Appropriation of Nerd Culture By The Wimminz

Oh Tauriq Moosa? Will you never learn?  If you argue for a world that is kind and decent and inclusive there will be people who throw their toys out of the pram and make a fuss?

You may not call yourself a Nerd, but I do. I actually took umbrage to PZ Myers mocking a MRA’s love of Warhammer.

Because I like it too. 3000 points of Eldar, 3000 Points of Orks, 4000 points of high elves and 3000 points of Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings (because I just swap out the leaders – Hey I am not buying two sets of skeletons). These armies were built or nicked from an older cousin and lovingly played. I know it’s a silly universe but it knows it is silly. In the Grim Dark Future we will fight all our battles with fisticuffs.

More Credentials? Lest I be one of those fake nerds (What? Women can be fake nerds but Asians cannot? How dare you!)

I enjoy a fair few RPGs. Weird Table Top Games? I do those. Dr. Who? I like it. Game of Thrones? Got the books. Harry Potter? Read it Love it. Comic Books? I try and borrow and read anything I can find. My personal pride and joy is I own one of the worst comic books ever and arguably THE worst comic ever.

So it was rather weird to see this. On Tauriq Moosa’s statement in support of the fake girls of nerdiness, some frightful scallywag left this post.

Fuck you and your encouragement of the cultural appropriation of nerd culture:

What? Since when has this been happening? Oh no! Nerd Culture is being appropriated! Why that means cult classics will become popular! How the fuck am I supposed to be a Hipster Nerd if all my stuff is considered normal and cool and I don’t have to hide my secret love for Dr. Who. Nor is my precarious social life under threat by being perceived as slightly more uncool than the other kids.

Why? Imagine if popular culture appropriated the well known children’s books from our childhood that we still liked as adults.

Imagine how terrible that would be? Can you imagine the travesty of seeing Gandalf on a screen fighting a Balrog? Why our enjoyment of it all will be ruined. Thank goodness that didn’t happen! Why if they tried to make a Lord of the Rings movie? It would have to be 9 to 10 hours long! No one would sit in a movie theatre for that long watching an old man wrestle with a fantastic beast surrounded by dodgy outfits and unfeasibly pretty women.

Maybe in India but not in the West.

Can you imagine how terrible it would be if they made a movie about Spider Man? Imagine the terrible things they would do to Batman if he was made into a movie series?

That being said? Green Lantern? Perfect for a movie.

Cultural appropriation is the adoption of some specific elements of one culture by a different cultural group. It describes acculturation or assimilation, but can imply a negative view towards acculturation from a minority culture by a dominant culture.[1][2] It can include the introduction of forms of dress or personal adornment, music and art, religion, language, or social behavior. These elements, once removed from their indigenous cultural contexts, can take on meanings that are significantly divergent from, or merely less nuanced than, those they originally held.

So wait… the badly fitting jeans, the suspenders, the stupid hair and the strange glasses? It all makes sense.

Wait for it!

The modern fashion of the hipster with all of the above… is a nerd appropriation!

Consider your minds…. blown!

This is too far!

Are none of our icons sacred? First that Steve Jobs bloke made computing cool for the douchebag generation, now they steal Urkel’s fashions?

Here’s a quiz Tauriq, how do you feel about Dartmouth canceling a Cinco De Mayo Fraternity fundraising “Phiesta” because one young woman complained about the cultural appropriation?

What the fuck does this have to do with your moronic statement. If you had not understood by now? The above stuff is deeply sarcastic.

Your actual statement is about Fake Nerd Girls? And you want to drag Mexicans into the fight? Yes, let’s take random bits from a culture we have little idea about and run it in a mainly white guy place without understanding the issues involved?

And you want to compare it to one of the most “White, Straight and Male” dominated sub-cultures that’s becoming precisely what we wanted it to become? POPULAR!

Fake girl nerds, with the emphasis on fake

+ have no understanding of what it was like to grow up a nerd

And you have no idea what it’s like to grow up a nerd and be denied that right by jackasses who think that in order to be a nerd you have to be a pasty skinned bloke.

+ were usually the oppressors of nerds

Okay, but then your gripe is one of revenge. What you don’t like are nerds but women. Women who bullied you. Women who would have been considered popular. But I must point out that you should pay attention to the “above”.

+ take on nerd costume as a way of seeming cool

Ah yes! The infamous Big Bang Theory.

Well? I am a nerd and I like the Big Bang Theory. You know what? It is one of the most positive mainstream cultural viewpoints of nerds on American TV. Outside of that you had House and Doctor Who. And they still pale in comparison to “The Big Bang Theory”.

There are problems with it. I dislike the fact Sheldon is clearly on the Spectrum but is treated quite roughly. That’s kind of really it.

If anything Howard and Rajesh are both perfect examples of how some of us cannot talk to women or should not talk to women. Leonard is the normal one. Okay it’s “Nerdface” but you know what? They made us cool. They turned the dialogue into something we can talk about. Sure Community is a better show, but The BIg Bang Theory made us cool. I doubt my girlfriend (who is not a nerd) would understand that I like Comic books and Star Trek if not for the damn show which helped normalise these things as passions. My girlfriend cannot grasp why I despise Shia “I ruin movies” LaBoeuf (Transformers, Rear Window, Wall Street and Indiana Jones) but she knows that there are other strange men like me who think in similar ways.

Once I was weird, Now I am eccentric.

And we owe that as nerds to The Big Bang Theory. For all it’s flaws and all its representations and the fact it laughs at us? It’s made us normal. The one thing we LONGED to be.

+ oppress the real nerds still. That is, in their new fake girl nerd role, they still shun nerds

The real nerds seem to be the ones that don’t want to “sell out”. What I like to call these are the Hipster Nerds.

I was doing it before it was cool. I was into Batman before it became a runaway hit. My favourite joker was Mark Hamill and fuck Heath Ledger! Which is fine, but you are declaring the nerds who have moved into the mainstream and are willing to share their passions with others as “fake nerds”.

Must I lie about my capacity for sports? Or recite episode names of Star Trek? Or understand nuances that most of us never bothered with? Can’t I just like Star Trek because it was a fun show? Can’t I like comic books without worrying about DC vs Marvel and how much of a sellout I am because I never read it from the “start”?

We all have to start somewhere. And we have have a rich enough nerd “history” that we cannot be involved with all of it.

As for the “Real” Nerds? Have you considered these people are being ignored because they are doing the wrong thing? Women seem to not like people who claim they are fakes. Women seem to not like people who doubt that they should be here. Women don’t like misogyny and women don’t like harassment.

Have you considered the reason that the “Real” nerds are being shunned is because we grew up without the mainstream appreciating our hobbies and that with the sudden influx of women we still associate them with the fact our hobbies were gender segregated? That we came up with all sorts of excuses to justify why women never liked the things we did?

We all bought that poison growing up. Are you kidding me? The MRA stuff? It reads like how I thought when I was a kid, when girls never paid attention to me. I know how easy it is to say “Fuck Bitches, they just want us for our money”.

Did we ever consider that we were doing something that drove women away? I will honestly say? I lucked out. I could play a sport and I was funny. After the “second start” of Uni, the nerdiness was tempered by that and women started talking to me. And I saw more and more girls and women come into the hobbies I loved. Sometimes because of me. Didn’t we all dream that we wanted “the girl who played video games with us”?  I am lucky, because I met the girl who never had seen Doctor Who fall in love with the show with me. To the point we are both waiting to watch the Anniversary and Christmas Specials with each other in August.

And with that came the change of thinking. It became less about playing video-games with us and more about them playing games in the first place.

Did we ever think it was us? That our behaviour and actions were driving away people’s interest in us? That we could be nice to the people around us too? Did we seriously think that by being quiet that people would notice us and think “my, this quiet but strong stranger must have an interesting story, I shall befriend him”.

Oh, it’s cute. Oh, what does it matter? Oh, it’s just a name.

Actually? A lot of us picked our comics based on what we thought was awesome or aesthetically pleasing. It’s why Rob Liefield is still mocked among comic book readers. And it doesn’t matter. That’s the damn point. These were things we took seriously that don’t matter. We are nerds because we argue about the illogical situation of a billionaire building an armoured suit to fight bad guys.

No, it’s cultural appropriation, it’s disrespectful, it’s oppressive.

No. No it’s not.

You are trying to protect a culture of outcasts by claiming that the essence of being a nerd is to be an outcast. Not that we all banded together because we were outcasts to form our own groups and that some of us were inclusive. Some of had “women” in our groups. Some of these women grew up forever being told that they cannot be nerds because they are women. That the only way to know true rejection is to fail to fit the standard of normalcy among men.

Portlandia, written and starring two nerds, including a real nerd girl, understands what you are too much of a dipsh*t to understand

Portlandia is satire.

This entire comment is just daft. Why?

Because female nerds never existed…. That is what he thinks.

It’s a known medical fact that the possession of ovaries makes you incapable of understanding the awesomeness of a man dressing like a giant bat to punch a goddamn clown.

And since when has being a nerd been cool? When I left the UK women still weren’t throwing themselves at me simply because I owned 3000 points worth of Eldar, 5000 worth of High Elves and 3000 worth of orcs. I have DMd and GMd many a Shadowrun, Dungeon and Sanity Draining Adventure. I fought in the great Sega vs. Nintendo Wars and thought the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis was the best and that Mario wasn’t fit to shine Sonic’s Gravity Defying boots.

We want to claim these young ladies are pretending to be nerds because it is cool?

It’s just painfully daft. This is idiotic. Do any of these arseholes remember what it was like growing up and being treated like an outcast just because you liked “nerdy things”. I had to play the most brutal sport I could find (Rugby) solely to head off all the bullying that I would have faced for liking Comic books. (Okay, I jest. I had two left feet at football, was terrible at Cricket but good at rugby. I just liked sport and nerd stuff too.) It’s daft because this is what we wanted. The people complaining about this are the people who are still outcasts because they hold views that are harmful to the “newbies” and so are ignored.

Do we really want to go back to an era where we were portrayed as deeply unattractive victims fo the Ferris Bueler’s of the world? Do we really want to be the Stereotype of Comic Book Nerd? Alone, Sweaty, Poor Hygiene, No Social Skills and who no one would love?

Then why get mad at women who just want to take part in nerd culture. Why get mad over it’s normalisation and popularisation? Why get mad because now we can admit owning a video game?

Are these people seriously thinking games are going to get worse because some women play them? Not because games are made by corporations headed by people who sell product rather than games and so alter games to fit the idea of a product and so leave them inferior and boring. Nope, it’s the women dressed as Captain America that will destroy nerds!

This isn’t appropriation of culture. No.

What it is? Is Slymepit….

See there are one of two issues here.

Either the person here genuinely believes that nerd culture is being appropriated by women because it is now cool and is genuinely out of touch with reality.

Or the person here has taken umbrage to the fact that people of Mexican descent don’t like their cultural festival being represented by a traditional non-Mexican body without any input from Mexicans or doing things that would be taken as insulting. Like that school that offered Fried Chicken and Watermelon during Black History Month.

Now if people are aware? My first “big” post on FTB was about cultural appropriation. While some of my ideas have changed, the core idea is still that culture is appropriated when we don’t respect the culture we gain ideas from. It’s the difference between learning the arts and language of Mexico and expanding on it.

Or dressing in a Sombrero to do Tequila Shots.


  1. says

    Since I just agree with the bulk of your post, I wanted to comment to give props on being a Warhammer fan, though I’d chide you and say that currently Privateer Press does better wargames than the current edition of GW stuff.

    Still, I didn’t know PZ made fun of wargamers, I may have to hate him now.

  2. says

    I’m still startled by the existence of people who think the poster you quoted above is saying true, or true-ish things, rather than complete nonsense.

  3. says

    I did not know that nerds were an oppressed ethnic minority.
    I always thought they were usually pretty well to do middle class kids with quite a lot of free time and disposable income.
    Yeah, I only get like 4/10 nerd points (never got the hang of video games and I have no time or patience for TV), but my favourite RPG character has 6000+ experience points and is dressed to kill, i.e. has knives hidden on her body…

  4. says

    I think the big thing here is where you call this a sub-culture. It’s not a separate culture and it’s not and cannot be appropriated because it’s being accepted by its larger culture.

  5. Endorkened says

    Except it’s not actually being accepted–some of the bits of it are being noticed by mainstream society and co-opted. Socially awkward people who are into unpopular things are as shunned and ridiculed as they ever were–it’s just that some things that USED to be nerdy have ceased to be.

    Like Star Trek! Who doesn’t love Star Trek?* Now with lens flares and that fuck from Lost and absolutely none of those pesky liberal values or hope for humanity’s future! Starring Sexy Sherlock and soon to be a third-person cover shooter played exclusively by the guys who used to beat up anyone who liked TNG!

    Doctor Who? The last two Doctors were a smoldering pretty boy and a manic pixie dream guy! Not to say it’s bad, mind you–it’s just not a niche, nerd thing anymore. You don’t get mocked and smeared and beaten up in school for having a fez in your locker.

    But bronies? The really bizarre niche fandom? Ostracism! Shaming! Hell, that’s part of Pharyngula’s default nerd smear–it gets slapped on anyone who disagrees with us, right along with accusations of having a small penis, not shaving every morning, and for some reason possessing a certain kind of hat–because what says inclusive and progressive like implying that people who disagree with us are effeminate and dress funny?

    *This is a rhetorical question.

  6. mickll says

    Next up. Hipsters rage at the neo-hipsters because they were into that stuff before anyone!

  7. Endorkened says

    It’s not about hipsterism–it’s not about feeling smug because I read the tech manuals as a kid or imagining I’m smarter than you because I read [insert pre-Jar-Jar Star Wars paperback here]. It seems to me like the modern mainstream attitude towards nerds is basically the same as that strange metrosexual fad we had a decade or two back–you know, the one where straight guys started affecting the most ridiculously stereotypical “flaming” mannerisms they could possibly put on without making Rock Hudson actually rise from the grave to punch them in the face?
    Heck, I still haven’t fully recovered from that! O.o

  8. Endorkened says

    Or more accurately, it seems like that time in the 90s when we all wanted to ACT like we were gay, but we still liked to cripple the real ones with tire irons. It’s not cool to be a nerd – it’s cool to be a specific kind of photogenic, charismatic, preferably white nerd. The rest of us – the ones who have trouble dealing with people, the ones who put their feet in their mouths like I likely am right now and like things because they’re good, not because they’re popular or twee or have Benedict Cumberbatch in them – we get shuffled off into the background like always. And when we complain about it? Dear Muslima speeches! Boy howdy, I love me some Dear Muslima speeches! Lecture me, Avicenna! Tell me what I’m allowed to be upset about!
    Okay, burned out now. Going to bed. I have a bingo card ready for the morning–free space is “white tears.”

  9. Chaos-Engineer says

    The rest of us – the ones who have trouble dealing with people, the ones who put their feet in their mouths like I likely am right now

    That’s not nerdishness, exactly. It sounds like a social anxiety issue. If it’s become a real problem, it’s possible to get help.

    and like things because they’re good, not because they’re popular or twee or have Benedict Cumberbatch in them – we get shuffled off into the background like always

    This is a normal part of the aging process. When you’re younger, pop culture is new and fun, but as you get older your tastes can get more sophisticated and pop culture will start seeming cliched and repetitive. (Nerds tend to get to this stage faster than other people.) This just means that you need to look for more sophisticated entertainment. Once you’ve found something new you like, you won’t have to look far to find a fan-group for it.

    And when we complain about it? Dear Muslima speeches! Boy howdy, I love me some Dear Muslima speeches! Lecture me, Avicenna! Tell me what I’m allowed to be upset about!

    I’m sorry you’ve been treated that way. I can’t stand people who make Dear Muslima arguments. (This is the argument that goes: “You’re not allowed to try to solve Problem X, because Problem Y is much worse.”) (Not to be confused with “I don’t have time to help you work on Problem X, because I’m busy with Problem Y” which is a perfectly valid thing to say.) (And don’t even get me started on “I know you’re discussing Problem Y, but I want to hijack the conversation and make it about Problem X”, which happens depressingly often.)

    Anyway, I’m having trouble understanding what your Problem X is. Is it that the new seasons of Star Trek and Doctor Who aren’t as good as the old ones, or does it go beyond that?

  10. says

    *reads comments*
    Wow, they really think that nerds are some actually marginalized group.
    Listen, nerds, I know there are assholes in this world and that we need to make it a much better place for all kinds of people with all kinds of tastes, and that bullying is a serious issue and needs to be fought and stopped, no matter whether somebody is picked upon because of their race, sexual orientation, gender or clothing choice. But seriously, you are NOT a marginalized minority.

  11. says

    I’m also wondering how “fake nerd girls” are actually “oppressing” the real nerds. By not going on dates with them? What is their structural power, their immanent privilege apart from “getting dates”? How does the oppression of nerds in society look like (and we’re not talking about bullying)?

  12. Holms says

    People appear to be confusing niche fandom for ethnic and cultural background. Fucking cluelessness.

  13. cartomancer says

    There seems to be a very peculiar slant to these weird sorts of complaints. It’s almost that the feeling like an oppressed, marginalised outcast is the bit of stereotypical nerd-dom that these people most value. There seems to be a real sense of pain in the realization that they may not be looked down upon and shunned as much as they want to be – as if being the butt of jokes and social opprobrium is absolutely central to who they are. Not the cool hobbies and interests, but the social opprobrium those interests carry (or, increasingly, carried) in some parts of the world.

    Also, the notion that sci-fi and fantasy have been in any way “niche” at any point in the last fifty odd years is patently absurd. That’s a strange old canard. Terry Pratchett once wrote that The Lord of the Rings has been the world’s second best-selling book of all time after the bible, and yet it still gets called a “cult” book by cultural critics. What, he wondered, in the light of this, would it take to stop it being cult and start being mainstream! The 40s and 50s had superman and batman comics for the first time, which were huge. The 60s the original Doctor Who and Star Trek, the 70s and 80s Star Wars and Robocop, the 90s the Matrix. Video Games stopped being a niche hobby when the NES became a huge thing in the mid-80s.

    There never was a time that fantasy and sci-fi were the sole preserve of “nerds” or “geeks”. But I don’t like either term myself, to be honest, mostly because they’re US cultural imports and seem to reflect a largely imagined social order from US teen high school movies that I just don’t recognise anywhere else. Perhaps others were different, but in my experience growing up in rural England in the 80s and 90s, there simply wasn’t any notion that people are losers or awkward or to be shunned just because they like certain things.

  14. cartomancer says

    Although, the other thing I see strongly in these complaints is the notion that one’s degree of dedication to one’s fandom is a marker of status within nerd-dom as a whole, and, expanding on this, that the degree of dedication a particular fandom’s fans show as a community is a further marker of status that reflects well on individual members. As a result of this the notion that there are suddenly loads of “casual” fans who only dabble in your chosen fandom is seen as a kind of unacceptable cultural attack on “dedicated” fans as individuals. One might expect that having lots of “casual” fans around would only serve to make the truly committed and dedicated seem like shining beacons of excellence, and be welcomed, but clearly not in many cases.

    The psychology here seems very similar to that of patriotic nationalist tubthumpers, to whom those only casually committed to their nation’s esteem are letting the side down. And it seems very common in human affairs. I’ve felt its lure myself a couple of times. If you really like something and derive much of your life’s meaning from being a fan of it then it does become serious business, and the challenge-all-perceived-threats response comes very easily. In such circumstances, a personal lack of confidence can lead one to seeing threats anywhere.

    Though, personally, as I’ve matured, the opposite has become the case. My dedication to my favoured hobbies and interests is still a huge part of my personal sense of self-definition and self-worth (I’ve been a fanatical Warhammer and 40k fan since I was 9, and my passion for it has only increased over the years), but I’ve become far more relaxed and comfortable in it over the years. The opinions of others don’t faze me anymore, and the dedication suffices as a rationale for life all by itself – I’m not doing this for other people’s approbation or praise, I’m doing because it’s what I love.

  15. says

    Thanks for writing this, Avicenna. Geek Girls have always existed. People just ignored us and pretend we weren’t there.

    Seriously, people need to understand that “People Made Fun Of Me For My Hobbies When I Was a Kid” shouldn’t lead to the belief(s) that “Women Hate Me Because of My Hobbies / Women Have No Right To Ever Comment on My Hobbies / Women Are Ruining My Hobbies By Participating In Them / Women Are Fakes Who Aren’t Really Interested in my Hobbies / Equal Rights Advocates Are Bullying Me and Ruining My Hobbies”. These conclusions don’t make any sense, and they’re not justified due to the fact that people made fun of you as a kid. And female nerds were bullied as kids, too, but with added sexism. Again, the fact that the male nerds didn’t notice doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening.

    @Endorkened: The issue isn’t that some people are more passionate than others or that some incarnations of a story are better/worse than others. There are always going to be good and bad episode, movies, remakes, sequels, etc. And there are always going to be people who really, really love a certain story and others who may be a little bit interested but don’t love it all that much. The issue is that people assume any girl or woman who professes an interest in these stories must be a fake geek girl, while not applying the same level of scrutiny to boys and men who profess an interest. Girls and women are assumed to be fans who like the story for superficial reasons while boys and men are assumed to be fans for better reasons. Which doesn’t make sense.

  16. cartomancer says

    The strange sexual politics nonsense has me confused though. I rather thought that hobbies and interests were something one did because one loved them, and sexuality didn’t enter into it.

    Indeed, I rather thought one of the incidental advantages of having a dedication to well-loved hobbies is that you have something meaningful and life-affirming you can indulge in to take your mind off a lack of romantic or sexual contact.

    And I am careful to emphasise the “incidental” – we don’t do these things because they take away this pain (many of us don’t have it to take away), but it very much can do that. I’ve never had a boyfriend in my life, or even so much as a sniff of interest from other men, and it has caused me much anguish over the decades. But I always have my hobbies to turn to to make me feel happy again, and that really makes a difference. When I’m at a tournament or just talking to my friends about my beloved hobby, sexuality is the very last thing on my mind – who needs men when I have elves! It’s even the one thing that takes my mind off the unrequited love I have always had for my best friend James.

    Maybe straight people tend to think differently though. I can imagine the whole cultural heap of assumptions around gendered behaviour that we’re brought up with could change things.

  17. says

    @cartomancer (#16)

    But I always have my hobbies to turn to to make me feel happy again, and that really makes a difference.

    Yes, definitely. I feel that way, too. I think there are lots of nerds who feel this way. (At least, there are many that I’ve seen express a similar sentiment that the fandoms and stories they love have been a safe haven.)

    But as with all aspects of life, there are always issues of discrimination and equal rights, and I think that’s where the sexual politics (and other politics) come in, both in how people are treated at fan events (e.g. conventions) and also how different demographics are portrayed in stories (e.g. inclusion of characters who are of different races, genders, sexual orientations, and so on). I think there’s a certain segment of people within nerd culture who pretend that because they were bullied for liking their hobbies, that somehow means that nothing they do can be called discriminatory or bullying when they try to exclude people different from them. For some, it’s also become this way to assume that if a woman doesn’t want to date them, she’s making that decision based on some negative feeling she has towards nerds, like the bullies they remember from school, rather than just not being interested in that particular guy. (As for how straight people see this, I couldn’t say, but that’s my perspective.)

  18. Onamission5 says

    Women who like nerdy things just because we like them don’t exist, apparently. Women who grew up as girls who liked nerdy things and spent their childhoods getting ostracized by both the popular kids *and* shunned by the nerdy boys don’t exist either. We only fake-like nerdy things so that we can encroach upon the territory of guys we don’t care for and ruin everything for them all over again. (sorry, did this tree house have a “NO grlz allowd” sign on it?”


    I don’t exist. Sorry, everyone, this comment has been typed by a figment of your imagination.

  19. kestra says

    I remember well the angst and oppression I suffered as a child for being a girl-nerd, but not the right *kind* of nerd. All those invites for fucking Magic: The Gathering tournaments and being asked, “What do you mean you don’t like Pokemon? Aren’t you a *nerd*?” Yes, but I’m nerdy about newspaper strips from the 1930s. Do you want to talk about how close I am to completing my collection of “Prince Valiant” collected editions, and analyze the precise moment that Foster shifted the setting from Arthurian magic-fantasy to a quasi-realistic “historical” fantasy universe? Eh? Anyone want to compare and contrast the early female characters in “Terry and the Pirates”? Anyone? Anyone at all? FINE THEN.

  20. Maddy says

    Look, there’s no point pretending fake nerd guys and girls don’t exist. They do, geek is in fashion at the moment. I don’t have a problem with geeky girls, I’m one myself and, y’know, the more the merrier. My best friends are all geeky gals and guys. But fake geeks do make us look bad and I’ve had to prove my geekiness more than once because I was assumed to me someone who wore the shirt but didn’t know their shit, so to speak.

    My problem is when the people who tormented me in school and used nerd and geek as insults towards me, think it’s cute to go “Omgggg I’m SUCH a geek” and get celebrated for it, while I’m still getting bullied for the same.

    There’s no point pretending it doesn’t affect anything, either. Because there’s now this loud group of people calling themselves geeks and pop culture is being tailored to them rather than the people who loved it in the first place. Doctor Who is the PERFECT example. A lot of the so-called whovians around now have only ever seen Matt Smith’s Doctor (I don’t think you can really call yourself a fan if you haven’t even bothered to watch all of the show, it’s easily available online, so they don’t really like the show, they just like the idea of watching it), and praise sexist, homophobic, racist head-writer Moffat as a god. The show has completely changed from what it was. The Doctor has changed and the entire point of the show has been changed because the idiot majority want to be geeky, but they don’t like actual geeky things, so geekery needs to be watered down to be more palatable to the masses.

    Meat-headed footballers who’ve seen Star Wars once and kinda liked it, aren’t geeks. People who bully people for liking something aren’t geeks when they decide to watch Star Trek once. Geekdom was once a safe place, I could go to cons and meet like-minded people, join clubs without fear of derision. The last time I went to a convention, there were two girls there in black milk star wars bathers and high heels and I heard the complaining about how many nerds were there (I don’t know what the hell they expected at a con, but whatever), my best friend got teased by some fake-geek blokes at a con because she was crossplaying and had a fake beard on. Cons are no longer a safe space because of these idiots. Being a geek isn’t more socially acceptable nowdays, being a good-looking person in glasses and a generic Doctor Who shirt is.

    But sure, complain away about how hard it is for you because some people that you’ve never met don’t like you. For the majority of geeks, these medias were a way of escaping the reality of their lives. To get away from the people who are now invading these medias.

    I’m not saying geeks are an oppressed group, but we were certainly never as privileged as the people who cruised through life with no problems at all, who decide to pick up our identity as a fun little fad.

    And it is an identity, I know it was easier to consider myself a geek than just some friendless loser, it made me part of something. Being a geek means you have a million in-jokes with people just like you, it means that even if you’ve been bullied for reading or playing video games, there are people just like you out there who understand. Now geek means that you’re just another subgenre of hipster.

    And Big Bang Theory is just awful, my god, how could you defend that tripe? Not only does it completely misrepresent geeks as a whole, but it’s also incredibly sexist and bigoted, I’ve not got the time to list all the problems I have with the show though, especially to someone who likely won’t understand it, but suffice to say, you should probably do a little research on feminist theory before going on some tirade which basically boils down to “You can’t call anyone out on being a fake geek ever, fake geeks definitely don’t exist”, which is just pure bullshit.

  21. Stremlyne says

    Hippies: Starts in 60s with a real cause and a real struggle for youth shoved into an immoral war, 1967 summer of love and new way of life. 68-70s mainstream and the ability to buy a Tie-Dye shirt at Sears

    Disco: Starts in the 70s with a small group of house clubers and DJs playing mixing records, reaches a peak in 1977 and mainstream jumps on the bandwagon. 1979 disco duck released. 1980 disco is dead.

    Punk: Starts in 70s withdisgruntled youth who hate the mainstream, making music and clothing so obnoxious that no one in their right mind would want to emulate it. Safety pin shirts on sale at Sears by 1980
    crawls on with the Clash but is killed by Green Day.

    Bikers, Goth, Metal, Grunge, Rave Culture, Preppies its always the same pattern with the originators left
    standing with nothing left but a bag and the party bus people moving on like locusts to the next big thing.

    And now Nerds and Geekdom: Which has existed through all of these periods and survived intact because it
    was embarrassing to the mainstream. Comes into peak during the 90s and 2000s with the internet, but
    mainstream finds it can make money and gives us BBT and Cosplay girls and the cat riddled with worms
    chases its tail, arround and arround.

    PS. Culture Appropriation? I’m Black…dont even try it.

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