A Voice for Me – Paul Elam vs Matt Binder

If you didn’t catch it earlier?

However? I have a small rebuttal to make. Janet Bloomfield and Karen Straughan. Google Them To See What they are all about. Because some of their stuff won’t show up on google.

Janet Bloomfield

Steubenville Rape Victim

Another Classy Piece

Further Class

And Karen Straughan (caution… Wall of text hits for Maximum Damage)

Afghanistan for women is good!

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  1. m0fa says

    Binder makes a famous classic blunder (the other famous one is never get involved in a land war in Asia), Binder makes the blunder of debating ‘feminism’ in a public arena. Does Binder not know that this is NOT done? Feminists have been avoiding debate for decades because they have no evidence to support their claims. Binder does embarrass himself, and his little ‘trick’ reaps no reward (just because Hitler and Carl Sagan both like vanilla ice-cream does not mean that they share any other beliefs or philosophies).

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  3. Doug Spoonwood says

    Binder’s arguments were weak in many spots. At one point he mentions that 1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime and about 3% of American men — or 1 in 33 — have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. This argument is very weak. How so?

    Those figures appear to come from RAINN https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims who got them from a 1998 CDC survey. What is the definition of rape used in that survey?

    “Rape was defined as an event that occurred without the victim’s consent, that involved the use or threat of force
    to penetrate the victim’s vagina or anus by penis, tongue, fingers, or object, or the victim’s mouth by penis. The defini-
    tion included both attempted and completed rape. The following questions were used to screen respondents for
    rape victimization:1

    [Female respondents only] Has a man or boy ever made you have sex by using force or threatening to harm you or
    someone close to you? Just so there is no mistake, by sex we mean putting a penis in your vagina.

    Has anyone, male or female, ever made you have oral sex by using force or threat of force? Just so there is no mis-
    take, by oral sex we mean that a man or boy put his penis in your mouth or someone, male or female, penetrated your
    vagina or anus with their mouth. Has anyone ever made you have anal sex by using force or threat of harm?
    Just so there is no mistake, by anal sex we mean that a man or boy put his penis in your anus.

    Has anyone, male or female, ever put fingers or objects in your vagina or anus against your will or by using force or

    Has anyone, male or female, ever attempted to make you have vaginal, oral, or anal sex against your will, but intercourse or penetration did not occur?”

    The definition comes as problematic since apparently only holes can get raped by objects, but a penis cannot. A dildo can penetrate a vagina, as a penis can get made to penetrate a fleshlight… both are rape. Also excluded from the definition of rape comes as rape by a hand-job. And in general, getting made to penetrate any object whatsoever gets excluded from the definition. A penis can also get made to penetrate a mouth. This conflicts with the phrase “victim’s mouth” in the definition since the victim of such a rape by a nonconsensual blowjob could come as the male a priori.

    I have no idea why the first question exists without a similar question for male respondents.

    The second question concerning oral sex specifically defines oral sex as the man or boy putting the penis in the victim’s mouth. That further indicates that cases where the perpetrator comes as the individual with the mouth “enveloping” the penis gets excluded as a form of rape.

    The third question excludes fingers or objects enveloping the penis, or equivalently making the penis penetrate objects and the nonconsensual handjob.

    And the last question excludes anyone attempting to make a penis penetrate an object.

    The 2010 NSIVS further indicates that if you have a more gender-neutral definition of rape, that you will find very different numbers than the above survey indicates http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/.

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