I’m developing a bit of a theoretical framework in my head about people who are used to making horrifying generalizations about groups of people and their behaviors. It’s sort of a Dunning-Kruger effect for bigotry. The theory is that the more horrible you are, the more you lose the capacity to understand your own horribleness.
Let me lay this out in general terms before I get specific. Let’s say you’re “a little bit racist.” Over a long period of time where you casually drop slightly racist remarks into your conversations all the time, occasionally people will call you out on this behavior, i.e., “Hey man, that’s kind of racist.” Cognitive dissonance being what it is, you start building defense mechanisms against the people who call you out. “Geez, there sure are a lot of oversensitive people in the world,” you think to yourself. “They call things racist that aren’t even racist!”
Most likely you hang out with people who share your points of view, who are likely to be more racist than the general public, and the window of acceptable speech appears to drift in the direction of more racism. But because you’re already used to regarding people who react badly to racism as “hypersensitive,” when you get even more of those negative reactions you just shift further in the direction of blaming them.
“What the hell?” you’ll eventually write. “When did the world get so blasted sensitive and politically correct? I can’t even make jokes about lynching a nigger without the thought police jumping all over me!”
Such appears to be the case with the Men’s Rights subreddit, an incredibly vile community of proudly self-congratulatory misogynists who are regularly featured on Shit Reddit Says and Man Boobz. It’s also, apparently, a regular hangout for TJ Kincaid, the self-styled “Amazing Atheist.”
If you’re not familiar with him, I forwarded a video about how much he hates feminism to Godless Bitches, who then did an excellent job of picking it apart in episode 2.2.
This morning I woke up to find that my wife Lynnea had been kept awake from an early hour with Someone Is Wrong on the Internet Syndrome, after discovering a MensRights thread TJ started via Shit Reddit Says. I’ll be posting her compiled explanation of what went down, but first here’s my summary, and you’ll see why I was motivated to come up with this Dunning-Kruger effect on bigots.
TJ, going under the handle “terroja,” made a casual wisecrack about raping another poster named Lorrdernie with his fist. The MensRights subreddit being what it is, his fellow posters thought that was awesome. Then it somehow became even funnier when he was informed that Lorrdernie was in fact a rape victim.
Never one to give up on a good joke, TJ then says:
“I think we should give the guy who raped you a medal. I hope you fucking drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow.”
After the ShitRedditSays brigade poured in to point out that this comment does, in fact, make him a horrible person, he proceeded to post a whiny, self-pitying video log about how much they hurt his feelings, and how it’s futile to argue with feminists.
I wish I could tell you I’m making this up.
What follows is Lynnea’s trace of the thread from its inception. I understand that it’s been pulled now, but much of it has been preserved with screen shots.
So, TJ, The Amazing Atheist has had a violent clash against feminists. Summary: He, under the handle “terroja”, deliberately tries to trigger a rape victim by telling zir that zhe deserved/deserves to be raped that he would rape people, and then winges about being called out on his cruel behavior.
Here’s a screenshot displaying the thrust of the things he said.
ShitRedditSays posts detailing the comments can be found here and here but they can be tough to wade through. [Note, on the ShitRedditSays (SRS) forum, as joke flair, positive comments display a negative sign in front of them. Posts on other reddit forums have numbers displayed normally.]
You can also easily scroll through all the things that TJ has said here, although the comments will be displaced with time.
A reddit user named ICumWhenIKillMen (full title: ICumWhenIKillMen ~not even joking~ acquitted by the misandrist court system) uses the ShitRedditSays forum to draw attention to a reddit post where users bravely state that disabled people do not deserve the title of “hero”.
TJ, fails to receive any support for his comment “I love how the whiny feminist morality brigade upvotes a user named ‘ICumWhenIKillMen'” on the original post, so he creates a new post with the same name in the MensRights forum to draw attention to the original reddit post. (The MensRights forum is famously misogynist, as can be seen by this month-spanning SRS post.) He adds the clarifying comment, “Personally, I have no problem with whatever username a person wishes to select. But for those uptight cunts who devote a significant portion of their lives to bemoaning the prevalence of misogyny to then openly celebrate the misandry that they claim doesn’t exist displays hypocrisy on a level beyond the ability of any rational person to fathom or justify.” – Link
The ShitRedditSays forum notices TJ’s attempt to garner misogynist support, and both explains the name and calls him out for caring more about the name than the content of the poster.
Choice first-reponse quotes that support feminism:
“…Its not “our” fault these roles were started long ago and pointing the finger to women isn’t going to fix the problem…” –WhyDoIHavetoSayThis
“…I suspect much of this sort of thing is largely a result of patient, polite explanations about the way men behave – especially on the Internet – haven’t really been effective. After awhile, a sense of futility sets in…” –HowlingStatic
“Hey keep calling other human beings “cunts” I heard it really helps convince them that your logic is sound and they are mistaken” – thewalking
One of the moderators of ShitRedditSays even chimes in:
“Look stupid. What we are doing there, as everyone here in this room now understands, is we are using an exaggerated form of the rhetoric and the implied values of Reddit to satirise the rhetoric and the implied values of Reddit. And it is a shame to have to break character and explain that. BLEARRRRRRRGHHHH” [link from original poster] –ArchangelleDworken
Of course, this probably wouldn’t have happened if TJ hadn’t replied to the criticism with hatred right from the bat:
“I don’t ‘get’ satire. God, I’m such an AMAZING atheist. smug” –AFlatCap
to which TJ replies:
“I’m going to rape you with my fist.” [along with another post that got self-deleted] –terroja
AFlatCap compares TJ’s “triggering” language to the dictator Yahweh (the majority of the post being a comparison to Yahweh), to which TJ replies first that he doesn’t believe in “triggering” language (link1, link2), and that he will “make you[Lorrdernie] a rape victim if you don’t fuck off.” then replies immediately, “That was a joke, by the way. Did it trigger you? I hope it did.” (link1, link2)
When Lorrdernie replies that he/she is actually a rape victim, TJ goes all-out trying to trigger Lorrdernie:
“Yeah. Well, you deserved it. So, fuck you. I hope it happens again soon. I’m tired of being treated like shit by you mean little cunts and then you using your rape as an excuse. Fuck you. I think we should give the guy who raped you a medal. I hope you fucking drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow. Actually, I don’t believe you were ever raped! What man would be tasteless enough to stick his dick into a human cesspool like you? Nice gif of a turd going into my mouth. Is that kind of like the way that rapists dick went in your pussy? Or did he use your asshole? Or was it both? Maybe you should think about it really hard for the next few hours. Relive it as much as possible. You know? Try to recall: was it my pussy or my ass?” –terroja
Lorrdernie remains strong against TJ’s attempts at triggering, but TJ continues to berate Lorrdernie:
“No, I’m not mad. I’m just trying to trigger you. It’s not working, I guess. So, I guess the whole triggering thing is bullshit after all?” –terroja
“BTW, you have to admit, when I told you that I hope you drown in rape semen, you got a little wet, didn’t you? It’s okay. We’re friends now. You can share.” -terroja
“Then imagine the rapists with muscle, dumb ass. It’s your sick fantasy, not mine, you daft cunt.” –terroja
“I don’t believe in triggering. So, what I did was, in my mind, completely harmless. And you weren’t triggered. So, what was the real harm? You realized I was joking. I even stated that I was. So, for that joke, I deserve to be stabbed? I mean, do you not see how fucked up that is? Are you even a human being?”-terroja
“I am aware of the pretense offered for your violent tendencies towards me. Also, I’m pretty sure I could rape you without getting killed if it was really on my agenda. I mean, you didn’t kill the first guy, right?” –terroja [Note: Lorrdernie had already pointed out that his/her rapist was a female.]
He simultaneously replies to other people on other threads with denial of the patriarchy, slurs, and insistence that he’s anegalitarian, and that he’s not a woman-hater because he’s engaged to a woman.
Towards the end of the rape thread, veerserif makes a long post shaming TJ for his actions. “…I now know that, apart from being misguided, intentionally ignorant, and quick to resort to pathetic excuses, you are also a purposefully hurtful person with no sense of empathy, and no sense of remorse…” –veerserif
to which TJ replies that he’s hurt by this reaction, not because of his impact on other people, but because of the impact on himself:
“…I cant believe someone out there feels such genuine, seething hate for me…” –terroja
Unable to fight against the reddit backlash, he creates a video whining about the feminists who mistreated him so terribly:
“…Literally my existence pisses them off. I’m a white, male who doesn’t believe in the patriarchy. So, that alone is enough. The fact that I actively go after them, well, that’s just the cherry on the fucking Sunday. (sighs for a while) Man, man, man…Why do I do this, to myself?…” -excerpt from the transcript by throwingExpectations.
Meanwhile, here are some other fine blogs that have taken the subject and run with it: