I got this from someone demanding I respond to this “stellar” argument.
It is no surprise that most of our cultural “anxiety” over the Gay Man (and really it is the gay man that we fear). And what we fear are two things.
1. The Leather Daddy – The stereotype being that this leather clad lothario will ravish us in our sleep.
And we may like it….
2. The Effeminite Stereotype – The stereotype being that all our children will be like this and somehow western civilisation will fall because we can no longer wrestle bears without chipping a nail.
Unless that’s what you are into.
Jokes aside? Hatred of homosexuality is entrenched in religion. Deeply so. It is what taints our bias towards this. It is what makes us go “Eurgh”. Because for centuries it was taboo. It was acceptable to kill it’s practitioners and torment and torture them.
In Manchester there is a statue to Alan Turing. I have criticised “Big Tech” before. Not one of the major corporations donated to the memorial of the father of modern computing because he was gay. The giant whose shoulders they stand on was killed by our bigotry.
And by our “medicine”. So Steve Hickey’s fan boys sent this in. PZ Myers already laughed at it. It is only fair we take a look at the good Politician’s Demands for medicine to do its duty.
A One Way Alley for the Garbage Truck
Rep. Steve Hickey, District 9, Sioux Falls
Is this a reference to anal sex? I don’t think you understand how that works.
Consider this an open letter to the medical and psychological communities in South Dakota. The subject is homosexuality, which is about to be a front-page topic for the next few years in our state. I’m asking the doctors who practice in our state, is the science really settled on this issue or is it more the case that you feel silenced and intimidated?
The year is 1950. The fear is the Communist Homo Gay smuggling nukes under your beds and sausages into your sons.
Why is homosexuality a front page topic anymore? Really? Some guys fancy guys. Some ladies fancy ladies. Some people fancy both. Some people have a different gender identity than their sex. Some people have weird likes of sexual things. Well weird by our standards of course. We are always normal even if we are vehemently against homosexuality in public while taking rent boys on meth snorting trips for “massages”. What we do is normal.
Homosexuality is not normal because we still care what a man does with another willing adult in private sexually. This isn’t plotting to kidnap the president. This is just two dudes fucking. What the fuck do I care? We have bigger problems than worrying about policing what people stick their genitals into for their jollies.
The science is settled on the issue. Homosexuality is part of human sexuality, is older than the Bible and frankly you should give it a rest.
Certainly there are board-certified doctors in our state who will attest to what seems self-evident to so many: gay sex is not good for the body or mind. Pardon a crude comparison but regarding men with men, we are talking about a one-way alley meant only for the garbage truck to go down. Frankly, I’d question the judgment of doctor who says it’s all fine.
Gay Sex is not good for the body.
Neither is straight sex. It causes incredible changes to your physiology if done wrong. One of you will gain weight. You may vomit copiously. Your spine will be bent out of proportion and hurt. Your feet will swell up. You will eat weird things. Mayonnaise on chocolate for example was my mum’s. You may even create some amalgam of man and woman’s DNA that lives with you for 18 years, eats all your food and spends 25% of it’s time pooping and crying and throwing tantrums.
You don’t have sex with the worst scenario in mind in the same way that you don’t drive a car expecting car crashes.
Anal Sex is risky for both men and women. There are straight men who enjoy anal sex too. There are women who enjoy it. There are people in various sexual and gender orientations who like it. It is a risky sex act compared to vaginal sex but you take precautions. Lube. Communication. Condom
And Consent. The biggest problem the Gay Community Has is the spread of STDs because Straight Men and Women fear pregnancy so have higher rates of condom usage. HIV is still rife among the gay community and 3% of the population provide 50% of the HIV cases. It makes sense to use protection.
And here is the thing. Not All Gay Men Like Anal Sex.
And your comparison is stupid since we urinate out of our penises and we have no qualms in shoving that into various orifices of other human beings for pleasure. Not once do we say “Well that’s only fit for sewage to come out”.
And this doesn’t even bring oral sex into the equation.
South Dakota docs, it’s time for you to come out of the closet and give your professional opinion on this matter like you capably and responsibly do on all the others. Somehow the message we are presently getting from the medical community is that eating at McDonalds will kill us but the gay lifestyle has no side effects. Truth be told it seems self-evident the list of side effects would read far longer than anything we hear on a Cialis commercial.
It is my professional opinion that GLBT are absolutely harmless and the biggest pressure on them is the bigotry of others and in the case of T the unease of being in the wrong shaped body.
No, eating too much at McDonalds will kill you. In the same way that eating too much sugar will kill you. Gay Lifestyle has no side effects really.
Providing you have safe sex there are no downsides to being gay
No. Wait. I can think of one. Stubble Rash…
If many are indeed wearying of our religious community leading on these morality issues, and believe also those of us in the legislature should butt out too, it’s time for the medical community in our state to be honest with us. If you don’t speak up, this issue will be decided by five unelected judges on the Supreme Court regardless of what states like ours have decided by public vote.
This is not a morality issue. This is an issue where people’s sexual preferences are being legalised or illegalised. Gay Sex is super duper risky.
Well guess what? Gay Sex among women is super duper safe. Even unprotected gay sex in women transmits STDs at a lower rate than heterosexual penis in vagina sex. Does that mean you are going to stop having sex? No that’s stupid. You are just going to take precautions.
This indeed is a matter of being on the wrong side of history considering that historically, homosexuality has been a notable marker of the downfall of past civilizations, not their rise. It’s not hate for a physician to speak up about something that is harmful to human health. It is not unloving to tell people you don’t have to have sex with and marry someone to love and be loved by them. As one who performs marriages and counsels couples as part of my professional life, marriage is the last thing I’d recommend to someone who simply wants to be loved and legitimized. What do other health care and mental health professionals in our state really think?
Historically it was okay to own another human being as property and smack your wife because she was giving you too much lip.
Just saying Historically? Most people were on the wrong side of our morality.
It is unloving to utilise personal beliefs and religion to justify a medical decision. Through ardent research of human sexuality we have seen that homosexuality is seen in nature, it is not alien to us and may have an evolutionary advantage in being based on the capacity to form male bonds which is an intense survival skill in a social group.
If we look at the difference between Chimpanzee and Us. We can see that they don’t have this trait as strongly. Their society is structured with one male at the “top” and the remainder in Troglodyte Game of Thrones mode trying to depose him. Only he gets to mate. Any others caught having sex are roundly beaten. The men are in competition within the group.
We are not. This meant we could work together more effectively. Maybe that manifests itself as “being homosexual”. But whatever the rational (pfft this is mere conjecture by the way) for being gay there is no doubt that it is natural.
The South Dakota High School Activities Association is presently considering changing the rules to accommodate transgender kids. Forty-one percent of those who struggle with Gender Dysphoria attempt suicide, that’s twenty-five times the rate of the general population– certainly tragic and urgent but not a word from the medical and psychological communities? So really, we are letting our basketball coaches sort it out while ACLU lawyers look carefully over their shoulders!?
Mainly because of people like yourself.
Tranny Hating Is pretty common. Eurgh a man who is a woman? Such people don’t get treated well.
Gay people also commit suicide more. But in every case they are struggling with their sexuality against religious bigotry and bullying.
GLBT would not kill themselves so much if we stopped claiming that their feelings are sinful and that they should pretend to be something they are not.
Letting boys play girl sports is not the starting place to fix the suicide problem or the very real daily struggle these students face dealing with something they have been handed in life. Society is broken and people have broken identities. Is it really best for us to break down the one remaining thing that has been working in society to try to fix the broken in our midst? And does it really even do that, or does it merely put them in more places exposing them to additional painful ostracization all the while transferring serious anxieties to other innocent and impressionable ones in those locker rooms? We need to have compassion but there are unintended consequences to consider too.
Yes. If we let boys play girlie sports is terrible. After all, real men play cricket, girls play rounders.
Baseball to you Mr Hickey. Girl Sports… pftt. There are sports, if you play them you play the sport. Your gender means fuck nothing.
And yes it won’t change anything. What we need to do is stop classifying sports by gender, and stop bullying kids who play different sorts of sports.
Look, one day it will be perfectly normal for young Timmy to ask young Johnny to the prom but today isn’t that day. When that day comes and Timmy and Johnny are no longer bullied for fancying each other is the day we will see a solution to this issue. The fact of the matter is the suicides of young men and women who face this discrimination can be put down to the trauma of bullying and harassment both online and offline. Both at home and at church and at school and on the news.
Society is not broken, this is just idiotic. We are at our most peaceful, least criminal. Kids these days? Lowest Drug Use outside of Marijuana. Most employment. The employment rate of part timer kids today is 80%, NOT working and dossing about is a rarity. We are the most educated (25% of us get higher educational degrees), politically aware, media savvy and hard working of all prior generations.
And the most responsible. Teen Pregnancy is down. Down like crazy. And you are worried about 3% of the population having sex.
Before we let lawyers and judges decide this for our state and override the will of the people in the 2006 election, I issue a call to the medical and psychological communities and associations to weigh in publicly and timely on the matter of homosexuality and the human body, psyche and family, particular kids.
Okay Weighing In.
Being Gay is Okay. Being Lesbian Is Okay. Being Trans is Okay. Being Bi is Okay. Being Straight Is Okay. Being asexual is Okay. Being whatever you want to be as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else or yourself is Okay.
What’s not okay? Is being a religious bigot and wasting state money on oppression of GLBT for no reason apart from “This Imaginary Being Said So”.
Shame on you Mr. Hickey, if you cared about children you would oppose the bigotry of the Church and the savagery of the homophobes. You would try to make the world a safer place for them, not run about trying to desperately find some science to back up your purely superstitious bigotry.
While there may be some psychological distress to being GLBT due to the lack of understanding over non-standard feelings, they can be easily allayed in a society that is open and welcoming to the GLBT. The greater issue is the bullying, harassment and attacks on GLBT and the religious dialogue of shame.