your own mind. It is no more “real” than an intense nightmare or one of those anxiety dreams wherein you have forgotten your pants and the pants test is in five minutes.

  9. M says

    Alex sent me 3 messages on YouTube after I commented that I found him amusing. This is the first…

    “Hi
    I have a buddy in Montreal who has had 15 dreams from JESUS so far after reading the Gospel asking for the Living Water.

    YOU want proof GOD is real?

    Can you be my friend for a week, just one week, let me talk to you, call me and let me share my life with you for that time, then you can make an informed decision without judging a person wrongly?

    (phone number here)

    *67 blocks your number.

    ASK yourself what do you have to lose ?

    Much love

    Alex”

    In the other messages he rambled on about crazy visions and called me a zombie who needed god’s light or some such nonsense. Truly entertaining stuff.

  10. says

    This is the caller Alex, nice to meet you. You think I cut myself all from ALL? MY MOM was sick and dying so no, I had to cook for her, do the clothes, dishes, go to work and come home. ASIDE from all that I cut myself off, yeah, from what? What do you do that’s so awesome? Play games, shooting things, porn, movies, comedy, what? So do you see visions of these things too? Its not about visions, its about Jesus Christ giving His Spirit so that you are ONE with God but you’d know nothing about such matters, not until you’re dead and in the grave, then you’ll see the darkness. What have you done with your life? I was in the Marines 8 years, finished school, started a business online as well as helped people who wanted to kill themselves find their way out. So what have you done with your life? So you say, there’s no God, who are you to say? Have you died and come back from death to tell me what happened? Have you read the ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT asking for the Holy Spirit? Did you suspend your unbelief, a gift GOD has given all people to seek Him and heaven, but people use it for their damn games, movie and media, lies lies lies lies lies. YET you can believe in a lie, you can believe in fantasy, you can believe in make belief, you can… ITS fake though. God gave you that gift so that when HE does manifest, you are in awe for the rest of your life, happy, content and knowing Him and where you’re going after death.

    YOU WANT To debate me? THEN BE A MAN…. CALL ME [Number redacted in the interest of saving Alex from his own folly — just let people respond to you here, dude. —Admin]

    ANYONE here is welcome to call me, anytime.

    I never asked GOD to show me anything, I asked GOD To give me a heart that could love, love my life instead of hating it, love my mom was was sick dying instead of hating her too, a heart that could love that didn’t have to be sarcastic anymore, that could be FREE from desires, wants and needs, the very things that plague you right now which plagued me.

    So if you haven’t read the Gospels dropping down to the King, you have no honor, all who did not bow to the King back in the days got thrown into prison. JESUS gives people heaven, not when you die but within you here as well, that PEACE and love and shows you all things. CUT off the world best you can with sins too, uphold your responsibilities for work or school, honor your family, seek God by reading the Gospel asking for heaven itself to be revealed to you and the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to be given to you, STOP fearing, you ask this and finish the Gospel ONCE while not loving the world or anything in it or consider yourself a weak willed coward without honor or objectivity.

    HEAR ME OUT —>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fix0Awlk-s

  11. says

    ANYONE TELL me the name of the woman that was on the show that day? The very nice lady who works for an atheist website, she was incredibly nice as was the man hosting. I will be calling in weekly.

    AGAIN IF ANYONE wants to speak to me and RUN the experiment to FIND GOD then message me.

    The word Atheist means that atheists have made an assumption. In Greek “A” means without, Theos means God. Without God, Therefore the name Atheist is a stance. Atheists have never asked for the Holy Spirit reading the Gospel which is only 190 pages to see whether or not Jesus and God are real. They blindly disregard the possibility of God refusing to treat God’s word objectively so they don’t have to answer to sin, its the classic fight or flight response, choosing flight. Agnostic, once again in Greek, the “A” meaning without , gnosis meaning knowledge and together with the “A” is “without knowing. ” They refuse the Gospel (knowledge of God) therefore not being able to know God.

    God exists because my physical self can’t exist. It’s that simple. I am born, I grow old, I suffer and I inevitably turn into dust. If this is all there is to consciousness, then consciousness doesn’t exist. If consciousness doesn’t exist, then the “non-consciousness” or “void” is God. You can’t escape God stripping man of everything man has, because that’s how nature works. It’s called death, and nothing can escape its gravity. Atheists may try to argue against the relevance of death, but when it draws closer from the works of natural law, they no longer have that egoic convenience of good health and youth. How one can begin to understand God is by coming to terms with the illusory nature of one’s human identity and its dream based lusts. There is obviously a God because if there isn’t a God, then I am a false construct down to the very core of my being, which doesn’t even exist in the first place…LoL. If eternal nothingness is so potent, then why does there really seem to be something right now? I believe the now moment gives us insight into what’s eternally unfolding throughout all time and space. A small blade of grass has more knowledge of reality than an atheist. ALL This and beacuse when I decided to read the New Testament alone in my room over a few weeks asking Jesus for the Holy Spirit thanking the Almighty Father confessing sins and asking and reading, I lasted until page 150 our of 190 before HE came through and HE has been in me, with me, revealing and loving me since.

    teleology” (a Greek word like anamnesis). And it means the answer is always suspended at the end, like after you read the Gospel asking for the Holy Spirit and Jesus to be real to you, confessing sins, asking for heaven to be revealed to you. (LAUGH NOW about it when you die and are at hells gates you will cry and beg for it hopefully GOD will not laugh back), at the end comes the the evidence not at the beginning…so faith has to LEAP for there to be an answer at the end (all other experiments would not be teleological but the opposite, causal) …

  12. says

    I used to watch the video versions for a while until I realized that I just mostly put the video in the background, so I might as well listen to the mp3 versions.

    Though after watching the low resolution videos, it seems weird to see the familiar faces with so much more detail, in that way they do seem like totally different people.

    (Do you ever get the feeling when you’ve met someone a couple of times but haven’t really gotten a good look at them, and you eventually get to sit down with them and look at them for a while, they look totally different than you originally though? I guess when you meet someone new you kind of try to categorize the person by some sort of personality stereotype that already exists in your memory.)

  13. says

    Funerals are one of the things that seem really weird after you stop being religious and/or being sympathetic towards religious rhetoric. Attending the funerals of my grandfathers, both of whom were obviously very much the cornerstone of our extended family, it seemed so weird that the funeral service was led by someone who knew absolutely nothing about the person that the whole event was about. Pretty much none of my relatives are religious either, so basically the only reason we were having a religious ceremony was that it’s still the social norm.

    My mother’s father’s ceremony was a bit better as the priest gave a somewhat secular and down to earth speech, and he even cracked a joke at the wake, but my father’s father’s funeral just seemed weird as the priest kept on going about how we owe everything to God and we would be nothing without God and everyone of us trusts in God. And he also said my grandfathers name wrong as he gave the final blessing (you had one job…) which actually felt more like an ice breaker than an insult at the moment, to be honest.

    I just wish there were more secular options available for occasions like weddings and funerals, so maybe they’d become more popular in the near future. This is definitely something that the humanist community needs to work on.

  14. says

    I really can relate to the caller who said that sometimes he feels “superior” then theist. It is REALLY hard to not think theist are not morons and it has nothing to do with their beliefs to be honest.
    Especially now that the concept of “being factually right” has been deemed as some sort of elitist subjective viewpoint, in the current political climate. Since when did correcting someone for making a factual error in a statement become politically incorrect?

    When you see a Conservative debating a Liberal on anything, it just seems like they are both engaging in live action role-playing, but they have chosen mismatched themes, and they’re trying to make a believable play when one of them is a cyborg and the other a viking. Which ends up being something completely surreal and horrible to watch.

  15. mary says

    Matt’s comments at the end regarding no one actually being in heaven reminded me of another clip on YouTube. Mattt was saying that if his Mother were in heaven knowing he was in hell, that would be painful for her and therefore not this happy, happy place. If, somehow heaven changed her so she did not remember or no longer cared about her son’s suffering, then that would not be his Mother. So, really, it is not his Mother who would be there.

    TheoreticalBullshit has a clip with similar thinking. It is called ‘My Dear Christian’. TBS was the only one I had heard state this idea until hearing Matt today. But, it makes a lot of sense.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VbMAwN0u7I

    This young man has some wonderful videos. Two of my other favourites are ‘And what if I’m wrong’ a slightly different perspective on Pascal’s Wager. It is well worth the couple of minutes as again, he has an interesting perspective.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iClejS8vWjo

    and his ‘Converation with Hitler’
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iClejS8vWjo

    I think it would be fun if TBS were on the show sometime with the AE group. But, I am not aware if they even know of each other.

  16. Gordon says

    The best funeral I have ever been to was a Humanist ceremony I attended while I was still a christian. It was all about the person, anecdotes from their life, their favourite songs, the impact they had on loved ones. Even as a religious person I felt that it was far more moving and relevant than all the “Jesus talk” I was used to hearing at funerals.

    I’m most familiar with Catholic funerals which are ridiculously impersonal and (except for the presence of a coffin and the fact that seats are filled) all but indistinguishable from a regular Sunday Mass.

  17. mikespeir says

    Be careful not to overuse “Fundamentalist.” I was Methodist, and while every so often you could run into one that might qualify, “Fundamentalist Methodist” is pretty much an oxymoron.

  18. says

    I have to agree with Ing, Alex. You write just like you talked on the show: with an apparent inability to focus your words around coherent thoughts. It’s just rambling. And you certainly appear to have some desperately screwy ideas about what constitutes your own existence. If our minds and consciousnesses are only the products of electrochemical activity in our brains during the time we’re actually alive (which I certainly think is the case), that does not mean that we do not actually exist for that period of time. And you’ve given no argument for why a God needs to be necessary in order for you to be anything other than a “false construct” apart from your own evident ignorance of how minds work. How would God’s existence suddenly make you a “true” construct?

    But Matt’s point on the show, which you seem not to have spent any time considering, still holds: Why would a God who “loves” me, who is interested in my “salvation,” and in fact is so demanding of my worship that he will torture me in hell forever if I decline to give it, make it so that the only way he reveals himself to believers is through bizarre, hallucinatory personal experiences that cannot be demonstrated to anyone else as evidence, and that, when described, sound indistinguishable from tripping? This kind of God simply makes no sense whatsoever.

  19. Kes says

    Oh wow. Sorry if I touched a nerve Alex. I guess I should ovary up and respond, since you laid out your position so… eloquently?

    What do I do in my life that’s so great? Oh, nothing much. A little hedonism, and little writing, a good deal of cooking, petting a cat, hanging around. I work for a nonprofit, does that make me a good person? I served as a Peace Corps volunteer for two years, does that make me “honorable”? I graduated from college, does that mean I’m competent to debate you? I strongly dislike your entire framing of the debate, as if I have to “prove” my “credentials” before my opinions matter. They matter to me, and clearly they matter to you, so what do you care if I spent the entire weekend in my house watching Sailor Moon episodes? (Which I did.)

    I categorically object to your stubborn restating of Facts Not In Evidence. You say that your god came to you in something that sounds very much like an intense dream after many days of biblical study. Which apparently was not as ascetic as you originally described, being as it included working, cooking, and caring for your mother. So what? Your only “evidence” for this divine being is the visions in your own head. You have not proven anything other than that you are capable of extremely moving religious dreams. There is no evidence here of the Christian creator god. None.

    I have read the bible. I was raised Congregationalist, my father often read bible stories to us as bedtime reading (along with Greek myths and Heinlein novels…) I have read Karen Armstrong’s A History of the Bible and, I would fain to boast, and probably more familiar with the books in it and how they came to be written than most Christians. And frankly, I find it a valuable collection of military history, ancient creation myths, poetry, ethnography, and ancient beliefs. But that is all I find there. There was no ghostly divine hand holding those pens. There were men recording their own prejudices and paranoia.

    Death? I know what happens when you die. Everyone knows. The brain ceases to function, and the only part of your personality left on the earth is in the children, memories, and writings you left behind. Nothing more, nothing less. That doesn’t scare me in the least. If I did have certain knowledge I would be facing Jesus on his throne after brain-death, I still wouldn’t be scared, because that would be beyond my control. But I am extremely glad to say that I won’t be faced with that, not even in a near-death experience, because that kind of religious imagery has no hold on my imagination any more.

    I have nothing but contempt for religions that demand subservience from their adherents. It speaks to a lazy priestly class that would rather have congregants bow down in awe than raise their voices in question. I would submit that the one who cannot look at the world objectively here is you.

  20. John Kruger says

    God exists because my physical self can’t exist. It’s that simple.

    What the . . .? Rarely can one observe such an assertion. You were able to physically call the show without physically existing? What can such a sentence possibly mean? To confuse things more we later get:

    There is obviously a God because if there isn’t a God, then I am a false construct down to the very core of my being, which doesn’t even exist in the first place.

    So, clearly, you cannot exist if god exists and you cannot exist if god does not exist. LoL indeed.

    You seem genuinely convinced that you do not exist. Seek professional help. This post is a wild string of baseless assertions that reads like a manifesto.

  21. mikeplemons says

    I’ve just finished listening to the podcast. So many gifts and it’s not even my birthday!

    I didn’t stop at the podcast. I went on to watch Teresa’s interview at atheists.org, watched both parts of the show with Philip and then watched her “Coming Out” presentation.

    Just, wow!

    From this individual, who was not able to attend in order to provide and receive support, I give my assurance that my standing ovation, applause and tears may have been distant in space and time but they were no less genuine.

    To echo one attendee, “We Support You”.

    I’m honored to have you, now, in a position of support, Teresa.

    Awesome. Just awesome.

  22. Luis says

    1. God exists because my physical self can’t exist.

    Assuming you’re still alive at the time of this post, your physical self can and does exist. This is easily evidenced by the fact that you have used your physical self to post a comment here.

    2. I am born, I grow old, I suffer and I inevitably turn into dust. If this is all there is to consciousness, then consciousness doesn’t exist.

    Consciousness is a state of awareness originating in the brain as a neurological process.

    3. If consciousness doesn’t exist, then the non-consciousness or void is God.

    Consciousness does exist. It’s just not the spooky metaphysical thing you think it is.

    4. There is obviously a God because if there isn’t a God, then I am a false construct down to the very core of my being, which doesn’t even exist in the first place.

    So there’s a god because if there isn’t, you don’t exist. AWESOME! Can I do that too? Here let me try. A unicorn made of chocolate must exist, because if it doesn’t, then I don’t exist either. And since I exist, a unicorn made of chocolate MUST EXIST!

  23. sharkjack says

    ANYONE TELL me the name of the woman that was on the show that day? The very nice lady who works for an atheist website, she was incredibly nice as was the man hosting.

    I can give you a hint, the name is somewhere in the OP (opening post). Good luck with that.

    I will be calling in weekly.

    I don’t doubt that you’ll try.

    The word Atheist means that atheists have made an assumption. In Greek “A” means without, Theos means God. Without God, Therefore the name Atheist is a stance. Atheists have never asked for the Holy Spirit reading the Gospel which is only 190 pages to see whether or not Jesus and God are real. They blindly disregard the possibility of God refusing to treat God’s word objectively so they don’t have to answer to sin, its the classic fight or flight response, choosing flight. Agnostic, once again in Greek, the “A” meaning without , gnosis meaning knowledge and together with the “A” is “without knowing. ” They refuse the Gospel (knowledge of God) therefore not being able to know God.

    It’s funny that under your definitions, Matt Dillahunty, president of the ACA and host of the Atheist experience, is not an atheist. If that doesn’t tell you that your definitions are not useful then I don’t know what will.
    I will say this though, we’re not atheosts, we’re atheists. Since “A” also refers to ‘not’, we’re actually using it to define ourselves as not theists, or not someone who believes god claims to be true. If you want to stick with your definition, realise that the people who self define as atheists aren’t always atheists under your definition.
    Your definition of agnostic is actually pretty close, though self defined agnostics tend to structure it as it is impossible to know if a god exists, so a stance either way is useless.

    Atheists tend to use it differently to differentiate between knowledge and belief. One can claim to know their belief about the existence of god corresponds to reality (for example you appear to be a gnostic theist under these definitions). Other people will admit that they base their belief purely on faith because they don’t know, so they’d be agnostic theists. On the opposite side we have agnostic atheists who don’t claim to know about the existence of god but don’t believe that one or multiple exist and a gnostic atheist who claims to know none exist (and believes this to be true) I find this set of definitions incredibly useful when the existance of multiple gods is put into question in a single discussion.

    God exists because my physical self can’t exist. It’s that simple. I am born, I grow old, I suffer and I inevitably turn into dust. If this is all there is to consciousness, then consciousness doesn’t exist.

    If conciousness is purely physical and physical things exist… then conciousness doesn’t exist. Wow that’s a good point. Let me think for a bit. Oh wait my mistake, that’s absolute bullshit. Your physical self does exist, it changes personality when it gets physically damaged in certain ways, it can split into two persons and it detoriorates as your brain does because it’s temporal. In the biological sense that’s all there is to conciousness and if that’s not good enough for you then tough luck.

    Atheists may try to argue against the relevance of death, but when it draws closer from the works of natural law, they no longer have that egoic convenience of good health and youth.

    This is vile and untrue. At this point I’m starting to lose the will to continue any form of discussion, because you’re not just offending me by saying I haven’t really thought this thing through, but you’re also basically saying that people close to death will stop being atheists out of a fear of death. People have remained atheist when faced with death very directly and it’s incredibly disrespectful to shoehorn them into a position they didn’t hold like that.

    A small blade of grass has more knowledge of reality than an atheist

    I’m framing this.

    ALL This and beacuse

    This has to be intentional, all in caps, capitalised second word, inappropriate use of and and because spelt wrong. It’s so much wrong condensed into just four words, it’s almost a miracle. Too bad your god didn’t grant you improved coherency and the ability to spell check when hir was revealing hirself to you.

    teleology” (a Greek word like anamnesis). And it means the answer is always suspended at the end, like after you read the Gospel asking for the Holy Spirit and Jesus to be real to you, confessing sins, asking for heaven to be revealed to you.

    Nope. (well yes, teleology is derived from Greek, that part is true) Teleology is the philosophical position of looking at all phenomena in the world as driven by purpose. A good example of this would be to say it rains so that plants can have water. It’s pretty much bunk if you know a bit about modern science and not surprisingly it’s completely compatible with most christian doctrines. I’m not sure what point there was to telling us about this word, it’s origin or the meaning you think it has. If we weren’t convinced of what you said it meant already it doesn’t really do anything for us and since we’re atheists we obviously don’t, but do try to get the definition right.

    If you respond to this at all, please do so in a clear manner and with thought out responses rather than streams of conciousness. I probably won’t respond otherwise but you’re welcome to try.

  24. gespenst says

    ATE!

    I just wanted to say that this was a phenomenal episode. Honestly, it may very well be the *best* one I’ve ever seen. Seriously.

    Check it out – a woman called in that was struggling with the concept and reality of death, and even more importantly, the potentiality of hell. By the end of the call not only was she laughing, but you could audibly tell in her voice that she felt better about these things. Your explanations and insights really helped this person. That’s phenomenal. That’s FANTASTIC. No, I don’t think I possess the adequate vocabulary to express how !@#$’ing awesome that is.

    To everybody involved with the show – give yourselves a pat on the back. Because of your combined efforts, tonight someone sleeps a little bit better. That’s fantastic. You’re fantastic. Massive, massive kudos.

    Warm Regards,
    StarStruckFan

  25. says

    I really never cared what other people thought so why start now? I rather help people in need, feed them, help them FIND GOD and not religion. I hate religion MORE than any of you do, believe me I really do. Its just that I want ONE person to admit to me that when they WERE religious, back when they had that bit of faith, I want them to confess to me what they did to find the Kingdom Jesus said to seek. Did they refrain from the pleasures of the world, did they refrain from sin, did they ask for the Spirit of Christ in solitude as we were told to, alone, or did they make a public spectacle of Jesus, their faith and religion, creating a social circle around His name, never really doing what was written to find the Kingdom of heaven here on earth. HOW many days did they fast asking for the kingdom to come? Did they not love the world as it said not to when you seek, did they confess sins hoping for God to give to them the Spirit of Christ and to reveal Him… how long did they hope for this, reading, asking and being persistent? I don’t know what all the fuss is about, I mean really.

    I don’t know what person in their right mind would join a church to find God. That’s like going to work at a bank as a cashier thinking you’re gonna get rich since you’re around money.

    FINDING GOD has nothing to do w other people. From the first moment they set search for God, IF that ever happened, they should have gone into solitude as Jesus said to, fasting, praying, reading and not sinning and actually waiting for God to do something and when HE didn’t, to keep asking, reading and pushing.

    I got to page 160 our of 200 (new testament) the first time around before Jesus appeared to me in dreams and visions.

    you think that’s crazy? What do you know, thousands of years have gone by with people seeking visions from God and receiving them.

    Now a bunch of people in a post modern sleaze filled generation want to tell me Gods not real?

    THEY AIN’T real. COWARDS, fake liars that never fasted a day in their lives for God to give them the Holy Spirit.

    THEIR pastors lied to them and they bought into it hook line and sinker.

    WHO said you had the Holy Spirit after ONE confession of faith?

    NOBODY but your lying pastor and you know what, its the people’s fault for seeking God through men, JESUS was clear.

    GO ALONE into your room asking there… seek God w all your heart and mind and time and soul and HE will come to you.

    GIVE IT all you got He said, bunch of lazy liars who love to come down on Christians because they have faith in God.

    SURE MOST Christians faith is deluded as well, Jesus has never once spoken to them or come to them, but that doesn’t make God or Jesus not real, it makes those who claim their name a liar.

    So unless a person takes SIN seriously, not loving money seriously, not caring or worrying about the things in life seriously.. serious enough to drop all they got going on in life to go be alone w Jesus, to receive His Spirit or want to… to seek that way.. then they aren’t fit for service for the King nor should HE come to them because they were scared cowards who were codependent for one another for emotional support, they never sought God nor did they repent from their unbelief, not when they were so called believers of Christians and certainly not now.

    Every single person I’ve spoken to that was once a Christian and still is tells me that at least ONCE in their life they thought about DROPPING it all and getting away from it all to be alone in a cabin, the woods or some kind of scenario involving them alone w God for a while.

    BUT that thought never transpired to actions and they never went and Jesus never came to them because they’re motives are for their lives to be the way they want it.

    They loved their lives and not the Lord, their lives which will be taken from them, so the Lord didn’t come to them because they are liars thinking they had the Holy Spirit when they never ever did to begin with.

    People assume they have the Holy Spirit upon belief, none seek after God until HE is found, they all owe GOD 40 days of solitude or they should call themselves cowardice worldly liars who never sought their God the way it was given by Christ to seek God.

    HE is coming w His angels to judge, I have seen the Lord, nobody can run, nowhere to hide. HE IS COMING SOON.

    GOOD LUCK

    Alex

  26. says

    Does this make sense: UNLESS you read the Gospel asking God for the Holy Spirit while not loving your life, the world, breaking away from it all to read, ask and keep yourself Holy for that time, then you do not deserve to receive the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

    Please enlighten me, have you ever sought God w fasting, reading, refraining from sin, pleasures of the world, doing as Jesus said, DO not love the world or anything in it, seek asking for the Holy Spirit and be diligent and persistent?

    The New Testament is not long at all, its roughly 195 pages, so many have read it. So what, does that mean whoever reads a Calculus book can solve all the problems? What if a person wasn’t paying attention to details?

    When the word of God says, do not love your life or anything in the world, does the person put that into action? When it says to follow Jesus and Jesus fasted, did they fast? When Jesus said ask for heaven to come upon you sincerely wanting this, did the person do it?

    There is a way to seek God that’s clearly defined in the Gospels but many don’t see it because finding God is not their concern, receiving a soul that doesn’t sin anymore is far from their mind, knowing they’re evil, hating that fact and asking God for the Spirit of Christ is a joke to them.

    SO they will be a joke for all eternity to God.

    GOD has nothing to prove to you or me, WE have something to prove to God to find Him, we have to be dead set focused on what the word says and to do it.

    The reason what I say makes no sense to you or others is because you’re dead spiritually. Totally blind to all things GOD that make perfect sense.

    YOU never admitted you were evil to God, never believed it in your heart, covered it up thinking its okay, coming to God as Satan does: as one disguised as an angel.

    IF anyone hates being evil asking for the Holy Spirit and not sinning anymore, GOD will come to them too.

    Go on and think what you want, I have nothing to prove to you either, not in the least.

    Just be honest w yourself, have you sought God w all that you have to give?

    IF YES then happy life and see you on the other side.

    IF NOT then ask yourself if you’ve actually made an effort to not sin, admit you’re evil asking God for the Spirit fearing Him and respecting the word of God.

    661-478-0906

    FREE to call me to speak — GOD is real its all you who never sought GOD the right way who are a bunch of lying fakers.

    So go on and do as it says you will do:

    2 Tim 4:3 “For the time will come when men won’t put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they’ll gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They’ll turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

    WHAT WILL GOD DO?

    YOU ARE BORN WITH EVIL IN YOU THAT YOU ARE TO HATE ADMITTING TO GOD THAT YOU CAN’T STAND IT ANYMORE AND HE WOULD HEAL YOU… BUT YOU RATHER LIE to yourselves, fine, go for it!

    They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

  27. says

    For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

    Although they claimed to be wise, they became FOOLS….

    Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

  28. says

    GIRL PAINTS HEAVEN – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzKz3RuZXU0

    GIRL PAINTS HELL – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9KI4rSXw4

    I HAVE SEEN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO ask for the Holy SPIRIT reading the Gospel and they lied to you in church when they said you automatically had it upon entering in the damned to hell doors of that place.

    WE have to read asking for the Holy Spirit while staying Holy and not loving sin and not quitting… did you do this?

    Have you read the New Testament asking for the Holy Spirit from the Father in Jesus name NOT assuming you have it because some schmuck told you so?

    ITS THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD, you’d think that if a person HAD It they’d know right???

    Right! ALL JESUS WANTED OF YOU WAS TO READ THE NEW TESTAMENT IN YOUR ROOM asking for the Holy Spirit and staying honest until you read it all the way not assuming that your own spirit was the Spirit of the Living God, as Satan did… assuming HE was like GOD when HE was far from GOD.

    PEOPLE do that each day in churches leading others astray!

    • 2 Timothy 3:13 – “while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. ”

    • Luke 14:26 – “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters — yes, even his own life–he cannot be my disciple.” HATE is really “love less by comparison.” – In the Greek original.

    • Luke 12:32 – “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give YOU the kingdom.”

    • Matthew 13:46 – “When he discovered a pearl of great value, he sold everything he owned and bought it!”

  29. says

    Jasper, you need to understand that there’s so much learning in LIFE bro that by your 40′s you might not believe in God, but you sure will believe that life was a lesson or two.. for sure.

    We are creatures of higher learning, taking our words and writing them out to share with others in multiple platforms, you were given the ability to suspend unbelief for a short period of time, like to watch a movie, play a game, etc.

    That ‘imagination’ was given for a reason other than games, lies, movies and asking santa for toys, God is real but hidden.

    YOU were suppose to use that suspension of unbelief to ask God to give to you the Spirit of Jesus Christ as well as letting you feel HEAVEN where they are now.

    IF you were never lied to in your life and this was the only fantasy idea there was, you would do it and GOD Would come through and you’d finally find the peace you’ve been searching for.

    Ever wonder how happy dogs and animals are finding it unfair that we’re not like that?

    You can be.

    Take care

    feel free to message me [email protected]

    later

  30. says

    Jasper, you need to understand that there’s so much learning in LIFE bro that by your 40′s you might not believe in God, but you sure will believe that life was a lesson or two.. for sure.

    I agree, although, I try to focus on real things.

    We are creatures of higher learning, taking our words and writing them out to share with others in multiple platforms, you were given the ability to suspend unbelief for a short period of time, like to watch a movie, play a game, etc.

    I wasn’t given the ability. Secondly, watching something like Lord of the Rings isn’t a question of “suspending disbelief”. I don’t start believing that the Lord of the Rings is real. I simply enjoy it for what it is – entertainment.

    That ‘imagination’ was given for a reason other than games, lies, movies and asking santa for toys, God is real but hidden.

    Actually, imagination wasn’t given. You’ve have to demonstrate that claim. It’s a normal part of our processing.

    God may be real, but if it’s not demonstrable, I can’t believe that. It’s strange that he decided to give me a brain, but I’m supposed to stop using it in order to believe in him.

    YOU were suppose to use that suspension of unbelief to ask God to give to you the Spirit of Jesus Christ as well as letting you feel HEAVEN where they are now.

    I did, when I was a believer. Nothing happened. Then I realized it’s all fantasy. But let me guess – I didn’t “do it right”.

    I’m beyond the point of simply taking people’s word for it, or even engaging in delusion-manufacturing would convince me. One of the massive problems about your position is that it’s indistinguishable from delusion. How would you propose that we tell the difference?

    IF you were never lied to in your life and this was the only fantasy idea there was, you would do it and GOD Would come through and you’d finally find the peace you’ve been searching for.

    What I’m searching for is what’s real. We have a pretty good methodology for that – science. No other epistemological framework has been demonstrated to work as well – hell, if at all.

    Ever wonder how happy dogs and animals are finding it unfair that we’re not like that?

    … that ignorance is bliss?

    Happiness is secondary to me. Maximizing how many true things I believe and minimizing how many false things I believe is primary. I then generate satisfaction and “peace” from that.

  31. says

    That’s the thing about people who hold the position that you hold.

    You make a bunch of unevidenced undemonstrated unfalsifiable claims.

    We ask you to support those claims. We then get 30 additional unevidenced undemonstrated unfalsifiable claims.

    We ask you to supposed those additional claims. We then get 150 additional unevidenced undemonstrated unfalsifiable claims.

    … and so on.

    Could you at least try to limit yourself to making claims that are demonstrable true? You’ll be spinning wheels otherwise.

  32. says

    Who loves here without remorse? Who feels hope without secret anxiety & frustration? Who’s emotions are like a duck puddling their butts off while trying to stay looking cool up top? Everyone. Sure moments of fun come, we string them along to get by distracting ourselves to spiritual oblivion, apathy and the hardest heart we can possibly forge for ourselves. At least the corner is open for business for the few people we can love but the truth is that most people are so used to loving “things” like entertainment, games, fun, pleasure and selfish ambition, they can’t love anymore.

    Now we have people who serve other really hard and well, those people will feel satisfaction, but only those people.

    peace

    and love and truth forever.

    RELIGION is for suckers… more like suck ups.

    TRUE seekers head for the mountains or read alone in their rooms asking for a new heart that can love, a new mind that can be in peace and a new Spirit that can overcome remorse and live like a child again.

    ASK For the Living Water from the Father in Jesus Christ’s name. DO IT ONCE SERIOUSLY.

    That’s why people bow… get down and ask and see what God does, ask for three nights to show diligence as HE said.

    THEN come back and report to me nothing happened, AFTER the three days pass and God doesn’t show you.. AT LEAST do this.

    LEAST.

    Do you think that was giving God a fair shake? Everyone owes the sake of truth to read the new testament once asking only for Jesus revealed and the Holy Spirit given.. all the way, diligently… its 195 pages, no excuses, then and only then can you hold any weight in an argument with a theist.

  33. says

    Teleology” (a Greek word like anamnesis). Definition: the answer is always suspended at the end.
    like after you read the Gospel asking for the Holy Spirit and Jesus to be real to you, confessing sins, asking for heaven to be revealed to you. (LAUGH NOW about it when you die and are at hells gates you will cry and beg for it hopefully GOD will not laugh back), at the end comes the the evidence not at the beginning…so faith has to LEAP for there to be an answer at the end (all other experiments would not be teleological but the opposite, causal) …

    The word Atheist means that atheists have made an assumption. In Greek “A” means without, Theos means God. Without God, Therefore the name Atheist is a stance. Atheists have never asked for the Holy Spirit reading the Gospel which is only 190 pages to see whether or not Jesus and God are real. They blindly disregard the possibility of God refusing to treat God’s word objectively so they don’t have to answer to sin, its the classic fight or flight response, choosing flight. Agnostic, once again in Greek, the “A” meaning without , gnosis meaning knowledge and together with the “A” is “without knowing. ” They refuse the Gospel (knowledge of God) therefore not being able to know God.

    God exists because my physical self can’t exist. It’s that simple. I am born, I grow old, I suffer and I inevitably turn into dust. If this is all there is to consciousness, then consciousness doesn’t exist. If consciousness doesn’t exist, then the “non-consciousness” or “void” is God. You can’t escape God stripping man of everything man has, because that’s how nature works. It’s called death, and nothing can escape its gravity. Atheists may try to argue against the relevance of death, but when it draws closer from the works of natural law, they no longer have that egoic convenience of good health and youth. How one can begin to understand God is by coming to terms with the illusory nature of one’s human identity and its dream based lusts. There is obviously a God because if there isn’t a God, then I am a false construct down to the very core of my being, which doesn’t even exist in the first place…LoL. If eternal nothingness is so potent, then why does there really seem to be something right now? I believe the now moment gives us insight into what’s eternally unfolding throughout all time and space. A small blade of grass has more knowledge of reality than an atheist. ALL This and beacuse when I decided to read the New Testament alone in my room over a few weeks asking Jesus for the Holy Spirit thanking the Almighty Father confessing sins and asking and reading, I lasted until page 150 our of 190 before HE came through and HE has been in me, with me, revealing and loving me since.

    Teleology” (a Greek word like anamnesis). Definition: the answer is always suspended at the end.
    like after you read the Gospel asking for the Holy Spirit and Jesus to be real to you, confessing sins, asking for heaven to be revealed to you. (LAUGH NOW about it when you die and are at hells gates you will cry and beg for it hopefully GOD will not laugh back), at the end comes the the evidence not at the beginning…so faith has to LEAP for there to be an answer at the end (all other experiments would not be teleological but the opposite, causal) …

  34. says

    ASK For the Living Water from the Father in Jesus Christ’s name. DO IT ONCE SERIOUSLY.

    That’s why people bow… get down and ask and see what God does, ask for three nights to show diligence as HE said.

    THEN come back and report to me nothing happened, AFTER the three days pass and God doesn’t show you.. AT LEAST do this.

    LEAST.

    Sounds like a mind-altering context that makes hallucinations/delusions possible.

    I asked this before, so you can answer either place…

    Let’s say that I were to do as you suggest, and I come out of it convinced that there’s a God, etc.

    How could I determine whether it’s a delusion or not?

  35. says

    You said YOU TRIED THAT AND NOTHING HAPPENED.

    Please explain to me in detail what you did to try. Please also add exactly what it was that you were asking for and how long you asked and what the process you chose to pursuit God entailed. Thank you for your time by the way.

  36. says

    Well, it wasn’t exactly what you were talking about, on second read. It was what Mormons would flare their nostrils at and call “sign seekers”. So perhaps this doesn’t qualify for what you were talking about.

    I don’t see it as particularly relevant, anyway.

    I’ll ask my question again – How could I determine whether it’s a delusion or not?

    To me, this is absolutely critical question. I’m talking about the basic standards of science that allow us to cut through human error and delusion and get to the actual real truth about reality.

  37. John Kruger says

    Given the chance, he has not responded to any criticisms. We just keep getting new (not even entirely new) walls of baseless assertions. This is clearly a one-way conversation.

    I move he be banned from comments.

  38. says

    I suppose the only way is for God to manifest to you in the physical reality, maybe even unzip the fabric of space time right in front of your eyes on a day you’re just sitting and reading, allow angels to come minister to you, or maybe He will show you things to come in your life in the recent future, specific events that unfold, or Jesus walks with you teaching you on a beach in your dreams showing you visions of heaven, hell and all in between, maybe its a lot more than this. Maybe Heaven is so incredible, feels so good, that when God sends its river down into your heart and body from above, it will surpass all previous cumulative knowledge that you may have on what it means to be loved. Once you hear His voice, see His face and He gives you a hug sending HIS Spirit into you as well, there will be no denying it. Never again. Not many come to this point with Jesus because people are pleasure junkies. They can’t fast from pleasure, suffer reading and not having fun but even fasting. Even a day, to ask God for heaven to come upon them giving God a mere 195 pages of ALL their attention going all out hard core. Then those who do this will know the King as well as their place in the Kingdom that is coming with FULL disclosure as well.

    Sometimes you have to roll the dice to see what happens. I never went to people or church to find God man, I was a former US Marine confused about life reading in my room, going to the hills all day before working at a video store, asking God out loud for heaven to come upon me and the Spirit of Christ to make me ONE with Him revealing to me the truth, IF EDEN was real, I wanted that peace and God revealed bad enough to give God my time and attention and faith, temporarily, to see what happens.

    BUT I did know I was addicted to pleasure seeking. I knew that much and resist all things for the time I sought minus a few slip ups the first week.

    For me there was just too much of a fuss about it not to read it doing what it said.

    Then I could be sure… and GOD came brother, I swear it to be true He even showed me where my mom went when she died a few years later and a lot more than that.

    Nobody asks for heaven, what it FEELS LIKE, to be given to them and to be able to not sin to feel good… as a result.

    ASK For this in Jesus name a week man from the Father in heaven.. JUST a week asking IS THIS POSSIBLE?? Please give it or show me it is… please.. Amen

    SEE what happens my friend… deep down you know SOMETHING exists.

    YOU are always searching for things, always, never finding…

    You are searching for God without knowing it, your subconscious is searching all the time but your conscious side will not allow you to search where it counts, bowing down, asking boldly… wanting it all the time until God does it.

    To give to you the Spirit of Heaven, Holy Spirit, to be ONE w Him.

    Later

    661-478-0906 anyone is welcome to call and have a nice conversation, please keep it real.

    Alex

  39. says

    I suppose the only way is for God to manifest to you in the physical reality, maybe even unzip the fabric of space time right in front of your eyes on a day you’re just sitting and reading, allow angels to come minister to you, or maybe He will show you things to come in your life in the recent future, specific events that unfold, or Jesus walks with you teaching you on a beach in your dreams showing you visions of heaven, hell and all in between, maybe its a lot more than this.

    Empirical evidence is a good start.

    Maybe Heaven is so incredible, feels so good, that when God sends its river down into your heart and body from above, it will surpass all previous cumulative knowledge that you may have on what it means to be loved. Once you hear His voice, see His face and He gives you a hug sending HIS Spirit into you as well, there will be no denying it. Never again.

    Yes, hallucinations can be very vivid and real. How would I distinguish such an experience from a hallucination or delusion?

    … superfluous discussion …

    Okay. Still wanting to know how the claims can be demonstrated as real.

    redacted anyone is welcome to call and have a nice conversation, please keep it real.

    I’m tempted to sign up your phone number with the Obama campaign. Donate once, and they will call you multiple times a day. Forever.

  40. says

    Also you chose an interesting choice of words: “One way conversation”

    The day I decided to read the new testament asking for this Living Water from the belly that I had read about, I went outside and looked up in the woods to a God I had no idea existed for sure or not. I said: ‘I’ll read the whole thing here, all the new testament, I want this hidden manna, Living Water, God to make me ONE with Him through you Jesus, Father God, I will read it all asking this and for you to give the Spirit of Christ to me to be one w me.’ I can’t go to churches pretending its all real for my whole life only to die and find out its real. IF so I need it HERE, as real as it is, HERE… Amen

    Then I asked this staying holy resisting temptations as it said, kept reading, asking, repeating. Nothing happened. Halfway through. SOMETHING happened that has grown since that day HE gave it. Heaven.

    So go on and laugh or don’t, say you’ll care or you won’t, nothing is gonna change the truth.

    • 1 Corinthians 9:24 – “Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training.”

    DID YOU GO into STRICT training while seeking GOD when you believed?

    • Ezekiel 36:26 – “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.”

  41. says

    I’m starting to doubt your legitimacy.

    Your freedom of speech is not infringed, for one, because we aren’t the government, and secondly, because you’re still free to go and spout your nonsense elsewhere that isn’t our house, where we set the rules.

    And by the way – comparing moderation guidelines to Nazi Germany is not a good way to establish credibility.

  42. Kes says

    Oh FFS. You are constantly eliding the truth of your own religious experience. In your original call, you implied, if not outright stated, that you had lost your faith and decided to seek the Christian god personally by meditating on the New Testament. In reading both your statements here and those on your blog (yes, I checked it out. Shudder.), it is clear that you made up this framing in order to appeal to “faithless” atheists.

    You make it very clear that while you may have been having some kind of “faith crisis”, you were in no way entertaining the possibility that there was no Christian god. You merely wanted to subject your psyche to an intense meditative experience in order to confirm your previously held belief in that god. This is not an honest exploration of the limits of faith, but a stunt pulled so that you could get a really good “religious conversion” story to whack over the heads of the faithless fools and scoffers.

    Well I for one am un. im. pressed. As I stated originally, you subjected your brain to intense, if somewhat protracted, religious meditation and shockingly had a mystical vision which confirmed your beliefs. This is not a miracle any more than water released from a dam causing a river to rise. It is simple cause and effect.

    You have spent no time subjected your beliefs to any kind of scrutiny, rigorous or otherwise. In fact, you can’t have read the New Testament too carefully, since you have peppered your theology with ideas about hell, redemption and forgiveness which were developed centuries after the New Testament was written and compiled. You insist in your disdain for organized churches, but make no effort to separate their theology from your original source, in which you place so much emphasis. And while I’m on the subject, you’ve said nothing to prove either the authenticity of the New Testament as the true words of Jesus or make us consider whether or not it should be held as an authority. You just assume it as a matter of course.

    Most commenters here have subjected claims more sophisticated than yours to such skeptical rigor, so I would ask that you do us the courtesy of attempting to sort out some of the points I and others have raised before shooting your mouth off again.

  43. says

    Were you going to provide any scientific evidence at any point, ever?

    So go on and laugh or don’t, say you’ll care or you won’t, nothing is gonna change the truth.

    You’re right. The difference between us is that we use a consistently demonstrably effective method for determining the truth. You aren’t.

    As far as we can tell, your entire view on this topic is supposition and assumption.

  44. says

    SEE what happens my friend… deep down you know SOMETHING exists.

    Yes, I do believe something exists. The universe, my coffee, my cat.. all kinds of things. I believe things exist when they’re demonstrably true.

    YOU are always searching for things, always, never finding…

    Such is my pursuit of making a living.

    You are searching for God without knowing it, your subconscious is searching all the time but your conscious side will not allow you to search where it counts, bowing down, asking boldly… wanting it all the time until God does it.

    No, I’m not. Are you a telepath, because you’re apparently trying to read my mind? I hate to break this to you, but you aren’t very good at telepathy.

  45. John Kruger says

    It is clear to me that you are only posting here to rail against people who defy your beliefs. You cannot even form a coherent argument, you just spill out wild accusations and bold unfounded assertions with a few Bible verses sprinkled in.

    You have been unable to defend your position in any way. You have failed to make your case in any way. All your posts are long dialogues with no back and forth at all. Your threats hold no weight here. I am more convinced than ever that your experience is not genuine, and at best the product of a disturbed mind.

    I will waste no more time responding to you. I pity those who have the patience to keep reading your nonsense.

  46. Jed Deemer says

    Alex, you do realize that mysticism is not the exclusive province of Christianity, right? That many mystics over the centuries have done exactly as you have, and have achieved the same result, just with one important difference: Buddhists have practiced asceticism while reading the Bhuddhavacana, but they weren’t touched by Jesus, they were touched by the Buddha; Sufists in Islam found Allah; Hindu mystics found Krishna or Vishnu; and many others have found the arcane gods of their arcane faiths.

    Are all these gods real? Were all these mystical experiences valid? Is it your contention that any act of mysticism that comes up with a result different from yours is somehow phony?

    The atheist position is simply this: Your god is as real as any other god, i.e., unreal. If it’s your contention that your god is the only “real” one, then I’m afraid you’ll have to do better than merely claiming a mystical experience indistinguishable from a recognizable neurological state, and give us some real, verifiable evidence.

    And, please, you’ve done enough sermonizing; just restrict your response to the questions I’ve asked.

    Thanks.

  47. Jed Deemer says

    Well, your quote from Corinthians seems to imply that only one person can get into heaven (“…only one gets the prize?”). So, who’s the lucky fellah?

    Seriously, it’s sad that this narcissistic prick could have so hijacked this comment section; this really should be all about Ms. McBain, a woman who freed herself from the delusion of faith, and not about someone who chooses to wallow in it.

    Isn’t there a policy against spamming?

  48. says

    I am absolutely horrible about recognizing people I’ve only seen in photos or on TV. My husband and my best friend can spot a person from across a crowded room and say “That’s so-and-so,” and they’re right every time. I will look at the same person and think “Oh, no way…” and I’m always wrong. So, I’m very familiar with people not appearing as I expect.

  49. says

    I didn’t really read your item about what Alex did so much as a judgment about how he spent his time (which seems to be how he took it), so much as a point that he created an environment of hyperfixation around religion and religious imagery–and then seemed to consider the self-fulfilling prophecy of having dreams/visions about religious icons to be a confirmation rather than a mere symptom of what he was doing.

    If I spend a month focusing on my upcoming vacation to the tropics, reading brochures, looking at photos online, talking about it…would it really be miraculous if I started having dreams and experiences reflective of all that focus on the tropics? No.

    It’s a self-induced religious experience, that seems to have no basis in “miracle,” and a totally predictable basis in…well, a self-induced experience.

  50. says

    >I really never cared what other people thought so why start now?

    You seem to care extensively what others think–posting like a mad man at this blog and saying you want to call the show weekly. That doesn’t sound like a person who isn’t interested in what others think…? Just sayin’.

  51. says

    I was going to reply to the comment about seeing people from videos and pictures and then real life.

    it is normal to have trouble dong that. I am a photographer and may be a little better at it than some but still I have the same issue.

    Nothing really matches the seeing of a person prior to actually meeting them.

    having meet most of the people in the ACA public side in person I can say no pictures can match their true presence. LOL anywho.. just a thought

    oh Nice to see you again Teresa!

  52. mike says

    @alexabrahamian

    So after reading 150 or 160 pages of a book thats 190 or 195 or 200 pages long (you seem to change the numbers everytime-you can’t even get something so simple correct) anyways, you found some guy named Jesus who apparently is quite powerful. Ok, so my question to you is did you get your friend Jesus to cure your dying Mom, as that’s the first thing I would have asked my new all-powerful friend for and the main thing I’d be talking about today. So, how’d it turn out?

  53. codemonkey says

    I move he [Alex] be banned from comments.

    Giant walls of text, repeated over and over? Check. Little to no acknowledgement of other points? Check. Random capitalization of whole words? Check.

    I bet if there were easy options for varying text size and color, we’d be seeing something that would rival time cube.

    Ban? Meh. At the very least, I would suggest that you shouldn’t even bother responding to the guy. He’s either demented or he has his ass so far up his own head as to be effectively demented.

  54. Luis says

    This is a blog which is owned, operated and administered by a person/entity. Legally, it is not public, even though it freely allows users to make comments. AXP could decided to terminate this blog and its comments section entirely without having to “ask persmission” from you or anybody else.

    Although I love a good stimulating discussion, at this point all you’re really doing is spamming.

  55. says

    is alexabrahamian really the same guy on the show who was talking about having “tears of bread”? hmmm…

    Anyway, if I had such a “mystical” experience I don’t think I would spend time spamming blogs..For a guy that had encountered “god” he seems, from that experience, really attached now to others opinions and “wordly” stuff (internet, blogs, telephone, e-mail..).

  56. troopdawg says

    Lynnea’s video, very cool question to pose to people – Are you a good person because of Cosmic justice?

    The answer should be no, but I wonder how many would say yes?? I think I’ll try it.

    GREAT VIDEOS!!

    Also a great show. 2 hours FOR THE WIN.

  57. Usernames are smart says

    Awesome!

    So you say, there’s no God, who are you to say?

    Eh? I do not believe that Jupiter is the king of the gods, or that Neith is the goddess of war, or that Tangaroa is the god of the sea. Do you argue otherwise?

    Have you read the ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT asking for the Holy Spirit?

    I’ve read the entire Torah, the Talmud, the “Old” Testament, the “New” Testament, the Book of Mormon, and I’m working my way through the Qur’an. So what? Oh, wait, no, I haven’t “asked” for the Holy Spirit. Why would I ask for something that exists only in myth and superstition?

    For a supposedly all-powerful being, your god seems to be quite…impotent. He doesn’t send you direct, physical evidence of his existence, just “visions.” By the way, peyote (or mescaline) will give you much more intense hallucinations visions. Does that prove the existence of god?

  58. hp9000 says

    I went to bed really hungry the other night. I dreamed of bowl of pasta. Therefore, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real. No, don’t try to convince me that it was my brain after having subjected my body to some extreme diet that gave me those visions. I know the FSM is real because “I felt Him in my belly”.

  59. says

    How can you know if its a delusion or not? What can I tell you to convince you, do words exist for such matters? Certain things you have to experience to understand, no matter how many words are used you must FEEL it in order to fully comprehend the scope of it.

    Like swimming in the ocean or receiving a first kiss, sure I can use words to tell you how the air might smell at the sea, how you can almost taste the salt in the air, the loud crashing power of the waves crashing down and the sound of the concussion it creates or the sand between the toes and under the feet that get slightly harder and more wet and compact until the foam touches your toes. I can tell you about its magnificence all day but nothing short of seeing it for yourself will do justice to it. The same goes for a kiss. Some things you must experience. Why, do you question your own sanity or do you lie to yourself much? IF you have to ask yourself IS THIS real or not, maybe it is… then its NOT.

    ONCE GOD comes there are no more questions or wondering, its not a guessing game, its more certain than the air you breathe.

    Like Neo was told, I can only show you the door. You must walk through it.

  60. says

    How can you know if its a delusion or not? What can I tell you to convince you, do words exist for such matters? Certain things you have to experience to understand, no matter how many words are used you must FEEL it in order to fully comprehend the scope of it.

    So the answer is no. You have no way to distinguish it from delusion. That’s pretty damning.

    Like swimming in the ocean or receiving a first kiss, sure I can use words to tell you how the air might smell at the sea, how you can almost taste the salt in the air, the loud crashing power of the waves crashing down and the sound of the concussion it creates or the sand between the toes and under the feet that get slightly harder and more wet and compact until the foam touches your toes.

    Kisses and the ocean are objectively confirmable. We can get photos of them. We can get actual samples of ocean water. They are actuall real-world things that can be studied and empirically analyzed, though that might screw up the mood of the kissing people.

    Most importantly, multiple people can examine the ocean with a sober mind that hasn’t undergone mind-altering contexts.

    I can tell you about its magnificence all day but nothing short of seeing it for yourself will do justice to it. The same goes for a kiss. Some things you must experience. Why, do you question your own sanity or do you lie to yourself much? IF you have to ask yourself IS THIS real or not, maybe it is… then its NOT.

    I’m not arguing for solipsism. We have the capacity to determine that kissing a person, or swimming in the ocean isn’t just a hallucination. It helps that they’re objectively real things that don’t depend on extreme mind-alteration in order to perceive.

    Not all claims are equal, either. It’s a lot easier to demonstrate to you that I own one car, than it is to demonstrate that I own a million cars. Kissing and swimming gin the ocean are incredibly mundane things.

    Universe and laws of physics creating/violating entities that exist without a brain outside space and time is an extraordinary claim.

    It’s going to take a wee bit more than an induced vision that can’t be distinguished from delusion to demonstrate that.

    ONCE GOD comes there are no more questions or wondering, its not a guessing game, its more certain than the air you breathe.

    Yes, the mind can be convinced. I agree. The mind can be convinced of wrong things – and frequently it is. What is your method for determining whether these beliefs are actually true?

    Like Neo was told, I can only show you the door. You must walk through it.

    Then you can’t convince me. The “quality” of your evidence would also make everything from Islam, to astral projection, to chakras, to a whole plethora of other bizarre wacky claims- because they all rely on this “you have to experience it” notion.

    One of the biggest aspects of science is that it has many mechanisms to cut through human error and subjective layers. Your approach embraces that. The human mind is embarrassingly prone to memory error, perception error, cognition biases, priming, etc. These are real actual psychological phenomenon that have been extensively studied, and right from the get-go, what you’re claiming appears to be indistinguishable from a combination of psychological factors.

    I, on the other hand, am much more interested in ensuring that what I believe is actually true. If that can’t be done with a sober mind, and if it doesn’t manifest in objective reality in any way shape or form, then these claims are incredibly dubious and tenuous and incredible.

  61. says

    I really don’t think you understand how the nature of the claim affects its evidentiary requirements.

    Kissing as a concept can be extrapolated on things I already understand as objectively real. You point out that I have lips, and it’s just you and another person pressing them together. I don’t need to experience it, or even have a photograph of an example to accept that such a thing is likely real.

    I’ve never seen a B-17 (A WWII airplane). I’ve seen photographs of them, and I accept that they’re real. But like kissing, it’s not an extraordinary claim. Not only have I seen other demonstrably objectively real airplanes, but one could argue that they’re basically cars with big fins. Again, the concept is supported by other things in reality, and doesn’t violate anything we know about reality. Thus, the evidentiary requirement is low.

    God, on the other hand, is an extraordinary claim. We have no precedent of demonstrably real gods to examine. We have no precedent for entities creating universes. We have no precedent for entities that can create laws of physics. We don’t have any precedent for laws of physics being created or modified at all. We have no precedent for anything existing outside of space and time. We have no precedent for telepathy or telekinesis or brainless minds. We have no precedent for omniscience, omnipotence, omnibenevolence or omnipresence.

    From start to finish, this concept of God is in violation of known reality. According to most God definitions, he doesn’t even manifest in any kind of detectable way. This has a high evidentiary requirement – perhaps to the point of being insurmountable.

    The only reason we have these concepts at all is because some guys sat around and made them up, and wrote them down in books.

    We can’t distinguish his existence from his non existence.
    We can’t distinguish your “pathway to knowledge” from a “pathway to hallucination”.

    The bottom line is, if you can’t start following the standards of science and evidence, you’re not going to get a whole lot of traction with us.

  62. jacobfromlost says

    Alex: How can you know if its a delusion or not?

    Me: You can test the experience to see it if correlates to specific indicators (such as a specific belief) using falsifiable methodology that can be reproduced, verified, and give you predictive power–the same way you determine if ANYTHING is a delusion or not.

    Alex: What can I tell you to convince you, do words exist for such matters? Certain things you have to experience to understand, no matter how many words are used you must FEEL it in order to fully comprehend the scope of it.

    Me: Words do exist. Moreover, the experiences you are talking about are human ones. Everyone has them, of all religions and no religion. They are not evidence that your beliefs are true. You are simply unable to explain certain experiences (likely because you haven’t done any research into neurology) so fall back on the argument from ignorance.

    Alex: I can tell you about its magnificence all day but nothing short of seeing it for yourself will do justice to it. The same goes for a kiss. Some things you must experience.

    Me: Do you think we have not experienced such things? What makes you think you have powers of experience that we do not? The next thing you’ll be doing is making comparisons to the Matrix.

    Alex: ONCE GOD comes there are no more questions or wondering, its not a guessing game, its more certain than the air you breathe.

    Me: Actually, no. There are plenty of people who were absolutely certain. And then did a little more learning, a little more digging, and found out that they were mistaken. They were relying on confirmation bias, on psychological projection, on mass hysteria, on mythological archetypes, on over generalization, on magical thinking, on pareidolia. And you know how you find this out? By falsifiable methodology–the very same methodology that would EASILY confirm the reality of something IF IT WERE REAL.

    Alex: Like Neo was told, I can only show you the door. You must walk through it.

    Me: Hubris. (Just for a moment consider that you may know less than you think you do, and that others know more. How would you find out if others know more than you do? I have a method that works every time, and I can be sure if they do or do not know more than I do. You have no such method. Or, rather, you do have a method, yet you refuse to use it in this instance…while depending upon it for everything else in your life.)

  63. Verbeana Wonders says

    I think Ray Comfort is an ass. He comes across as a man desperate to make you believe his ideas are true because, let’s face it, that’s his bread and butter. The nicest thing I can say about him is he, like all t.v. preachers, reminds me of the wizard in Oz.

    Loved seeing Teresa. That two hours went by way too fast.

  64. says

    ASIDE from all that I cut myself off, yeah, from what? What do you do that’s so awesome? Play games, shooting things, porn, movies, comedy, what?

    It’s not about what’s awesome. It’s about the fact that if you spend the majority of your free time doing X, it’s not really too surprising that your mind is mostly filled with X and you might occasionally dream about X.

    Have you read the ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT asking for the Holy Spirit? Did you suspend your unbelief

    Have you suspended your unbelief in Krishna and spent a month doing nothing but reading the Bhagavad Gita?
    Would you be surprised if a person who did that had a dream about Krishna? Would you take that as certain confirmation that Krishna was the one, true god?

  65. says

    The New Testament is not long at all, its roughly 195 pages, so many have read it

    Are you using some standard page definition? I have two bibles; in one the NT is just over 200 pages, the other has it at nearly 300.
    Why do I bother pointing this out? Isn’t it rather irrelevant?

    Yes, it is, but I see it as a symptom of your generally sloppy thinking. You toss out terms without clearly defining them. You skip to conclusions without showing how you got there. You make grand proclamations with zero backup.

    If you were trying to convince people, you’re doing a shitty job. I’m sure this ranting style is impressive to those who already agree with you, but to a skeptical audience, you just seem unhinged and silly.

    It might help if you remind yourself that we don’t believe what you believe. It seems to me you haven’t quite understood that because you keep saying things that only make sense to people who already agree with you.
    If you insist on starting from a baseline of your own beliefs, you’ll never convince anyone. You have to start from where we’re at and show us the way from there.

    First, show that there’s a god. Any god at all. Start with that and then we’ll talk. Don’t ask me to give up this and sacrifice that and show my sincerity by this means or another. I’ve been there, done that and it was a massive waste of time.

    If you can demonstrate the existence of god without requiring people to already believe it, then do so.
    If you can’t, then don’t bother, because I can’t tell the difference between you and the guy with the tinfoil hat.

  66. Peter Horsepucky says

    It took 19 hours and 2 minutes from your first post until you fell victim to Godwin’s Law. Congratulations.

  67. nude0007 says

    wow. I mean, just wow. alex says None of the other christians are true believers because they didn’t read the bible alone and fast for 3 days at least? Well, there probably are only a few actual christians on the planet then, say 1444? Why would anyone want to join that club?

    I do agree that religion is crap, the problem is, you are reading out of the bible, which is a religion by every standard. A LOT of apologists try to distance themselves from “religion”, then proceed to pull what we should be doing to get closer to, and curry favor with god, from a RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE.

    So you are professing garbage that even you call garbage, and somehow this is supposed to move us to think you are right about anything?

    Please (seriously) go see a psychiatrist. Some vital level of some much needed chemical is missing from your brain and your body isn’t making more.

  68. jdog says

    I really never cared what other people thought so why start now?

    He didn’t ask if you cared what we thought, he asked if you had the basic capacity to understand how your posts appear to someone who doesn’t believe in the divine.

    Preaching isn’t going to get you anywhere here. We don’t respect rhetoric unless it’s rooted in fact.

    Saying you “used to be like us” isn’t going to get you anywhere here… especially since a cursory visit to your blog reveals that it’s not true.

    Have you ever heard a drug addict talking about how you’ll totally understand how amazing their drug is if you just try it? And how if you didn’t like it the first time, you must have done it wrong and should try it until you get it right?

    That’s exactly what you sound like to us. Please seek help for your addiction before you waste the rest of the one life you can prove you will have on the idea of one that you can’t.

  69. mike says

    Ya, you said all that already- many times. You’ve even repeated yourself word for word as if you copy/pasted yourself, that’s what a one-sided conversation is! People keep asking you questions, like proof or evidence it wasn’t a hallucination, or why this god didn’t help your mother, yet you don’t answer, you just post the same thing with some irrelevant bible verses– Onesided

  70. says

    Jesus speaks to me each night or shows me something relevant. Its been 13 years. I have seen Him not only in dreams but visions awake that are more real than anything in life or tv I’ve ever seen. I wake up feeling power in me literally making this verse true:

    • John 17:20 – “And I do not pray for these (Apostles) alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, 21 so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me. 22 “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they MIGHT be ONE as We are ONE, 23 “I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into ONE, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.”

    ALSO I have done research and found ZERO people who have claimed to have seen Krishna, even if they did which they have not, it makes no difference because its not about seeing things, its about receiving the Holy Spirit of God revealing Him in and to a person to allow them to live without sin and have max pleasure all the time aka heaven within. Krishna doesn’t offer the revealing of God to a person in life, let alone finding God alone without church or others asking something in your room alone, Jesus did all this, just because you have not read the Gospel not sinning cutting off fun to receive heaven within you here doesn’t make Jesus not real it makes you undisciplined and unfaithful to the word of God.

    • Jeremiah 10:12 “The shepherds are senseless and do not inquire of the LORD; so they do not prosper and all their flock is scattered.”

    • Numbers 12:6 – he said, “Listen to my words: “When a prophet of the LORD is among you, I reveal myself to him in visions, I speak to him in dreams.”

    DRUGS ARE EVIL!!!!!!!

    • Revelation 18:23 – “And the light of a lamp shall not shine in you any more at all. And the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you any more at all. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, for by your
    DRUG sorcery all the nations were led astray.” (THE SCRIPTURES 1998 translated from the Alexandrian and Dead Sea Scrolls – the most accurate of all translations.) http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

  71. says

    YOU speak of science and evidence yet we know the 4th dimension exists, read into unified field theory. From Newton to Copernicus, Divine to Pythagoras, the foundations of science were laid down by men who believed the existence of God as to be a natural given. So now we have all these wannabe scientists coming and saying otherwise, who cares what they think, the brightest of minds believed in God so that was enough for me to say GOD MIGHT be real, MIGHT. SO I read the Gospel asking for the Holy spirit and Living Water, asking for Jesus to be REAL to me and not hidden and fake as He seemed to be for those in a church. There’s plenty of historical evidence outside of the bible of Jesus existing as well. So unless you STOP sinning and read the Gospel asking for the Holy Spirit, bowing down, humbling yourself, finishing the read asking aloud without immorality and sin, then you have NO right to tell me what you think. You heard it here first, UNLESS you first walk the walk and read the text you can’t participate in a debate. You wouldn’t be allowed to debate about theoretical physics unless you’d first studied the subject material, so why should this be any different? All these people who say that they went to church for years and were Christians realizing that they were wrong are the ones deluded themselves. They never had the Holy Spirit of Christ, Jesus was never revealed to them, they assumed they had the Holy Spirit of God but never actually received it. Now that’s delusional! FIRST READ THE GOSPEL ASKING ALOUD THEN COME TALK and until that happens you’re like a child beating his fists against the wind. http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

  72. says

    Wow? All you can say is wow? How about we actually run a test with you asking Jesus if HE is real, asking for the Holy Spirit AND Living Water (which is FEELING heaven here) YOU ASK FOR THREE NIGHTS in a row, do not watch anything filthy AT ALL (I’m not accusing you okay I don’t know you, but porn, sexual immorality, even worldly image oriented media is all evil which subconsciously triggers envy in a person, we all want what we don’t have that we see around us, stop comparing yourselves to others, ASK JESUS IF YOU ARE REAL JESUS and if the GIFT of the Living Water from heaven is real then please reveal it to me that its so.) DO this for 72 hours and out of respect for Jesus in the desert for 40 days, minimize your lifestyles as far as sin goes … then come back and tell me what’s real. What you ‘think you know’ is meaningless, what counts is this – IF YOU ASK for three nights what I said and what transpires. I’ve been shown heaven, hell and Jesus and more, its all too real, please listen… peace.

    A friend I knew after I was saved came over and told me he was into meth, after he left I was wondering what happens to good people that do bad things like that.. I asked God about it.. this is what happened that night:
    I was taken out of body by an Angel by the collar from my sleep, like a mut gets picked up by its mother…the neck.

    First I was taken down my own street.. to a building, down a outdoor alley type area to a staircase leading down… I saw three kids smoking meth. They hit, finished and the pipe fell and broke.. They walked away.

    So after the pipe broke and the kids left.. I was lifted high into the clouds immediately by that Angel… i went through the clouds for a little while, really fast though.. ( i was not permitted to look up at the Angel, just saw the clouds in front of me). Then wse started to come down… to a huge field.. just a huge plain field nothing in it…except tiny dots who were people? I wasn’t sure yet.. . just an expanse.. and I was set down… it seemed more real than this earth. I saw far away beings walking around… scattered.. just wondering around… but they looked lit up, not like human flesh and skin, but the blue lightening color lit up.. pretty much what i’d say the stars, lightening looks like, bright.. they were far away, few hundred feet.. I noticed a vehicle approach me… made out of the same material… it came close and the door opened and three male entities came out. Again, they had faces, arms, legs, etc.. but made from this bright material, same as the vehicle they were in too… was like a caravan but shorter and the doors opened and three stepped out. At first, the said, Hey, how are you? I said good.. they laughed, giggling and whatnot.. seemed sarcastic, but not quite evil yet.. they were acting kind of playful. Two were tall and the middle, who was in charge was way fatter and had a wide mouth smile.. he looked a lot like a fat Buddha statue.

    So more smiles and they were really getting off on me, i thought they liked me.. but it was a game… they started laughing saying, oh, welcome welcome.. had a NICE look in their eyes that all of a sudden got SERIOUS and MEAN.. in a split second they FRONTED me like they wanted to kick my ass.

    Then the middle one gave a sick smile to me.. and grabbed my arm.. now as soon as he touched me… fire came on my arm. It started to consume my arm.. and spreading fast in all directions to my lower extremities, sides and up my neck. REAL HEAT.. .like being electrocuted by electricity in the wall.. but more worse.. Horribly worse.. and as he grabbed me… i could see he took a lot of pleasure in this baptism of sorts into HELL… this hell.. Wherever this was. He let go but the fire keep spreading and he was laughing, they all were… and were going back and forth as if they wanted to kick my ass.. like “what’s up.. huh” you know when people go back and forth before they fight like a rooster… so the fire almost consumed all of me man… until i SCREAMED JESUS. As soon as I yelled JESUS, in Armenian, “HEESUUS”

    Which means Jesus… as soon as i said that.. the Angel (which i had forgotten about, I thought he/she had dropped me off and left)…lifted me upwards and the fire remained below and was stripped off of me… as i descended up, the middle one jumped and the other too to grab my foot.. the Angel was too fast and I was 10 feet above them in a split second.. and went up and up..

    I saw that they were confused…like.. HUH.. how the heck did this guy leave?

    They were mad too and I could see how mad they were I was taken away and not partaking in their suffering… and as i was lifted.. I could see from far away the other beings who were making their way towards me.. all looking up and watching me take off.. thousands of em.

    THIS was real.. not fake.. at all.. by any means… this place existed.. and in fact, seemed way more real than reality here.

    so i was taken back in through the clouds and brought back to my apartment and dropped in my body… when that happened i jumped awake.
    I got up and went immediately down my street to see if that place was real where the kids were smoking drugs, I had never gone to that area of my street.. I went.. And it was EXACTLY like that.. And there was a broken meth pipe there too, seeing the glass there gave me shivers down my spine, so I learned what I had seen was REAL TIME.

  73. says

    Mike, lets keep it real, one sided huh? How sure are you that you’re not the hypocrite here? Have you stopped all sin, porn, drugs and the like (not saying you do these but IF you do, have YOU stopped them seeking purity, seeking to be the way you were as a child who didn’t want or need?) Have you asked Jesus for the Holy Spirit for a few nights, asking for Him to give it to you? People who ask for a sign get nothing, those who STOP doing things that are bad in Gods eyes, which results in depression because the only FUN we can really have is doing wrong, so those who stop this (AND only those who stop this) who ask Jesus for the Living Water (feeling heaven in us here) those get Jesus to answer them because they sought righteousness not pleasures through sin. SO at LEAST HOLD TRUE TO YOUR OWN WORDS MIKE, you say one sided? ITS YOU who’s ONE SIDED. YOU who have not repented from sins asking for Jesus to be REAL to you, asking for the Holy Spirit and Living Water, both of which HE said to ask for while NOT LOVING THE WORLD OR ANYTHING IN IT. SO LETS do this – THREE nights you get on your knees asking Jesus IF YOU ARE REAL JESUS and the Living Water is real and Holy Spirit are real, I ask that you reveal it to me, thank you Father in heaven and here I am seeking, you said ASK and it will be given as long as you ask for heaven to come upon us and the Holy Spirit to come upon us FIRST before asking for anything else, so here I am doing that, in Jesus name I ask, Amen. THREE nights Mike, I ask you to do this for a mere three nights, THEN IF JESUS comes through you can go read the Gospel asking for Him to give you what HE shows you is real. HIS SPIRIT and for you to feel the Living Water aka heaven within you here. SCREW religion and all that man made crap and its UTTER crap and men faking the funk to rip each other off or to fill each other with false hopes, etc, CURSED is anyone who tries to find God through me and not going directly to Jesus asking Him to be REAL to them and not hidden and for Him to give HIS Spirit to them so they can enjoy life while not sinning anymore… anything else is a lie. YOU do this three nights and your life will change forever. Much love Mike, peace to you from God Almighty and the Lord Jesus Christ. I hope you take me up on this as to not be a hypocrite because unless you do you can’t argue that its you who’s being one sided… BUT if you do this and nothing happens you can publicly prove me false. REMEMBER try not to sin the three days you ask, be good and be as Christ like as possible. Peace.

  74. says

    SCREW religion and all that man made crap and its UTTER crap and men faking the funk to rip each other off

    Glad you get that. What you’ve missed is that God is also “man made crap.”

  75. says

    I have seen Him not only in dreams but visions awake that are more real than anything in life or tv I’ve ever seen

    You need to go see a doctor. No, really. Stop posting random shit on the internet and go see a doctor.

    ALSO I have done research and found ZERO people who have claimed to have seen Krishna

    Obviously, you’re not a very good researcher. Here’s a hint: talk to some Hindus.

    even if they did which they have not, it makes no difference because its not about seeing things, its about receiving the Holy Spirit of God

    In other words, it’s only legitimate if it conforms to your religious prejudices.

    Krishna doesn’t offer the revealing of God to a person in life

    I’m going to ignore the rest of what you said because you’re clearly ignorant on the subject. I have read the bible, but you clearly haven’t read the Bhagavad Gita.

  76. says

    DO this for 72 hours and out of respect for Jesus in the desert for 40 days, minimize your lifestyles as far as sin goes … then come back and tell me what’s real.

    And when I’ve done this and nothing happens, what excuse are you going to give? I didn’t have enough faith? I wasn’t sincere enough? I should do it for a month next, to show I’m really serious?

    You’re not the first believer to make that kind of challenge, you know. I’ve been there, done that and wasn’t particularly impressed.

  77. says

    thanks Al,

    maybe you are a troll, but anyway…i was a strong agnostic and now reading you all my brain started to realize that theism is totally stupid. I am a new born atheist. Thanks again!

    please, don’t be shy and consult a doc (even a christian one if you want) and/or write novels.

  78. says

    If you pray to Jesus and Jesus has never communicated back to you its called DELUSION. Even Jesus says MY SHEEP hear my voice and I call them by name. So with your logic a person can pray to a God that never speaks back and you call that sanity yet if a person seeks God and Jesus speaks to them its called insanity? That to me is the most twisted of logical conclusion I ever heard. I got my Jesus who speaks to me and you have a Jesus that never has manifested to you, once we die and stand in front on Him what do you think HE sill tell you? Matthew 7:23 “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers”

    MANY times Jesus told me to tell people that its every single believers responsibility to seek to hear His voice and until He comes to them not to quit seeking, reading and repenting.

    LIKE I CHALLENGED EVERYONE ELSE, ASK JESUS TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE LIVING WATER IS ALL ABOUT. ASK HIM TO SHOW YOU ABOUT IT THREE NIGHTS IN A ROW IN PRAYER LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS. HAVE A BIT OF FAITH! IT WON’T KILL YOU! JUST FOR A FEW nights ask JESUS ABOUT THIS!

    TRUST ME HE IS REAL and you will soon find out how real He is, all of TIME revolves around Him!

    • 1 John 2:15 – “Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”
    • Rev 3:20 – “If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”

    • Matthew 6:33 “But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.”

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