Really Arch-Bishop! We must talk about Common Sense

The Church of England are tired of being the quiet vicars in charge of a tame religion. They wish for the spotlight yet again and Justin Welby is trying to make the Church more pro-active among the lives of (us) Brits.

In particular is his recent and rather distasteful opposition to Gay Marriages. Because the fabric of British society hinged upon  not recognising the right of two dudes to “do it” and have the doing of “it” recognised by due authority.

But this? This is a new low.

He is suggesting that Christians are being massacred because of Gay Rights movements in the west and that pro-Equality groups should cease their drive for the GLBT lest poor Christians in Africa get massacred.

“If we leave a Christian community here we will all be made to become homosexual and so we will kill all the Christians.” –  The alleged reason for a massacre.

Yemisi from the Yemmynist demolishes the argument much better than I can.

I have stood by gravesides in Africa of a group of Christians who had been attacked because of something that had happened in America. We have to listen to that. We have to be aware of the fact. If the Church of England celebrated gay marriages the impact of that on Christians far from here, in South Sudan, Pakistan, Nigeria and other places would be absolutely catastrophic. Everything we say here goes round the world.

1. Southern Sudan and Pakistan and indeed the Boko Haram of Nigeria are not killing people because they fear gay marriage in the UK somehow making them  fancy blokes but because they are religious fundamentalists who hate everything our ideas and concepts entail.

2. If we simply do what extremists tell us to do then we will live in a world dictated by extremism.

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan paid the price of listening to their extremists creating societies that create more extremism at the cost of their middle class.

The people who died?

The truth is they died because of us. Because of our ideas. They may have adopted a way of thinking from us. They may have liked our music. They may have watched our sports. But we didn’t pull the trigger. They died because they thought a bit like us and picked up our habits. And the fundies saw that some of our ideas were new and the fundamentalist fears the new.

If it wasn’t Gay Marriage it would be all day stores, IMAX theatres and letting women vote. The fundamentalists hate weird and bizarre things and trying to keep them satisfied would literally require our society to lose it’s technological advantage in order to live the luddite existence demanded by fundies.

Be it the fundies of the USA who demand restrictions to biology education, research and women’s health or the fundies of the Taliban who want to restrict ALL education. These are people who think the peak of human achievement was 2000 odd years ago and that since then things have gotten worse.

And we should not bow down to such.


  1. Alverant says

    Sounds more like victim blaming or hostage taking. The fault is with fundamentalist thought and ignorance.

  2. exi5tentialist says

    With this, Justin Welby has declared his little church to be beyond the pale.

  3. Pierce R. Butler says

    If we leave a Christian community here we will all be made to become homosexual and so we will kill all the Christians.

    The solution is simple, Archbishop Welby: to prevent Boko Haram massacres, we must abolish Christianity.

  4. opposablethumbs says

    to prevent Boko Haram massacres, we must abolish Christianity.

    Eminently sensible. Clearly the only way to prevent violence. Now that might actually get him to un-fuck-up the back-asswards notion of cause and effect he seems to have in his mind.

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