Oh Tauriq Moosa? Will you never learn? If you argue for a world that is kind and decent and inclusive there will be people who throw their toys out of the pram and make a fuss?
You may not call yourself a Nerd, but I do. I actually took umbrage to PZ Myers mocking a MRA’s love of Warhammer.
Because I like it too. 3000 points of Eldar, 3000 Points of Orks, 4000 points of high elves and 3000 points of Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings (because I just swap out the leaders – Hey I am not buying two sets of skeletons). These armies were built or nicked from an older cousin and lovingly played. I know it’s a silly universe but it knows it is silly. In the Grim Dark Future we will fight all our battles with fisticuffs.
More Credentials? Lest I be one of those fake nerds (What? Women can be fake nerds but Asians cannot? How dare you!)
I enjoy a fair few RPGs. Weird Table Top Games? I do those. Dr. Who? I like it. Game of Thrones? Got the books. Harry Potter? Read it Love it. Comic Books? I try and borrow and read anything I can find. My personal pride and joy is I own one of the worst comic books ever and arguably THE worst comic ever.
So it was rather weird to see this. On Tauriq Moosa’s statement in support of the fake girls of nerdiness, some frightful scallywag left this post.
Fuck you and your encouragement of the cultural appropriation of nerd culture:
What? Since when has this been happening? Oh no! Nerd Culture is being appropriated! Why that means cult classics will become popular! How the fuck am I supposed to be a Hipster Nerd if all my stuff is considered normal and cool and I don’t have to hide my secret love for Dr. Who. Nor is my precarious social life under threat by being perceived as slightly more uncool than the other kids.
Why? Imagine if popular culture appropriated the well known children’s books from our childhood that we still liked as adults.
Imagine how terrible that would be? Can you imagine the travesty of seeing Gandalf on a screen fighting a Balrog? Why our enjoyment of it all will be ruined. Thank goodness that didn’t happen! Why if they tried to make a Lord of the Rings movie? It would have to be 9 to 10 hours long! No one would sit in a movie theatre for that long watching an old man wrestle with a fantastic beast surrounded by dodgy outfits and unfeasibly pretty women.
Maybe in India but not in the West.
Can you imagine how terrible it would be if they made a movie about Spider Man? Imagine the terrible things they would do to Batman if he was made into a movie series?
That being said? Green Lantern? Perfect for a movie.
Cultural appropriation is the adoption of some specific elements of one culture by a different cultural group. It describes acculturation or assimilation, but can imply a negative view towards acculturation from a minority culture by a dominant culture. It can include the introduction of forms of dress or personal adornment, music and art, religion, language, or social behavior. These elements, once removed from their indigenous cultural contexts, can take on meanings that are significantly divergent from, or merely less nuanced than, those they originally held.
So wait… the badly fitting jeans, the suspenders, the stupid hair and the strange glasses? It all makes sense.
The modern fashion of the hipster with all of the above… is a nerd appropriation!
This is too far!
Are none of our icons sacred? First that Steve Jobs bloke made computing cool for the douchebag generation, now they steal Urkel’s fashions?
Here’s a quiz Tauriq, how do you feel about Dartmouth canceling a Cinco De Mayo Fraternity fundraising “Phiesta” because one young woman complained about the cultural appropriation?
What the fuck does this have to do with your moronic statement. If you had not understood by now? The above stuff is deeply sarcastic.
Your actual statement is about Fake Nerd Girls? And you want to drag Mexicans into the fight? Yes, let’s take random bits from a culture we have little idea about and run it in a mainly white guy place without understanding the issues involved?
And you want to compare it to one of the most “White, Straight and Male” dominated sub-cultures that’s becoming precisely what we wanted it to become? POPULAR!
Fake girl nerds, with the emphasis on fake
+ have no understanding of what it was like to grow up a nerd
And you have no idea what it’s like to grow up a nerd and be denied that right by jackasses who think that in order to be a nerd you have to be a pasty skinned bloke.
+ were usually the oppressors of nerds
Okay, but then your gripe is one of revenge. What you don’t like are nerds but women. Women who bullied you. Women who would have been considered popular. But I must point out that you should pay attention to the “above”.
+ take on nerd costume as a way of seeming cool
Ah yes! The infamous Big Bang Theory.
Well? I am a nerd and I like the Big Bang Theory. You know what? It is one of the most positive mainstream cultural viewpoints of nerds on American TV. Outside of that you had House and Doctor Who. And they still pale in comparison to “The Big Bang Theory”.
There are problems with it. I dislike the fact Sheldon is clearly on the Spectrum but is treated quite roughly. That’s kind of really it.
If anything Howard and Rajesh are both perfect examples of how some of us cannot talk to women or should not talk to women. Leonard is the normal one. Okay it’s “Nerdface” but you know what? They made us cool. They turned the dialogue into something we can talk about. Sure Community is a better show, but The BIg Bang Theory made us cool. I doubt my girlfriend (who is not a nerd) would understand that I like Comic books and Star Trek if not for the damn show which helped normalise these things as passions. My girlfriend cannot grasp why I despise Shia “I ruin movies” LaBoeuf (Transformers, Rear Window, Wall Street and Indiana Jones) but she knows that there are other strange men like me who think in similar ways.
Once I was weird, Now I am eccentric.
And we owe that as nerds to The Big Bang Theory. For all it’s flaws and all its representations and the fact it laughs at us? It’s made us normal. The one thing we LONGED to be.
+ oppress the real nerds still. That is, in their new fake girl nerd role, they still shun nerds
The real nerds seem to be the ones that don’t want to “sell out”. What I like to call these are the Hipster Nerds.
I was doing it before it was cool. I was into Batman before it became a runaway hit. My favourite joker was Mark Hamill and fuck Heath Ledger! Which is fine, but you are declaring the nerds who have moved into the mainstream and are willing to share their passions with others as “fake nerds”.
Must I lie about my capacity for sports? Or recite episode names of Star Trek? Or understand nuances that most of us never bothered with? Can’t I just like Star Trek because it was a fun show? Can’t I like comic books without worrying about DC vs Marvel and how much of a sellout I am because I never read it from the “start”?
We all have to start somewhere. And we have have a rich enough nerd “history” that we cannot be involved with all of it.
As for the “Real” Nerds? Have you considered these people are being ignored because they are doing the wrong thing? Women seem to not like people who claim they are fakes. Women seem to not like people who doubt that they should be here. Women don’t like misogyny and women don’t like harassment.
Have you considered the reason that the “Real” nerds are being shunned is because we grew up without the mainstream appreciating our hobbies and that with the sudden influx of women we still associate them with the fact our hobbies were gender segregated? That we came up with all sorts of excuses to justify why women never liked the things we did?
We all bought that poison growing up. Are you kidding me? The MRA stuff? It reads like how I thought when I was a kid, when girls never paid attention to me. I know how easy it is to say “Fuck Bitches, they just want us for our money”.
Did we ever consider that we were doing something that drove women away? I will honestly say? I lucked out. I could play a sport and I was funny. After the “second start” of Uni, the nerdiness was tempered by that and women started talking to me. And I saw more and more girls and women come into the hobbies I loved. Sometimes because of me. Didn’t we all dream that we wanted “the girl who played video games with us”? I am lucky, because I met the girl who never had seen Doctor Who fall in love with the show with me. To the point we are both waiting to watch the Anniversary and Christmas Specials with each other in August.
And with that came the change of thinking. It became less about playing video-games with us and more about them playing games in the first place.
Did we ever think it was us? That our behaviour and actions were driving away people’s interest in us? That we could be nice to the people around us too? Did we seriously think that by being quiet that people would notice us and think “my, this quiet but strong stranger must have an interesting story, I shall befriend him”.
Oh, it’s cute. Oh, what does it matter? Oh, it’s just a name.
Actually? A lot of us picked our comics based on what we thought was awesome or aesthetically pleasing. It’s why Rob Liefield is still mocked among comic book readers. And it doesn’t matter. That’s the damn point. These were things we took seriously that don’t matter. We are nerds because we argue about the illogical situation of a billionaire building an armoured suit to fight bad guys.
No, it’s cultural appropriation, it’s disrespectful, it’s oppressive.
No. No it’s not.
You are trying to protect a culture of outcasts by claiming that the essence of being a nerd is to be an outcast. Not that we all banded together because we were outcasts to form our own groups and that some of us were inclusive. Some of had “women” in our groups. Some of these women grew up forever being told that they cannot be nerds because they are women. That the only way to know true rejection is to fail to fit the standard of normalcy among men.
Portlandia, written and starring two nerds, including a real nerd girl, understands what you are too much of a dipsh*t to understand
Portlandia is satire.
This entire comment is just daft. Why?
Because female nerds never existed…. That is what he thinks.
It’s a known medical fact that the possession of ovaries makes you incapable of understanding the awesomeness of a man dressing like a giant bat to punch a goddamn clown.
And since when has being a nerd been cool? When I left the UK women still weren’t throwing themselves at me simply because I owned 3000 points worth of Eldar, 5000 worth of High Elves and 3000 worth of orcs. I have DMd and GMd many a Shadowrun, Dungeon and Sanity Draining Adventure. I fought in the great Sega vs. Nintendo Wars and thought the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis was the best and that Mario wasn’t fit to shine Sonic’s Gravity Defying boots.
We want to claim these young ladies are pretending to be nerds because it is cool?
It’s just painfully daft. This is idiotic. Do any of these arseholes remember what it was like growing up and being treated like an outcast just because you liked “nerdy things”. I had to play the most brutal sport I could find (Rugby) solely to head off all the bullying that I would have faced for liking Comic books. (Okay, I jest. I had two left feet at football, was terrible at Cricket but good at rugby. I just liked sport and nerd stuff too.) It’s daft because this is what we wanted. The people complaining about this are the people who are still outcasts because they hold views that are harmful to the “newbies” and so are ignored.
Do we really want to go back to an era where we were portrayed as deeply unattractive victims fo the Ferris Bueler’s of the world? Do we really want to be the Stereotype of Comic Book Nerd? Alone, Sweaty, Poor Hygiene, No Social Skills and who no one would love?
Then why get mad at women who just want to take part in nerd culture. Why get mad over it’s normalisation and popularisation? Why get mad because now we can admit owning a video game?
Are these people seriously thinking games are going to get worse because some women play them? Not because games are made by corporations headed by people who sell product rather than games and so alter games to fit the idea of a product and so leave them inferior and boring. Nope, it’s the women dressed as Captain America that will destroy nerds!
This isn’t appropriation of culture. No.
What it is? Is Slymepit….
See there are one of two issues here.
Either the person here genuinely believes that nerd culture is being appropriated by women because it is now cool and is genuinely out of touch with reality.
Or the person here has taken umbrage to the fact that people of Mexican descent don’t like their cultural festival being represented by a traditional non-Mexican body without any input from Mexicans or doing things that would be taken as insulting. Like that school that offered Fried Chicken and Watermelon during Black History Month.
Now if people are aware? My first “big” post on FTB was about cultural appropriation. While some of my ideas have changed, the core idea is still that culture is appropriated when we don’t respect the culture we gain ideas from. It’s the difference between learning the arts and language of Mexico and expanding on it.
Or dressing in a Sombrero to do Tequila Shots.