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HIV/AIDS denialism at the University of London’s School of Oriental And African Studies

University of London’s School of Oriental and African Studies has a little blurb on its website.

“It’s unique but incredibly inclusive, everyone fits in somewhere”.

That includes the HIV and AIDS denialists who have been given the opportunity to flog “I Won’t Go Quietly” to the good people of London who wish to watch a movie about HIV/AIDS denialism. And let us get this clear, it is denialism. The same denialism that brought us the South African Salad school of HIV/AIDS prevention. Where an entire nation based it’s government HIV prevention scheme on quackery and paid the price.

It is estimated that 300,000 out of the world’s 35 million are due to this one single program. This isn’t cases during the period, this is the number of people predicted to have contracted AIDS above and beyond the normal rate. 1% of the world’s HIV sufferers are there due to a single act of quackery. This is the most conservative figure. If we include people who could have been saved by a more scientific approach being utilised earlier, this would be in excess of a million people

And this is without including the enormous scale of quackery in Africa where superstition with regards to AIDS and Catholic and Muslim beliefs have held back progress in controlling the disease.

To allow a viewing of this movie is a travesty to everything a study of Asia and Africa should be about. If you wish to discuss this in terms of anthropological answers to disease? I must say “Fuck You”. People are fucking dying and it’s not a handful of people. It’s 35 million who have a death sentence on them at this point.

Your first world anthropology is not needed when discussing a lethal disease. What we need is cold hard and cruel medicine so that anthropology doesn’t become archaeology.

So let’s take a gander at what’s on offer? From the press release.

The 80-minute documentary “I WON’T GO QUIETLY” by filmmaker Anne Sono is a portrait of six women from four countries, whose stories are shocking and almost unbelievable.

Six women maketh a scientific consensus. I did a little look into these women’s stories.

Tamara was tested positive for HIV during her second pregnancy. She received a critical book on AIDS in a counselling centre run by the church. Together with her husband Ivan, she decided to keep the child and refused medical treatment. The child ist perfectly healthy, just like her little sister and her elder brother. The parents decided to never test their children for HIV. Tamara was murdered on 09/03/2012. The exact circumstances remain unclear.”

Wait what? Churches are fucking handing out quack bullshit about HIV? Wait what? You cannot be serious. There are people taking advice from institutes dedicated to prayer rather than medicine. I ask you? Would  you walk into a McDonalds and ask for advice on how to fix your car? No. You would be considered an idiot to ask and an idiot to take the advice. Then why the hell is this acceptable to ask a bunch of priests about healthcare issues.

“Tatyana was diagnosed during her pregnancy. She took the drugs and gave birth to a child of whom the doctors said that it would only live 3-4 years. She gave her child AZT until she came across a newspaper article by a scientist who had proven that people died from the effects of the drugs. She discontinued the treatment at once. Lisa is now 7 years old, exceptionally intelligent and receives free ballet lessons because of her talent. In 2012 Tatyana was taken off the national register of people infected with HIV.”

If you are born HIV + then you will for 7 to 14 years before you get AIDS. The 3 to 4 year statement is nonsensical. We are seeing 7 to 14 years in places like Africa and India. In places with access to medicine and regular usage, we are seeing children who have lived their entire lives with HIV and are now in their mid 30s.

“Line was persuaded by doctors to take an HIV test because she was expecting the child of an African. The test turned out positive for both her ​​and her partner. Neither one of them ever developed AIDS. The child is now in her twenties and perfectly healthy, without ever having been on any AIDS medication. Line was sued by one of her ex-partners, because she allegedly infected him with HIV: She was found guilty and served 2 years in prison.”

She knowingly was having unprotected sex while HIV+. And this movie is defending her actions?

Incidentally? The mother to child transmission rate of HIV is not 100%. It’s around 15 to 45% depending on delivery hygiene. With medical intervention it is less than 5% and children born can be given a retroviral prophylaxis to drop it even further.

I must point out that a 45% chance and a 5% chance are miles apart.

“As a baby, Lindsey was adopted by an American couple. In her home country of Romania she tested negative for HIV, whereby a subsequent test in the U.S. turned out positive. The parents gave her the recommended antiretroviral drugs and had to watch as she started suffering from extreme leg pain and stopped growing. They discovered an article by Dr. Peter Duesberg from Berkeley, who advised the parents to stop the treatment immediately. The leg pain disappeared and Lindsey was back to a normal weight within 2 months. In the early 90s, there were 12 other so-called “AIDS” Babies in Minnesota, of which Lindsey is the only survivor. Today she is a healthy young woman, who recently became a mother herself – however, her happiness was overshadowed by the authorities.”

Peter Duesberg was on the 44 member advisory panel for South Africa of prominent AIDS/HIV denialists. His particular actions were responsible for the afore mentioned 300,000 deaths. He’s got a Dr. in front of his name but as far as I am concerned you only get to keep the title of Dr. if you  help people. He also thinks Oncogenes are “fraudulent” despite the mountains of evidence to support defective genetics in cancer cells.

Duesberg’s arguments have generally been constructed by selective reading of the scientific literature. For those who have read my usual criticisms of quackery, you would recognise this as a common tactic. Where single lines are taken out of context to support a scientifically flawed argument. In addition? He rejects evidence that contradicts his theses, requiring impossibly definitive proof, and dismissing outright studies over inconsequential weaknesses.

Barbara was tested positive for HIV in her early twenties. The test was done without her prior consent during a hospital stay. However, instead of developing AIDS, she gave birth to four healthy children. Because she decided to deliver her fourth child at home instead of the recommended Caesarean section and furthermore chose to breastfeed her daughter, she was sentenced to 14 months on probation. The youngest daughter was placed in a children’s home, because she refused to give her the prescribed medication.”

I repeat. This is ridiculously dangerous behaviour. Millions of Africans and Asians are at risk (Remember, I work in a HIV “zone” where there is a higher than normal number of HIV+ people) for the disease and SOAS giving a voice to such is just dangerous.

“Karri was in her mid-twenties when she tested positive after her second pregnancy. The doctors advised her to make her will. She trustingly took the AIDS medication and became a classic example of an AIDS patient, popular with doctors and nurses. However, that changed abruptly after 11 years, when Karri decided to discontinue treatment due to the many side effects she was suffering from. During the four years without medication Karri felt better than at any time since having been diagnosed with HIV. Unfortunately, the drugs had already eaten a hole into her intestines, and in search of a new doctor she almost bled to death. Five doctors refused to operate on her because she had rejected the HIV treatment. In order to get an operation, she had to agree to the infusion of Ganciclovir. Shortly after she became blind and lost her ability to speak. She died on 26 April 2011.”

I will deal with the irritating “Classic AIDS patient due to medication later”.

But how much money do you bet that HIV/AIDS complications had a hand in this rather than the shady hand of big pharma?

Of note? One of HIV’s complications is an infection with CMV (Cytomegalo Virus) which can cause blindness. Ganciclovir + CMV + HIV has an effect causing retinal detachment too. However CMV is the main causative component. Anti-Retrovirals help preserve vision. So we don’t quite know if it was the medication or a common issue in untreated HIV.

Karri died of Pneumonia. The overlying cause was AIDS. According to Peter Duesberg? About 6% of deaths in the over 50s are from pneumonia, and “she is one of those. Big deal, It’s nothing. It’s consistent with everything I know.”

Anne Sono managed to highlight the emotional side to HIV/AIDS as well as its factual background. A brave portrait that encourages us to rethink everything we previously took as fact.

Based on quackery, 8 subjects of dubious nature and a completely unscientific viewpoint of how disease works.

A bold theory, if only we lived in a universe where it worked.

Critical voices keep growing louder as scandalous news about made-up sicknesses, useless or even  dangerous medications and lethal side-effects are making the round.

The same applies to vaccines. It doesn’t mean they are scientifically valid. Why is it that we are willing to listen to people who make movies about 8 people, not to doctors who treat hundreds of HIV positive people?

Could it be that AIDS may be another one of those scandals?

Koch’s postulates were held to be true for HIV/AIDS and we have experimented enough on the virus to find out how it works.

“Years from now, people will find our acceptance of the HIV theory of AIDS as silly as we find those who excommunicated Galileo.”
(Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize-winning American biochemist)

Another famous name. Kary Mullis is the creator of PCR. Also rather wrong about AIDS since his own PCR keeps finding HIV in people with AIDS.

Remember, people with AIDS have HIV, people with HIV may not have AIDS. There are different strains of HIV with different progress rates. If you have the one that moves slowly then you can live a long time knowing you are HIV positive with no AIDS and so believe that you are perfectly fine.

WIth medicine we can stretch this time out so that HIV may not be the cause of death.

This film is dedicated to the pending questions surrounding HIV:
• What exactly is HIV? What constitutes AIDS?

HIV is a membrane bound retro-virus and is the organism that is scientifically accepted as the cause for AIDS.

HIV affects the white blood cells, specifically your  lymphocytes destroying your specific immune system precipitating AIDS which is a crisis state where you lack the specific immune system to fight off pathogens. This results in repeated infections until something kills you. This also means you  are prone to certain cancers.

This can range from diseases like TB, Pneumonia to ones like Kaposi’s sarcoma and systemic mycosis.

• Why have predictions about an impending epidemic in Western countries not come to pass?

We had an epidemic in Western Nations. What are you kidding me? We just had it in a population that was small and tightly knit.

Here, let Joe tell you a story. The epidemic hit the gay community. There were a bunch of reasons for this.

1. Gay men didn’t have a pressing need for using condoms, straight women do. Pregnancy. With the advent of anti-virals and antibiotics the majority of known STDs were now harmless. Syphillis once ate faces, now was a single shot.

2. Anal sex  transmits the disease more rapidly than vaginal sex

3. Gay men didn’t have a social pressure that demonised sexuality leading to a culture of pick up sex. Gay men had more unprotected anal sex than women and straight men were having vaginal sex and with more partners.

4. Each Gay man is a bigger percentage of the population of gay people. In a town of 1000 men, around 30 would be expected to be gay. Even if each gay man sleeps with 3 other gay men  that would be 10% of the population. You are just way more likely to come into contact with a sexual partner who has HIV.

5. The silent nature of the disease lead to it’s rapid spread before anyone noticed. In addition? Being a “Gay” disease meant that people were unwilling to make serious steps towards prevention of the disease and many HIV+ patients were treated quite appallingly.

The HIV community is still reeling from the damage caused to gay men (By contrast? Exclusive Lesbians have the lowest rate of HIV transmission. So to the “God Hates Gays” folk? Maybe, but he really likes Lesbians. Still? Use protection.) Even today gay men still form demographically one of the biggest sources of HIV. For a group of people who make up  less than 3% of the population they have around 50% of new HIV cases.

There are fears that this is rising because a new generation of gay men are being born who didn’t experience the devastation of the epidemic in the 80s and 90s and there are fears among older gay men that they may see a second epidemic due to falling rates of condom usage.

The main reason why HIV didn’t spread to the level it did in Africa?

Medicine. We had good check ups, good education, good access to contraception and no religious (oh boy did they try though) rationale for not using condoms. A stable society helped us promote these things and actively encourage safe sex and education which helped prevent the spread of STDs through social medical programs.

It’s also the reason why Cholera is pretty rare too.

• Why is particularly Africa affected?

Because Africa lacks

1. Health Infra-structure

2. Universal Education

3. Stable Politics

4. Poverty

This makes it rife for quackery which exists in spades. From the anti-condom stances of the Catholics to various practices in African Traditional Religion (such as the infamous “sex with virgin cure”).

In addition? War has ravaged large parts of Africa with rape being common.

So people don’t know about HIV/AIDS, there are no government schemes that are well funded to promote anti-HIV programs that work or they lack the resources and manpower to implement schemes. In every case such progress is opposed by quackery from various groups who are given equal credence.

It is also the home of the disease so it had longer to spread there. In addition? Our condoms kept our straight population safe while the Catholic opposition to condoms alongside Islamic anti-condom stances guaranteed a religious onus to not use condoms and the push of misinformation about condoms even after the discovery of HIV in the 80s.

So to sum up? Poor Social, Economic and Medical motivators. Religious opposition. Active quackery. War. Plus being the source of the disease. If we compare to India, where the disease is imported? The better access of medicine, secular society with religious support and stable society has enabled a stronger response to HIV and AIDS and a control of the disease. In addition? Educational programs are more successful in combating HIV especially with the roles traditional medicine and untrained medical personnel are given in spreading education rather than quackery in India.

• How can it be that a sexually transmitted disease allegedly affects 90% of the gay community yet spares heterosexuals in comparison?

90% of the gay community! That’s interesting!

It is estimated that 18% of Men who have Sex With Men (according ot the CDC) are HIV Positive. This is Gay, Bi or any group of genetically male people who have sex with other men. Not 90%. And this is without bringing up Lesbians.

This is a huge number if you look at the MSM as a population, but a tiny number overall. MSM make up 2 to 3% of the population. In the USA this is around 10 million individuals across the entire nation. The issue is that around 50% of all HIV cases come JUST from here for the prior mentioned reasons.

• How come there are HIV positive people, who are still healthy even decades after their diagnosis?

Because your body produces more T-Cells. There is not a finite number of them and we can keep making more ones. The problem is that there is a latency period where HIV numbers build up. The virus’s cycle is slower so the disease progresses slowly.

In addition? Anti-Retrovirals have slowly increased the life span of HIV positive people to the point HIV may be considered a chronic disease.

Do we have to accept death, just because a doctor tells us that we are going to die?

No. See above. The thing is with medication we can control HIV to the point you can live a normal life under medication.

The other option is not fantasy and fairy dust.

This film will change everything you thought you knew about HIV and AIDS. It invites you to start questioning what we are told by the so-called “experts” and to regain personal responsibility of your own body and life.

By replacing it with stuff no one knows about HIV and AIDS because it is “made up”. Dara O’Briain was right. Medicine is the only science where we consider quacks to be someone you can turn to in an “interest of fairness”. No one turns away from NASA to talk to the man who thinks the Earth is flat. No one turns away from a car mechanic to talk to the man who thinks pixies control your car.

When you use the term in inverted commas I have to start questioning credentials myself. Journalist is a rather daft word for documentary about nonsense. I mean the History Channel was claiming “ancient civilisations had contact with aliens”, does that mean we should believe such tripe?

Not one person on the making of list was medically trained.

And they helpfully have included a discussion panel.

The discussion panel afterwards will include:

  •  The Director, Ann Sono, who will be able to share behind the scenes details, stories that had to be cut, and follow-up.

Okay. So not a doctor.

  •  Joan Shenton, former national TV broadcaster and journalist, and award-winning documentary maker. She has just finished editing a documentary about a group of long-term ‘non-progressors’ – now branded ‘elite controllers’ by the AIDS orthodoxy just to make sure you believe there’s no hope of you emulating their success – and we hope to be announcing when that will be shown soon as well.

AIDS orthodoxy? You make it sound all cool. Long Term Non-Progressors?

But yes, Joan Shenton is none of these things. She is however a famous quack and HIV denialist. As for the LTNP/Elite Controllers?

Roughly 1 in 300 people are LTNP/Elite Controllers. These are people who are resistant to HIV’s progress of disease and many don’t know if they have HIV until discovered by chance or by the onset of symptoms later on. The clinical relevance of the classification is not definitive because some patients classified in this category have gone on to develop AIDS. It is likely, however, that these patients were not true LTNP patients or that the disease progression was retarded.

As for why they exist? Genetic traits confer greater resistance to HIV. This enables their immune systems to mount an actual resistance. These patients progress slowly even to the point of requiring anti-retrovirals let alone full blown AIDS. Some LTNP are affected with a weakened strain of HIV which explains their slow progress.

This can be due to

  • Gene mutation. A mutation in the FUT 2 gene affects the progression of HIV-1 infection. 
  • Mitochondrial DNA. Different mitochondrial DNA haplotypes in humans may increase or a decrease rates of AIDS progression. 
  • Receptor mutations. A low percentage of LTNP have been shown to have inherited mutations of the CCR5 receptor of T cell lymphocytes. HIV uses CCR5 to enter these cells. It is believed that the Δ32 (delta 32) variant of CCR5 impairs HIV ability to infect cells and cause disease. An understanding of this mechanism led to the development of a class of HIV medicines, the entry inhibitors. This is not a common  mutation though.
  • HLA type (Human Leukocyte Antigen) has also been correlated with this. Strong correlations have been found between possessing the class 1 HLA-B*5701, 5703, and/or 2705 alleles and resistance to HIV.
  • Antibody production. All individuals with HIV make antibodies against the virus. The issue is that latency (the virus in a dormant form with it’s DNA within the healthy DNA of a cell) has already been established. In most cases these antibodies are produced 2 to 4 years after infection. By this time the latent reservoir is established and the disease becomes impossible to eradicate. In some rare patients the antibodies are produced earlier. These are not true LTNPs but have a slower progression to AIDS. A true LTNP has a static state of HIV titres.
  • APOBEC3G protein production. In a small number of people infected with HIV, the virus is naturally suppressed without medical treatment. These people may carry high quantities of a protein called APOBEC3G that disrupts viral replication in cells. “A3″ for short, is a protein that sabotages reverse transcription, the process HIV relies on for its replication. A3 prevents latent viruses from becoming active.

Note the differences in approach.

By contast? Her site offers as examples the cases of Jody Wells and Huw Christie as people who beat HIV. Both are dead.

Another case she showcased?  Christine Maggiore, a Californian businesswoman who helped found an international group, now called “Alive and Well Aids Alternatives”. That was before her three-year-old HIV-positive daughter died of pneumonia and, in 2008, her own death.

  •  Mike Hersee, co-founder of HEAL London, who has been involved with a number of couples and single mothers and their battles to protect their children against the bullying and arrogant onslaught by the medical establishment, aided and abetted by an obseqious judiciary

Mike Hersee runs a quack organisation. I won’t be responsible for upping his traffic, so there is no link. If you want? Google Heal London. Mike in short runs the sort of anti-medical “group” that promotes quackery under the guise of freedom in the same way that people promote not wearing motorcycle helmets as freedom.

  •  At least one or two women who have found themselves in the same situation as women in the film and who will be able to answer questions personally

Do you notice the trend?

The experts discussing HIV and AIDS didn’t even know about the research into LTNP. Not one doctor among them. And how is it a panel discussion if everyone on it is a quack? Not one medical voice among the lot. Not one person who has worked with HIV patients as a whole. Instead what we see is someone dictating what the 299 in 300 must do based on the 1 in 300.

And here is the thing that is common among quacks. An emphasis on personal anecdote of a single person over knowledge and that personal anecdotes trump statistical evidence, experience and education.

SOAS should be ashamed of themselves for encouraging such a murderous stance when it affects so many people in Africa and Asia. SOAS and the University of London should stand for education rather than quackery. SOAS should stand for issues that help and promote health among Asian and Black people, not the quacks who promote disease. With this you betray African and Asian people. With this you betray the Gay

I wanted to end this on a note of hope. Remember how I said I will come to the effect of retrovirals later? 90 days makes all the difference.

Comments

  1. colnago80 says

    Peter Duesberg is a classic example of a once productive scientist turning into a nutcase. His early work on retroviruses was groundbreaking. In his nuttiness, he joins the likes of Linus Pauling, William Shockley, J. Allen Hynek, Brian Josephson, Lynn Margulis, et al.

  2. Musca Domestica says

    What does this crap have to do with Asian and African Studies? The makers are white, there are only two African cases mentioned here (btw, it doesn’t say whether Line or her husband took any meds – judging by her name and prison sentence, they would’ve been readily available)? And if the meds aren’t helping, why is the mortality significantly delayed in “Western” world, vs. Africa?

    3. Gay men didn’t have a social pressure that demonised sexuality leading to a culture of pick up sex.

    I think it was precisely the demonization of homosexuality that lead to the culture – you couldn’t form open relationships without attracting hate, so you took what sex you could get, in the bushes or other not always so secret meeting places… Of course I’m not a gay man, so this is just my take on what happened.

  3. Richard Jefferys says

    Karri Stokely’s own description of her health after 11 years on HIV treatment and initial embrace of AIDS denialism is preserved in the “Questioning AIDS” forum archives: http://forums.questioningaids.com/showthread.php?t=770

    She also posted after stopping HIV treatment, noting that she was rapidly losing weight and experiencing symptoms that prevented her from continuing the daily 3.5 “power walk” that had been part of her routine while on HIV treatment: http://forums.questioningaids.com/showthread.php?t=775

    Note that she does eventually return to the first thread to disavow her original comments and reframe them to fit with denialist mythology. This film’s claim about Karri’s GI problem is seemingly based on her own diagnosis, which was reinforced by leading denialists such as Duesberg’s colleague David Rasnick and Liam Scheff. Rasnick actually appears to have gone to hospital with Stokely to rail against the doctors for wanting her to restart treatment. What she had actually been diagnosed with was CMV colitis, a serious opportunistic infection. As happened to many people with AIDS in the era prior to effective treatment, including my friend Nicolas who died in 1994, CMV colitis was followed by CMV retinitis, causing blindness.. If you visit the AIDS denialist “Rethinking AIDS” Facebook group, yet another member there, Jay Garland, now has CMV retinitis and is receiving appalling advice about it.

    Even by the most simple minded analysis Karri’s case flatly contradicts denialism – 11 years on treatment, healthy by her own account and doing a daily 3.5 mile power walk. Four years off treatment, ill and then deceased.

    Similarly, the other information about the supposed health of the people featured in the film cannot be trusted. Lindsey Nagel is reported to have passed HIV infection onto her newborn after avoiding treatment to prevent mother-to-child transmission, and in these reports it was stated that Nagel now has an AIDS diagnoses. As is often the case when denialist figureheads get sick, there has been no additional information about this recently.

  4. says

    Richard – It’s incredibly daff that SOAS would even host this considering how bad this is as a form of quackery. Karri’s death was at the hands of these vultures and they are still profiting from it.

    I am officially stating that since I cannot go and ask awkward questions, anyone wanting to print this post out and just mock them repeatedly in open conversation is welcome to do so. Hell, if you weren’t planning to do anything, tonight and are in the London Area? Go shake a fist at quacks for me.

  5. brucegorton says

    Wait what? Churches are fucking handing out quack bullshit about HIV? Wait what?

    This is one of the reasons why I tend to discount the whole mantra about religious charity that gets pushed so hard as a positive.

    In South Africa a while back we had a case before our advertising standards authority – where a church had an advert telling people to throw away their ARVs as a sign of their faith in God. They claimed this would cure the disease.

    This is particularly evil, because one of the effects of ARVs is to cut down new infections – as the drugs kill the virons, they end up being that much less likely to get transmitted.

    And due to the side effects of the drugs, and how HIV works people who got off them felt much better – at first.

    The leading group suffering new infections at the time were the spouses of those already infected, and here this bunch of Goddy-fuck-shitballs were telling people to throw away their medicine.

    This church was I think based on a fundamentalist sect from America, which probably had a whole schpiel about how it was ministering to those dying of AIDS in Africa in order to get donations from its members.

    Personally I think they were engaged less in charity, more in faith-based genocide.

  6. stever says

    AIDS is just about the perfect disease for the Church to exploit. Not only does it kill slowly, maximizing suffering, but it’s transmitted primarily by “sin.” Does the Vatican have a virology lab?

  7. Jürgen Faas says

    hiv is scientifically dead. Whether you look at the (lack of) Isolation of hiv, the epidemic data, the Padian study (on sexual transmission), or whatever else, the emperor is naked. It´s hard to believe, yes, but “they” have nothing. Zero. Ok, except for the power to suppress the truth. And a “free thought” blog applauds to it (?).
    As for Koch´s postulates, even Montagnier said: WE DID NOT PURIFY.
    Here you can learn more: http://www.theperthgroup.com/whatargued.html
    Also there are two (documentary) films by Brent Leung: House of Numbers, and The Emperor´s New Virus
    (at least major parts of them are freely available on YouTube)

  8. says

    Except all Viruses are “Scientifically Dead” only operating in living cells.

    The Epidemic Data is clear, the mechanism of action is clear and frankly this is just lunacy. We keep pointing out people who listen to you die of AIDS, if they kept on their medication they could live for a longer life span.

    And you are arguing with someone who does the sort of thing as the video. Where people who have HIV get the drugs and improve and live long lives and have kids who don’t have HIV. What you are pushing is death.

    1% of all HIV patients are due to the actions of one of the people mentioned in my article. Africa’s HIV burden is constantly created by pseudo scientific nonsense such as yours.

  9. says

    Jurgen Faas (comment #7) is repeating Denialist tropes that are not true. HIV has been isolated by the most rigorous scientific standards. Even Peter Duesberg (denialist scientist mentioned in the article) has steadfastly supported the fact that HIV has been isolated. Duesberg even tried to claim a monetary prize offered by The Perth Group to prove HIV has been isolated. Even Duesberg says Perth’s requirement standard is unrealistic and they would know that if Perth included any research scientists. Duesberg says the fact that HIV has been cloned molecularly is even greater proof that HIV exists. (Just to clarify, Duesberg’s argument against HIV as the cause of AIDS is that he does not believe a retrovirus can kill T-cells.)

    Also, Koch’s Postulates have been fulfilled. Duesberg even says so. And in the article that Duesberg says this, written by Duesberg himself, Duesberg provides the citation by science journalist Jon Cohen called: The Duesberg Phenomenon published in SCIENCE.

    Faas’ comment about HIV not being sexually transmitted and using the Padian Study as proof is also ridiculous. That study is always used by denialists and they misrepresent the study by highlighting some unfortunate wording in the study. Even Nancy Padian has tried to correct them, but to no avail. However, even if that one study did support the denialist argument, it is still JUST ONE study. Since that study there have been more recent studies with more people for the same length of time that prove that HIV is sexually transmitted. But the denialists do not want to discuss those, of course. There have also been many documented cases that prove HIV was passed from one person to another. This was proven by showing the virus in person B is the same molecularly as the original virus in person A.

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  15. Austine says

    Hello let me quick drop this testimony that I witness on my own. This man is real and he is genuine and he can as well help you as he did to me. Last month here I found out that am affected, but it was him that helped me. I was detected HIV positive but this man make me negative, I will do anything for this man that save my life I was hopeless when I saw my result and I was very sad, to see am positive and he that cure HIV didn’t let me down but he did according to his promise and make me great and strong, in him am writing this to the world to see that he is really great man and he can also help you, you can call him DR.FADEYI, this is his name and you can email him on any of this email [email protected] and this man has rules and regulations, if you can go according to his rule you will be happy like me as I am now, this man cure takes 45mins with 100% guarantee assurance. you can call him any time on +2348109468820

  16. says

    I want to say hello to the world at large, I am very grateful for the good deeds DR. AIRHOHO did for me, I was a HIV patient, everything went bad for me, I couldn’t do things with my friends anymore, I loosed my job, I loosed everything, I was even waiting for death itself, I went searching on the internet I saw many testimonies on how different spell casters helped people in curing their deadly diseases, I collected one spell caster’s email, which DR. AIRHOHO I emailed him and he answered me, I told him all problems, he ask me not to worry, that I will be free from the deadly disease, which I did, he casted the spell, and told me that he will send a holy water to me through courier services, I was surprised, because he did not mention it to me before, I paid for the courier delivery service, I got a holy water, he asked me to drink it which I did and he asked me to go for a medical check-up in a hospital, I went to the hospital I went for a HIV test, I was tested HIV negative, I was shocked, I asked myself, “is there still good helpers out there”? I promised to share my testimony to the whole world, I’m now free, I have a better job, if you are passing through pains you need help you can share your problems to DR. AIRHOHO BREEZ AT EMAIL [email protected] OR CALL +2348155166695

  17. Kate Morrison says

    My name is Kate Morrison, from Mexico, i had HIV AIDS for three years, i also gave birth to my first with HIV, i was in deep sorrow and in search for help on how to treat myself, one day i came across a blog where a testimony was given by woman Named SARA who was treated from HIV AIDS by the help of spell caster, so i made a contact to the email: [email protected] i got from the blog, i never really believed but i just decided to give it a try, this spell caster Dr prophet SK told me everything i needed to know and what to do to get cured, so i made an arrangement for the treatment i applied the medicine and after 5 days, i was feeling good and healthy at once, my strength was regained i went for check up in the hospital and my doctor told me i am cured, this is the greatest miracle that has happened to me in my whole life, and that is why i am sharing my testimony to the world, i never expected this was possible, if you have any health issue call +2348158847627 or email him for help

  18. Nathalie Beniot says

    I am Nathalie Beniot from Germany, I can’t stop thanking DR OVIA for this Great thing that he has just done in my life, I am so so greatful to him, i was suffering from HIV seizures and kidney failure when i contacted DR OVIA after reading the wonderful testimony that people has been sharing about him, when i contacted him, he assure me that he will cure me with his herbal medicine and now he really did so, and i am now completely cured from my HIV seizures and kidney failure. What will i say rather than thanking him for rescue my life, Anybody looking this wonderful testimony, should please contact DR OVIA if you have any problem, here is his email: [email protected] or can call him +2347067610698.. His herbal medicine is fast in active and powerful once i used it, in three days, i was cured again.

  19. says

    Hello my name is Hellen Paul from United states I never believed in spell casters until my life fell apart when my lover of 4 years decided to call it quit. I was so confused that i had an accident that left me pains. After 7 months of emotional pain and languish,one day i came across a blog where a testimony was given by woman Named Lisa who was treated from HIV AIDS by the help of spell caster, so i made a contact In less than 48hours i saw wonders, my Lover came back to me and my life got back just like a completed puzzle… am so happy.. [email protected] have all kinds of spells from pregnancy to love,from employment to visa lottery winning. He has spell to stop divorce,spell to make someone look attractive and others. here’s his contact for serious minded people only, it might be of help…[email protected] or you can still reach him through his cell phone number +2348066356923 thanks am so grateful as you saved my life…….

  20. elina gilbert says

    My Name is elina gilbert From Canada .i never believed in love spells or magic until i met this spell caster once. when i went to Africa in April 5th this year on a business Tripp.i meant a man called Dr.sunny, He is powerful he could help you cast a spells to bring back your love’s gone,misbehaving lover looking for some one to love you, bring back lost money and magic money spell or spell for a good job.i am now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 3 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 2 years… i really loved him, but his mother was against me and he had no good paying job. so when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him..at first i was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try. and in 6 days when i returned to Canada, my boyfriend (is now my husband ) he called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married..i didn’t believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do… well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid,and my husband also got a new job and our lives became much better. in case anyone needs the spell caster for some help, email address [email protected] or call him on +2348135049467…

  21. says

    ALL THE VIEWERS AND READERS PLEASE FIND IT IN YOUR HEART TO FORGIVE ME,I KNOW I HAD DONE SO MANY WRONG THINGS AT PAST TIMES,I DON’T KNOW WHERE TO START WITH MY TESTIMONY..
    I AM VANESSA, i got married to a man [JEROME],who had a wife [JOSEPHINE] already,then i was made the second wife,and this JOSEPHINE has a daughter for my husband,called CHRISTABEL,JOSEPHINE was suffering from leg pain,that later took her life. so Christabel was left to live with me,and my two kids,PATIENCE AND GLORY,Christabel was the eldest of them, so i was misusing CHRISTABEL,SHE is the only one doing all the house work,anytime she dose some thing wrong,i wouldn’t give her food to eat all through the day,and beat her up with anything close to me,but she never worry,or insult me.or report to my husband.because i told her if she did i will kill her,i did this to some extent that,one day,she was on her menstruation period, she was afraid to tell me, she was not having enough cloth,so the only cloth she had she put it into her pant,so that, the cloth would soak the bleeding,and the cloth,i was the one that brought it for her,that the only cloth i ever brought for her,then the following morning i saw her cloth on the ground,with blood stain,i called her,and ask her what is this, she told me every thing, but i beat her up, and force the blood in the cloth into her mouth,i over heard her,as she was crying,cursing me,but never bother to listen to the word she was using,but now my two daughters and my son are yet to give birth,PATIENCE,GLORY AND EXCEL,AT their age[37,34 and 31]but they are married no children,i had gone to many places to know the cause of the problem,and CHRISTABEL WAS LIVING HAPPILY with her husband and four kids, three boys and a girl.i don’t know how my children,came to know about this HIOYA TEMPLE,when they got there, they told them i was the curse of their, problem,so one morning they all came home,and ask me what have i done to disturb their lives,the question sound,funny.i told them i had done nothing to hold their lives back,they cried me,down to this Hioya temple,i saw the man.he ask me what,did i do to some one,over 19 year ago,i forgot everything.i said nothing,HE EXPLAIN WHAT I DID TO ME,and this CHRISTABEL was helping my children with their needs and always come and pay me a visit and she always called me mummy,so this MAN HIOYA told me to go and apologize to her,once she accept the apology,then he will cast a pregnancy spell on my children,we all went to CHRISTABEL’S house and apologize,she forgives me,so they went back to the spell caster, for the pregnancy spell,TODAY PATIENCE CALL ME AND TOLD ME SHE IS PREGNANT,but I haven’t heard anything from the others,maybe they are still angry.with me that’s why they haven’t called me,..THANKS TO DOCTOR HIOYA FOR EVERY THING, IF YOU ARE FACINGS ANY PROBLEM,VISIT THIS GREAT HIOYA VIA [[email protected]]]

  22. mrs elena says

    I am MRS ELENA HOMSON from RUSSIA, my facebook username is enena homson.i want to use this medium to testify of how i got cured from HIV AIDS, HIV AIDS is known not to have a cure, i contacted this disease in 2008, i have done all my best to get cured from this disease but all to no avail until a friend of mine told me about a healing spell dr OVIA on the internet who helps people cure any kind of diseases including HIV AIDS, Cancer, Herpes etc, at first i doubted if it was real but decided to give it a try,i have gone to many hospital and herbs there were know positive change on it.until i contacted this spell caster he helped me cast a healing spell and i was healed within 72hours (3days) i am really happy today then i decide to let the whole world know that there is a great man that can cure all kind of disease with asking for payment.if you also have any disease that is related to it, please Contact this great spell caster for any kind of disease or ailment via this email [email protected] OR call him via +2349032500038

  23. Clarisse Walter says

    My name is Clarisse Walter, I live in Texas (USA). [READ MY STORY. ON HOW I GOT MY AIDS CURED]. Truthfully, i was tested HIV + positive 3years ago. I kept on managing the drugs i usually purchase from the health care agency to keep me healthy and strengthened, i
    tried all i could to get cured from thie disease (HIV/AIDS), but unfortunately, it kept on eating up my life, this is what i caused myself, for having sex to unsecured without protection, although i never knew he was HIV positive. So last few days i came in contact with a lively article on the internet on how this Powerful Herb Healer get her well and healed. So as a patient i knew this will take my life 1 day, and i need to live with other friends and relatives too. So i copied out Dr VENDAVU’s (the traditional healer) email id: ([email protected]), and i mailed him immediately, in a little while
    he mailed me back that i was welcome to his temple home whereby all what i seek for are granted. I was please at that time. And i continue with him, he took some few details from me and told me that he shall get back me as soon as he is through with my work. I was very happy as heard that from him. So Yesterday, as i was just coming from my friends house, Dr VENDAVU called me to go for checkup in the hospital and see his marvelous work that it is now HIV negative, i was very glad to hear that from him, so i quickly rush down to the nearest hospital (Menninger Clinic) to confirm what he told me, only to hear from my hospital doctor called Browning Lewis that i am now HIV NEGATIVE. I jump up at him with the test note, he ask me how does it happen and i related to him all i went through with Dr . Vendavu. I am now glad, so i am a gentle type of person that need to share this testimonies to everyone who seek for healings, because if you dont do anything about it, the disease might get to finish your life off. So i will advice you contact him today for your healing:

    Email ID: ([email protected])

  24. ANDRE EDWARDO says

    Hello to the world at large I want to use this medium to tell
    the world about Doctor BULL
    who helped me in getting my
    lover back with his powerful
    spell, my ex and i where having
    misunderstanding which led to our breakup though i went to
    beg her several times to please
    forgive and accept me back
    because i know i offended her
    but each time i went i always
    feel more deeply in pain and agony because she always walk
    out on me and would not want
    to listen to what i have to tell
    but on i faithful day as i was
    browsing i came arose a
    testimony of a woman whose problem was more than mine and
    yet Doctor BULL helped her
    with his spell so i was happy and
    also contacted Doctor BULL for
    help via email and then told him
    my story but the only thing he said was that i will wipe you tear
    with my spell so lucky for me
    everything want well just as he
    promised and right now i have
    got my fiance back and we are
    both living happily. there is nothing Doctor BULL can not do
    with is spell and just as promise
    my self i will keep testifying on
    the internet of how Doctor BULL helped me.Are your
    problem greater that mine or less i give you 100% guarantee
    that Doctor BULL will put an
    end to it with his powerful spell,
    contact Doctor BULL for help
    Via email
    [email protected] GETTING YOUR EX LOVER BACK.
    2. WINNING LOTTERIES.
    3. CHILD BEARING.
    4. BREAKING OF GENERATION
    COURSE.
    5. GETTING OF JOB. 6. JOB PROMOTION.
    7. MONEY SPELL.
    8. SPIRITUAL PROTECTION.
    9. HERBAL CARE.
    10. BEAUTY SPELL.
    11. HIV CURE.

  25. Mabel Ike says

    I have been suffering from HIV/AIDS since 6years now, and i have a kid for my husband, and now we cannot continue to have any other child again because of my disease. I have gone to several places to seek for help yet nobody could help, until i met a comment on the daily news paper that was commented by a lady named Britney on how this powerful herbal doctor helped her get cured of her disease HIV-AIDS. Firstly i thought seeking help from an African doctor was a wrong idea, but i said to myself, will i continue to live with this disease all my life when i have heard that somebody like me was healed and saved from the same HIV/AIDS, I said it’s not my portion to remain in this my condition. so i contacted him through his Email address at ([email protected]), so after i have mailed him, he responded to me after some hours after and he said to me that i should not be afraid, that he is a truthful and powerful doctor which i firstly claimed him to be because of what i read about him before i contacted him. So he promised me that i will be healed but there are some items needed to prepare the herbal medicine and obeyed all that he said because am the one in need of help not him. I did all by accepting his Words, Some weeks of taking his herbal medicine i notice some changes in my body system and i went for check up the day he asked me to go for check up to confirm if the sickness was still there or not, to my greatest surprise i could not find any sickness on my body. Firstly i was shocked, i mean it was like a joke to me and later i arise to be the happiest woman on earth after i have concluded my final test on the hospital by my doctor that i am now HIV- Negative. My papers for check are with me and now i am so happy and glad for his miraculous work over my life. With these i must tell everyone who might seek for any help, either for HIV cure or much more, so contact him now on his private Email: [email protected] He has done mine, he can also do yours.I will never forget the the happiness you brought back into my life.

  26. moureen solomon says

    all thanks to dr osas for
    for healing my brother from HIV sickness, he was very sick for a year plus
    and my daddy have spend so much money on medical care and drug he have
    being taking to some many place for healing… even different pastor
    have pray for him it get worse if not for dr osas that came to our needs, the man that solve all problems is here, the man that the lord god have giving the power to put every thing in place the man that give a word and never fail, my kid
    brother was just chatting one day when he see this post of jack about
    the curing of HIV virus by dr osas he run to my daddy and tell him
    about the man my daddy decided to call him and confirm it if it is
    true about the cure the man just assure him about his work that the
    great power of is for father and his gods cure any disease include
    HIV/AID, Ebola, Rota virus, Smallpox ,Hepatitis well we have hope on
    him which we give a try to after five days my kind brother started
    getting better as am write this comment his is at work now what a
    miracle….. if you need help from dr osas contact him now my friend
    through his email or phone number [email protected] call
    +2349035428122

  27. Monica rice says

    This is real take it serious, who will believe that a herb can cure HIV, i navel believe that this will work i have spend a lot when getting drugs from the hospital to keep me healthy, what i was waiting for is death because i was broke, one day i hard about this great man who is well know of HIV and cancer cure, i decided to email him, unknowingly to me that this will be the end of the HIV aids in my body, he prepare the herb for me, and give me instruction on how to take it, at the end of the one month, he told me to go to the hospital for a check up, and i went, surprisingly after the test the doctor confirm me negative, i thought it was a joke, i went to other hospital was also negative, then i took my friend who was also HIV positive to the Dr azama, after the treatment she was also confirm negative . He also have the herb to cure cancer please i want every one with this virus to be free, that is why am dropping his email address, [email protected] do email him he is a great man. the government is also interested in this DR, thank you for saving my life, and I promise I will always testify for your good work. or call him on +2347018951819

  28. cristaina says

    Hello my name mrs cristaina moore 101 days ago This is a testimony of my life,I am saying this so that people
    will know that a lot of deadly
    disease that have cure but hard and rear to see.
    I am a Nurse In one of the Biggest Hospital In town, have
    carry my problem (HIV/AIDS) And heart pain everywhere for
    cure,churches and a lot of place but there was
    no solution because I do not know how come I Came about
    it and I didn’t want my family or husband to fine out about
    the HIV.
    I was in silent pain and hiding it and going to a lot Of
    place,but last year,there was a post on a site, people said it
    was so faked,I took the email ([email protected]) and
    contacted him and I didn’t even want to know What they are
    talking about because its was my personnel problem.
    I contacted Him and I was cured within 3 weeks without ANY
    PAYMENT because know my financial state,but I should tell
    you people,I never trust this man but just follow up
    and honestly Speaking,I have run 15 test in different hospital
    and I am totally cured of HIV Why I Am saying this is that
    People should not die in shame, but i was told by him that
    he also cure CANCER AND A LOT OF DEADLY ILLNESS and
    please be careful and get your healing
    today.

  29. Rose says

    i will thank Mrs Sonia for letting the world knows the powerful woman that help her from AIDS disease. This was what i have all my life been waiting for since i was infected by HIV last 6 months. I always spend money for drugs always but still yet my weight becomes poorer and my joint always getting painful and inching all day. But when i met this comment last 3 days, i quickly contacted Madam loveth the Traditional helper. she is from the western part of Africa, i didn’t spend much as i spent for drugs each day, and i for the fact truly reason this because my life was already as take by this disease called AIDS. Truly, when it was 9:00 clock on Monday this week she called me that his oracle urgently required some few life items to enable the disease wipe out successfully, then i was asked to send down 200 usd ($). Which i did. He truly bought the items and surprisingly, yesterday afternoon Madam loveth called me that my work has been finally done and it work out well. I was glad and she told me to rush down to my hospital for checkup. Which i really did, my brothers and sisters i went down crying because no one has ever done this to a person in life. Madam loveth truly healed me. I was crying it was a dream to my eyes when the doctor said to me that I am HIV NEGATIVE. I am now a free born in life, am now like other people who now think things like human. For these days and forever, i will accept Madam loveth as my mother and my healer and helper. She is a great woman. Thank you ma. I know i cant reward you. But my God in heaven can. Thank you ma once again. Email her now for your problem solve at:( [email protected] )

    Regards.

  30. jack peterson says

    my name is alora yoo, I don’t no how to tell the world the greatest thing that happen in my life.I was so sick that I lose all the money I have in so many hospital still yet there was no solutions on till I go for blood test for different hospital almost five doctor told me I am H.I.V positive. & after then all hope I have was lost, I was waiting for death to come. One night I woke up in mind night start crying so my mind told me to check in Google so I see many testimony about. Dr samura I was daunting if the man is real, he is a great man but just because of the testimony of his good news.I said let me try and email him he reply me back I told him my problems he said that he will reply me back ten minute time after he consult the oracle. So he reply me after ten minute and told me the doctors were says the truth of my blood test. He said it was spiritual H.I.V. I was having that he can be able to help me. So I respond to all the things he ask me to do. then he ask me if i need spell casting or herbal cure then i choose herbal.after all the preparation then he send the herbal cure and i do according to what he said and i believe he can cure my illness. after using the herbs, i call him that i am through with the herbs and he tell me to go for checkup in three different hospital the doctors were wonder and told me I am now H.I.V. Negative..he is specialize on hiv,cancer,love spell,and metal problem. I am very very to thankful to you Dr samura for doing great in my life thank ones again I will never forget you. am grateful.if you are also passing through the same pain that i was please contact the great man via this email [email protected] or call him 2348151487373

  31. castellie says

    my name is Lisa castellie from USA.DR.Ada is the only Dr who could ever get your HIV-AIDS cured with his healing spell, i have tried almost everything but i couldn’t find any solution on my disease, despite all these happening to me, i always spend a lot to buy a HIV drugs from hospital and taking some several medications but no relieve, until one day i was just browsing on the internet when i come across a great post of !Michelle! who truly testify and said that she was been diagnose with HIV and was healed through the help of these great powerful healing spell doctor, sometime i really wonder why people called him Dr.Ada, i never knew it was all because of the great and perfect work that he has been doing that is causing all this. so i quickly contacted him, and he ask me some few questions and he said a thing i will never forget that anyone who contacted him is ! always getting his or her healing in just 2 days after doing all he ask you, so i was amazed all the time i heard that from him, so i did all things only to see that at the very day which he said i will be healed, all the strength that has left me before rush back and i becomes very strong and healthy, this disease almost kills my life all because of me, so i went to hospital to give the final test to the disease and the doctor said i am HIV negative, i am very amazed and happy about the healing DR.Ada gave to me from the ancient part Africa, you can email him now for your own healing too at: [email protected], or call him on his cell phone number on :+2348117640718.

  32. Benson Briggs says

    Hello my name is Pauline Philip let me give this testimony to the public about a great man who help me out in serious illness I have HIV AID for good 8 years and I was almost going to the end of my life due to the way my skin look like all I have in my mind is let me just give up because life was no interested to me any longer but I just pray for God every day to accept my soul when ever I’m gone lucky to me my kid sister ran to me that she found a doctor in the internet who can cure HIV/AIDS she helped me out on everything the man ask for my picture, so he can cast a spell on me from his temple after all he ask is done 45mins later I started getting more stronger my blood started flowing normally for 4 to 5 days I start getting Weight before a month my body start developing my skin start coming up after 2month I went for HIV test and I was tested negative I’m so happy that I can say I’m not a HIV patient if you have HIV/AIDS or any sickness please for your sake contact him for cure now on([email protected]) or Call +2348052696216

  33. Katelyn says

    Greetings My name is Katelyn from united states, i am here to thank DR Odia the powerful spell caster that rescue me from HIV AIDS. I was diagnosed of this disease in the year 2012, and because of this, i was very unhappy with my life, and i went into research on how i can get cured, i contacted allot of spell casters and none of them could help me rather they scammed me and took away my money without helping me. All this period of my life, i was sad and unhappy so one day as i was in the internet a decided to sign in a friend guestbook, only for me to see was a testimony of a lady on how she was helped by DR Odia, so i was confused to contact him at the moment because i didn’t want to be scammed again but after one week, i decided to contact him, so when i contacted him, he assure me that he will help me and i told him that many spell casters has also told me this but they all scammed me, he told me not to worry that he is going to help me, So i believe in him because all i wanted was to be cured, so he prepared a healing spell for me and told me to wait for just 24 hours, after 24 hours, i went to the hospital for test and to me happiness the test stated that i was cured from the disease.. This gladdens my heart and everybody in the hospital was surprised even the Medical Doctor, So viewers DR ODia is a God Gifted man and can help you to cure all types of sickness like HIV AIDS, CANCER, PILE, Kidney problem and lot’s more. You can contact him through his email on ( [email protected]).

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