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May 06 2014

Dr. Tony Evans – Christians Right about Homosexuality, Wrong on Slavery

Tony Evans is on Christian Post discussing that well known Christian issue of homosexuality and how it’s the Church’s job to tell us all how to not approve of gay people.

NEW YORK — Dr. Tony Evans, pastor of Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship church and president of The Urban Alternative, recently shared his perspective on why the issue of homosexuality is unavoidable in today’s cultural climate, and explained why he believes Christians cannot afford to remain silent or compromise on “God’s standard about sexuality and the family.”

No, what Christians cannot afford to remain silent on is the deepening economic gap. The ridiculous notion that hard work does not reward people in the USA. The “American Dream” is just that. A fantasy that exists only when you close your eyes and fall asleep.

You dream that somehow hard work will let you become a Rockefeller. Sadly, the new Rockefellers stop you becoming one. People still are proud that poor Americans on minimum wage may have to hold two jobs and require income support to make a living.

And a lot of those poor Americans are black.

And I noticed the standard about sexuality and the family and am reminded by other standards we have chosen to ignore.

CP: The issue of homosexuality and same-sex marriage seems unavoidable nowadays. Why do you think that is?

Evans: “I think this issue has taken a dominant position in the Church and in the culture because it does infringe on the re-definition of the family. With that redefinition, it’s weighted heavier in terms of its implications both for, not only the family, but then how the Church functions in light of it, and how the Church interacts with the culture in light of it. It seems to have a much greater potential impact than other sins, and that’s why it gets the dominant attention it’s receiving.

I am sure the good reverend does well to forget the fact that our current idea of family is not a Biblical one which is the patriarchal joint family. For instance? My father’s brothers live together in one house with their wives. They each have a separate room. At one point  that house had four generations of a family. My great grandparents, grandparents, uncles and cousins.

That was traditional family. The Nuclear Family killed it. One can argue that it enabled selfishness and a lack of family values. I mean sons and daughters stopped caring for their parents (Honor Thy Father) in their old age and struck out and kept their incomes for themselves.

The respect for the oldest male son, that has eroded too.

Yet we suddenly protect the non-Biblical nuclear family.

CP: What’s your response to critics who say Christians that harp on homosexuality are being hypocritical by appearing cold on other issues, like divorce and adultery?

Evans: I would say to a degree that they are correct. The Bible is clear that sex outside of marriage is sin no matter what the context is, other than the male-female marital relationship. So to skip that and just harp on this one sin, they’re absolutely correct. But, they’re incorrect when they make the repercussions equal. Because the repercussions, or consequences of homosexual sin that leads to homosexual marriage and thus the redefinition of the family, that consequence is greater. While all are sin that’s outside of marriage, all don’t necessarily carry the same consequence, and making that distinction I think helps to deal with the issue a little more pragmatically.

I assume the punishment for adultery is killing adulterers? Very progressive Mr. Evans.

My Aunt’s a divorcee. Mr. Evans would have forced her to remain with her violent husband.

And would argue that this makes him a moral human being.

CP: When you speak of “consequences,” are you speaking in terms of everyday life and how we are affected in society and culture, or in terms of how God judges those sins?

Evans: It can be how God judges the sin. For example, there are illnesses and diseases that are more poignantly connected to homosexuality than typically heterosexual relationships, although there can be consequences there, too. We have to leave that with God, because God determines the consequences, we don’t. At the same time, we have to recognize that there are consequences and from our pulpits, proclaim that and proclaim that consistently, not just with this sin but with any sin that violates God’s standard, with the goal of bringing that person out of the sin and into a proper standing with God.

As I have said before. God hates gay people.

Big Big fan of Lesbians though.

II am sure Mr. Evans enjoys a good ham now and then. I wonder what Jehovah would think of that should he exist. Maybe a good shrimp too.

CP: How do you speak to Christians who are dealing with unwanted same-sex attractions?

Evans: I would speak to them the same way I would speak to a heterosexual person that has illegitimate feelings toward females or males — It’s a sin, no matter how you feel about it or what your orientation is. I’ve talked to men who feel like they’re overly sexual, and therefore are attracted to any female who walks down the street. I will not excuse his activity with every female just because he feels driven in that direction. We’ve got to bring that passion under the lordship of Jesus Christ, like we have to bring any passion under the lordship of Jesus Christ, and that includes same-sex attraction.

When we wonder why the GLBT face higher levels of depression and suicidal ideation? Point them to this line. If everything is a sin, then everyone is a sinner and everyone needs to pray.

The fact is none of the feelings you have for the same or opposite gender are sins. They are facts. Now you may choose to control them due to promises of fidelity. Or you may not have a promise of fidelity to break. But what is important is the fact that none of them are universal sins so heinous that you are doomed to hell fire, not when there exist worse insults to humanity.

CP: It is not uncommon for critics to question the Christian confession of believers who affirm LGBT relationships. Is it OK to question their faith, or is it possible to be a Christian who maybe believes wrongly on certain issues?

Evans: Christians historically have believed wrong on issues. Take slavery, they believed wrong on that issue for generations and it had just repercussions that were staggeringly negative for our culture and my community. So it is possible to be Christian and to believewrongly and practice wrongly.

Now that gets to what is the Gospel, and of course the Gospel is faith in Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sin. But at the same time, everybody who’s a Christian does not necessarily inherit all the benefits of being a Christian, nor are they always consistent with their Christian beliefs. If people are taught wrong, raised wrong or haven’t taken the Bible seriously enough, then they can go into academic error, emotional error, psychological error. I mean they can show up in a lot of different ways.

I must disagree with Evans here.

The Bible is clear on the issue. Slavery and Genocide are not universal evils and are acceptable in certain situations. Not just acceptable but Biblically so.

Leviticus being a direct (allegedly… considering Harry Potter is a direct telling of the beliefs of Dumbledore and we take that with a pinch of salt. All I am saying is that the Bible needs to be taken with a pillar of salt) dialogue from god shows that not only is he pro-slavery but giving out rules about it.

In the word of a Christian who “debates” me a lot, why is Slavery immoral. What objective source declares it immoral. How dare you judge god by your human ideals. Maybe he had an ulterior plan.

Sure. An all powerful magic being wants you to not eat pork and shrimp, kill gays and keep slaves and he is the moral one.

While the Church has laudable members who fought against slavery, the fact of the matter is they fought against slavery because they felt it was morally incorrect and found scripture to support their claims. Not because they found it biblically incorrect. That was the South’s defence of it.

The same book that damns homosexuals, damns slaves too.

And yes you may hide it behind academic error and erroneous teachings but the Bible uses the term slave and allows you to beat them and trade them and purchase them and decide what to do with them. It’s not slavery, it is indebtured labour is just calling a spade a mechanical device for leverage of soil.

CP: Do you think pressure will increase for Christians in America in terms of freedom to speak out on some of these issues?

Evans: The pressure is already increasing, because it’s such a dominant issue in the culture. It’s become not only a moral issue, but a legal issue, an ecclesiastical issue and a political issue. It’s all over, so we feel the pressure. A lot of money is being spent to support this issue, so that expands the pressure. But Christians throughout history have had pressure. Our goal is not to yield to the pressure. Our goal is to take our stand with Scripture and let the chips fall where they may, but that stand needs to still be taken in love.

It is a ghastly dialogue where the notion that freedom of speech is being curtailed.

Had the KKK demanded the freedom to speak about the evils of the “negro” Mr. Evans would be first on the line demanding they be silenced for hate speak. Yet demands a specific protection for his god’s bigotry against the GLBT.

And yes, your goal has been to not yield to pressure.

But here is the thing Mr. Evans. No one wants to Gay Marry You. Your marriage is no way affected.

This is like throwing your toys out of the pram because someone has called a car a car despite it having a Diesel engine on the inside.

CP: There’s the longstanding reputation that the Black Church has in America of being silent on the issue of homosexuality, of perhaps having a policy of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” What are your thoughts on that?

Evans: I do think we’ve been far too silent on the issue. When you have the unraveling of a culture like we’re experiencing — 70 percent of your children being born out of wedlock, the absenteeism of fathers and husbands. When you’re dealing with this … we must speak to the moral issues and we must speak to the family issues that affect us so personally and so deeply.

We need more pulpits, many more pulpits holding to God’s standard about sexuality and the family and not reducing that standard for political or social or convenience reasons. We’ve got to take that stand. If not, we will be contributing to the disintegration of the community and culture that we have been sworn to protect spiritually.

The solution to this is not “Insert Jesus”, the solution to this is to promote the economic stability of family and the continued education of the community. Also? That perhaps improving a system that does not pay a living minimum wage by portraying the majority of it’s workers as children earning pocket money as an excuse to keep rates low.

That’s going to do more to create stability than “pulpits” or abandoning the GLBT within the African American community and claiming they are shameful or indecent or sinful or going to burn in fire.

4 comments

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  1. 1
    Louis Farrakhan

    Faggots are cockups of nature!

    They are handicapped!

    They are directionally challenged!

    They do things arseways!

  2. 2
    tiko

    Wow homophobia and ableism in the first comment.

  3. 3
    Kevin Kehres

    100 years from now, pastors the world over will be telling people Christians were always for gay marriage.

  4. 4
    smrnda

    First, when it comes to risk, lesbian sex is pretty safe, which means at least for lesbians, the RISK RISK RISK! argument goes out the window.

    Second, I note that it’s evangelical Christians who seem to believe that sexual attraction is the foundation and greatest motivation for relationships, but in a repressive subculture which polices gender norms and such, it might make sense, but this is not how anything works outside of the bubble.

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