It”s no secret that the tragic murders by Elliot Rodger are effectively the news of the week.
But there is one group of people who had to intervene.
It is no secret right wing Americans and the NRA defend guns to the hilt as a method of rejecting tyranny by killing beer cans and paper silhouettes. And that when guns are used to kill the usual parade of the NRA begins. This time powered by Joe the Plumber. The man who proved that complete pig ignorance was the driving force of the Tea Party and that Joe the Plumber seriously supported laws and plans that were harmful to himself.
I’m not talking here about the three tragic murders Rodger committed by stabbing before his driving and shooting spree; I speak now only to the families of the gunshot victims in Santa Barbara
This is something we must remember. The people killed by Rodger in his house were not by gun shot wounds but due to being stabbed and bludgeoned with a hammer and a knife. Just “keep it in mind, there is a point later”.:
It’s a tragedy.
I am sorry you lost your child. I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now. But:
As harsh as this sounds – your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I notice Joe the Plumber is NOT part of a well regulated militia since that exists. It’s called the US Army and the National Guard. The USA is not a society like Israel where every person has to serve (unless they are Orthodox Jewish and even that is changing) or Switzerland but they have a professional army thus not requiring a Militia and if anything the Well Regulated part is what people are trying to do. Most people in the USA who own guns do not belong to any Militia and those that do belong to one are not well regulated by loose Confederations of Bear Gryllz style survivalists who buy expensive and pointless gear and think manliness is being stupidly under-prepared, destructive and lacking traditional skills. I have long compared survivalists as people who just get by versus camp crafters as people who thrive.
These militia are not planning to survive the “Apocalypse” but are planning to become bandits.
What Joe the Plumber knows about constitutional rights can be summed up in one word. “Nothing”. Incidentally it is what Joe has in compassion. In the wake of a terrible tragedy where people are desperate for answers, Joe’s response is “Sorry for your loss but no one takes my guns or makes me have to prove that I am a responsible human being before I purchase it! If we don’t have guns for all people then how will we be safe and free!”
Funny thing is guns didn’t make the world safe that day. All the Right Wingers suggesting that such events don’t happen in gun rich societies yet in every case the guns were purchased legally.
Richard Martinez, whose son (Christopher) was among the murdered, choked back tears at a news conference, blaming politicians the next day: “The talk about gun rights. What about Chris’ right to live?” Martinez said – and much more.
No, what he was against was the dialogue of people like yourself. Who push guns and fetishise their use. Your handguns do not fight tyranny.
They kill people. That’s all they do. That’s their sole purpose. To Kill Humans. You don’t hunt with a handgun.
There are times when such amendments need to change. In all the claims of constitutional accuracy, Joe never calls for a legalisation of slavery because he knows people would call him an idiot. He has a vested Interest in gun ownership and that vested interest is due to the Right and Far Right’s fetishisation of gun usage that I often call the “Cult of Guns”.
There are no critical words for a grieving father. He can say whatever he wants and blame whoever he’d like – it’s okay by me. You can’t take a step in his shoes – at least I can’t.
But the words and images of Mr. Martinez blaming “the proliferation of guns”, lobbyists, politicians, etc.; will be exploited by gun-grab extremists as are all tragedies involving gun violence and the mentally ill by the anti-Second Amendment Left.
While forgetting the right to live. To Joe the plumber the cost other people pay for his guns is acceptable. Mainly because Joe pushes the Right Wing Libertarian view that can be summed up simply.
I don’t want any rules because the lack of rules benefits me and I don’t really care about other people unless something goes horrifically wrong for me.
As a father, husband and a man, it is my responsibility to protect my family. I will stand up for that right vehemently. Please believe me, as a father I share your grief and I will pray for you and your family, as I do whenever I hear about senseless tragedies such as this.
The joke here being that he clearly doesn’t care, what he cares about are his guns. He isn’t defending his family or protecting them. All he is doing is encouraging a gutting of public services, increasing of the wage gap, increasing poverty and a kicking of support mechanisms because he has a pacifier. That all the lack of safety created by his ethos will not touch him because he has a gun.
The gun is a security blanket.
We still have the Right to Bear Arms and I intend to continue to speak out for that right, and against those who would restrict it – even in the face of this horrible incident by this sad and insane individual. I almost said “Obama Voter” but I’m waiting for it to be official.
Classy… Way to utilise a tragedy to try and attack Obama for no adequate reason. Yes. If you voted for Obama he will whisper in your ears as you dream and you will go on rampages. Because mixed race people have that power you know.
Rodger being an Obama voter is as relevant to the conversation as his consumption of bread.
I noticed the mainstream media have stopped the practice of immediately reporting the psycho maniac is a conservative Tea Party Republican Christian. Guess they’re sick of having to hide being wrong every time when it comes out the whacko votes Democrat?
Joe seriously thinks a discussion about gun legalisation is an invalid after a gun rampage and inappropriate. But bashing democrats and calling the mentally ill “whackos” really helps!
Mr. Martinez and anyone calling for more restrictions on American’s rights need to back off and stop playing into the hands of the folks who merely capitalize on these horrific events for their own political ends.
That’s the joke. Joe is so blind that he doesn’t realise he is doing the same thing.
They don’t care about your family or your dead children at all. They sound like they do, whereas I sound uncaring and like I say, harsh. Don’t be fooled – I care about your family and mine. The future of our very liberty lies in the balance of this fight.
This from the same man who thinks liberty is best served by encouraging poor people to remain poor and reduce their freedoms by creating a system where freedom is associated with wealth.
In conclusion, I cannot begin to imagine the pain you are going through, having had your child taken away from you. However, any feelings you have toward my rights being taken away from me, lose those.
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher
PS: To the parents of Elliot Rodger’s stabbing victims: I’m very sorry for your loss. I’m sick to death every damn time I turn around and some poor soul with obvious violent mental sickness is allowed to exact this kind of pain on a family.
Elliot Rodger deserved help, yes – but your child deserved so much more. I’m very sorry and sad for you.
Most people who are mentally ill are not violent but are victims of it. And it is rather strange that so many young white men are so dangerously mentally ill since it seems to be them shooting up random bystanders for poorly explained reasons.
And the reason we don’t legislate hammers or knives is that hammers and knives kill incidentally. A hammer’s purpose is to hammer nails in general. A knife is useful in cutting things like food. Abusing them kills people.
The gun’s sole purpose is to kill. And that is why we need to regulate it.
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