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Sorry You Got Hacked, But You Did Ask For It

A lot of people are aware that we got hacked.on Saturday and there are a lot of ideas flip flopping about on who is responsible for this and why.

My blog is one of the smaller blogs here, so being hit by an outage actually affects me in different ways. I don’t actually get paid for my work, the blog is my only source of income. It’s however used for

1. Plane Tickets home

2. Luxuries

3. Stuff like clothes

Now to most people this boils down to “Luxuries” but to me it’s important to have these things. I don’t have luxuries in my life. You are already home, you live in places comfortable to you and have social lives.

I have not. I have not seen my girlfriend in nearly a year and I am looking forward to valentine’s day like “crazy”. I am going to HAVE a Valentine’s day. Valentine’s day never used to be depressing for me because to me there was no point crying over not being able to go home. I don’t get Birthdays or Christmas or New Year’s Eve. Hell, the biggest party my country threw in the Royal Wedding, The Jubilee Celebration and the Olympics? I didn’t see ANY OF IT. I have given up a lot.

So the 3 to 4 weeks of banality you consider normal life is bliss to me. Plane tickets to go somewhere new may seem like a luxury to you but the are tickets “HOME” for me.

Let’s look at luxuries. This year’s luxury for me is a new camera. Why do I need a new Camera? Well I took my Camera to the Indian Rape Riots last year and it “died when rain water got into it”. It took me a year to save up enough money from writing to replace it. I also got a new laptop last year since my ancient one died. I also like “playing games” and they do give me something to do in my downtime. It’s mainly F2P stuff (see me on League of Legends if you like!) but I do own a copy of Starcraft and a few old games on Steam and Dominions 4 that help me keep busy when I have nothing else to do.

You say “boo hoo”, but I point out you HAVE these luxuries as the norm for you. You can go out to a nice restaurant, you can go out to a bar, you can go clubbing, you can go spend time with your friends. I haven’t had a drink since May and I am looking foward to my stop over in Abu Dhabi where I get to eat a Big Mac and get a glass of scotch. I actually have an envelope with money set aside in May JUST for this.

I do need clothes, nude medicine sadly is not very hygenic. But I do need clothes, in light of my travel to Nepal it means a small expansion of my wardrobe to include some cold weather gear and new hiking boots and a day sack. In addition I am donating £300 to my OWN ASTI fundraiser.

The majority of this has been paid for by my writing with the exception being the laptop.

So it amazes me people would begrudge me these things simply because of where I write. In many of the cases the implication is that anti-FTB would stop targetting my blog since it’s “one of the few nice blogs here” and that if I have something to say that they wish to read that I should not charge them (or accept money for it). Which is news to me since I once never charged anything for what I write and no one read my blog then. The only difference is now I am known through association and it’s easy to simply to deride what I write on association. To me it says “I was never going to read your blog, but if you weren’t here i would have no reason to stop others reading too”.

Yes, I have seen it on Reddit where I know people downvote blogs hosted at FTB on r/Atheism solely because they are on r/Atheism. People gloat over lower viewing figures and it suprises me since my views have generally been stable at around the 1500 to 2000 mark.

This DDOS was not directed at me, I probably was not the target of it. Even if I was the person who did so would garner no sympathy. Being the equivalent of the man who fights injustice by kicking toddlers. And while the outage doesn’t hurt me monetarily in the same way that it hurts PZ Myers or Ed Brayton or the other large traffic blogs, it does hurt me more. £2 is a small amount but I don’t have any supplementary earnings.

And people suggested to me repeatedly that we got hacked because we were asking for it by limiting free speech, criticising others and generally saying things that make others unhappy.

The aftermath of the attack in my case is the blog with the most liberal comment policy on FTB was silenced. Let’s ignore the rest of the myriad blogs here and discuss MY blog. The others are ugly and mean enough to defend their own blogs and don’t need my help.

There are restrictions on free speech on my blog. If your post effectively boils down to a gigantic bigotted rant you will be banned. If you cannot respect posts with SPECIFIC warnings to tell people to stay on target and that these posts are indeed safe spaces then you are going to get your posts deleted and eventually banned if you cannot respect that simple rule. If you broke into an AA meeting with a bottle of Jack while drunk in order to taunt the people attending you would be kicked out too. Free speech has it’s limitations especially on private blogs. I run a policy according to my own beliefs rather than those of others.

The people I have criticised? Well no one had any qualms when my criticism was aimed at quacks even when discussing the Natural/Home Birth Movement. People liked it when I was arguing with animal lib and criticising their attacks on University of Florida biologists. No, I fear that people’s biggest complains was my stances against the MRA who weighed into the Delhi Bus Rape or the Steubenville Rape victim’s slut shaming or the hamfisted approach of the MRA to Afghanistan. Hell? I know people were rubbing their hands with glee when I wrote about why I didn’t agree with A+ over third world photography and I don’t think they hacked us.

I have spoken out about atheists too. Pat Condell and his pro UKIP stance repeatedly have gotten an airing especially in light of the UKIP’s open homophobia, racism and sexism. Thunderfoot got an outing too on here after his frankly hamfisted approach to Anita Sarkeesian (who also got DDOSed) and her Tropes vs. Women video. I don’t agree with some of her examples and I know a lot of the ideas are less due to focussed hatred of women but the unconscious bigotry that permeates any single gender system. I in fact disagreed with many of her fans and their stance on the new reboot of Tomb Raider. I can agree with Anita’s project and it’s goals without agreeing on the nuance. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean I hate her and want to see her attacked by piranha.

There are thirty five blogs here at Freethought blogs. It is a huge number and we do have different things we are interested in. In many cases my interests in videogames does not run in the same vein as what many of my readers like and I know when I write about games I am guaranteed to see very small numbers. I do so because “I like doing that”.

The only real commonality here is we are all atheists and secularists. That is really it. The perception that FTBullies are all feminists is because some of the big bloggers here call themselves that (I am no feminist, I just play one on the Internet) and it doesn’t matter what the others think to our critics.

What it boils down to is the three targets do have a feminist vibe to them. FTB deals with female issues, Skepchick is a female skeptic site and Feminist Frequency has feminism in the name. To those who perpetrated the attack, this would seem like “revenge”.

It’s not. I have allowed people to speak here. Yes, I saw the hilarious posts by people suggesting this is a conspiracy theory or it’s just coincidence that 3 different sites on different servers went down simultaneously or that people are banned from FTB outright.

I know for a fact that Sara Mayhew (who I vehemently disagree with and find to be a terribly irritating person after her anti-Avicenna Fundraiser Rants. Particularly since some of my fundraisers have been for… Christina at WWJTD’s Prosthetic Leg and Ed Brayton’s Nephew getting medical equipment to help with rehabilitation after major burns and for Indian floods and the Cyclone in the Philippines. Apparently it’s e-begging when the art is medicine but not if it’s manga?) was rather amused at our irritation that our blogs were DDOSed.

I know for a fact that if her livelihood and major business was targetted she would be complaining about it too. And no one would say “Relax, it’s just japanese comic books, it’s not like it’s a real job. Like medicine”.

The DDOS did affect me negatively in that I lost a rather large post written up about warfare in Central Africa and the religious sectarianism there and how we are heading towards a similar situation that caused the Rwandan genocide. I don’t have the time to rewrite it so it is a statement that will never get talked about.

The money lost is miniscule, the time lost is a lot and in effect I was yet again collateral damage in an argument that didn’t involve me. That free speech was “defended” by damaging it as much as possible is just shockingly bad.

If you dislike what we say then go find your own blog. If you don’t like what I do then beat me at my own game. You come and pick up my job and show me how much better you are at it. Because all I see is “Oh look, another instance where I am collateral damage for stupid drama. Lucky I had exams and wasn’t running the blog at it’s normal activity so my losses aren’t as big as they would normally be”.

You may accuse me of Drama Blogging, but I didn’t start this. I was writing about Africa. The people who hacked me started this fight and I don’t wish to walk away without calling these people out for being unbelievable wankers. Despite the detractors my readers have seen that I have encouraged them to give to OTHER causes more than mine. Even though I am running a fundraiser for my own charity, I have asked readers to donate to other more immediate causes since I have a year to hit my targets.

What’s more is that I know that people are reading what I write because of the fundraisers and the videos others have made for my fundraiser and I know that many of these people would not have been active in atheism or are not atheists and are looking at ourr DDOS and thinking “What The Fuck”.

If you tear down my blog just because you don’t like what I write then complain about free speech then you are not a champion of free speech. If you denigrate my miniscule earnings then realise this is stuff I write OUTSIDE of my day job and is indeed a SECOND job. And if you suggest that I deserved to be silenced because of my association with feminism then you clearly live in a fantasy world if you think women don’t need help with the sort of things I support. And if you call me slacktivist then I must ask the question.

“What good have you done that lets you denigrate my pointless achievements?”

The DDOS was a message to me, that I am acceptable collateral damage and that I should indeed leave FTB because as long as I stay here no one will listen to me.

To which I say this.

If you don’t read what I write because it’s here then you never really wanted to read what I write in the first place. You were never going to agree with me. None of the ideals I have are shared by you. At no point are you going to say “I completely agree with your stances on Female Genital Mutilation but will not support you because you use Windows 8 and Microsoft are anti-competition, buy a Mac”. At no point are you going to say that somehow you were ever going to read what I write and agree with it if it was on my old blog (Since no one read that there!) or if I had my own website. In fact people were reading it in the levels that Skepchick, the big hitters of FTB and FemFrequency, then there is a good chance my website would have been DDOSed too.

So all the “I am sure the hackers never meant to hit you” and “maybe you should leave FTB if you want to be taken seriously” and “If you left FTB you would be safer” statements really aren’t helping since my actual readership and the bulk of it is down to moving to FTB and I think the bigger issue is the fact that people are trying to curtail others from reading by simply spreading falshoods about what FTB is really like. I know for a fact that I probably will never have a large readership because I mainly deal with topics outside the monkeysphere of western politics particularly American Politics and I don’t have a real life presence at the various atheist conventions. And I don’t mind, however it is rather silly to be told that if I left here the people who disagree with my stances would somehow come around.

It’s clear the hackers stand for everything opposite to what I stand for. Free Speech, Women’s Rights, The rights of the poor, Anti-Racism, Anti-Sexism, Anti-homophobia, Skepticism, Atheism? None of these were defended by the DDOS.

So no, I think I will be staying on here for a fair while. I quite like the company and I have met new friends courtesy of all of this whose opinions I value and who indeed have taught me a lot/kept me company when I have been losing my mind.

And what I asked for is an opportunity to be heard. Freethought Blogs was willing to give me that opportunity, no one else was.

Comments

  1. bronwyncaveney says

    I only found you through FTB, wouldn’t have otherwise. Now I read whatever you post; I’m learning new things and different perspectives. You’re right; most of us in the west are very comfortable and take for granted the things we have. Thank you for what you do.

  2. Psychopomp Gecko says

    Blog wherever you darn well want. It’s not your fault that some people are under the mistaken impression that disagreement is a bannable offense around FTB. You shouldn’t be attacked for their ignorance.

  3. Schlumbumbi says

    Problem is, noone knows who and why they did it… sure, the usual bunch of idiots point their fishy fingers at “MRAs, slymepitters” and blabla, but the truth is: They don’t know who did it.

    It’s actually unlikely that the scapegoat jews have anything to do with it, because -believe it or not- they cherish free speech more than any of the people who run these 3 sites in question. And even if some of these people were thinking about retaliating because of some perceived injustice towards them, they still wouldn’t risk causing collateral damage so generously (which is btw NOT limited to just this domain). However, if the allegation were true, by now it would be clear out of which general direction the attack came from, because that’s how the dynamics of spreading information on the net works. But: Nothing.

    If you’re getting ddossed in 2014, you should start scratching your head, because with the notable exception of retarded kiddies who think they can act on behalf on “anonymous”, private folks don’t use that kind of attack anymore.

    Therefor, I don’t think this article will be read by anyone it is directed at. If I had to take a guess, I’d browse these sites and see if they’ve been fronting any governmental or quasi-governmental structure, foreign or domestic, within the last 2 or 3 weeks.

  4. flex says

    As #1 above, I only found you because of your move to FTB. I can’t claim to read every post you write, but I try to catch most. Largely because your topics are worthwhile and usually in greater detail than the other FTB bloggers. I am not afraid of a wall of text, at least when it’s always as informative as yours have been. (And you’re a fan of Girl Genius too.)

    I’m glad you’re going to stick around.

  5. abear says

    The meme that pro-feminist sites have been targetted is likely paranoia. Apparently similar large scale attacks have been in the offing since January and some of the largest DDos attacks ever have occurred worldwide in the last week or so. I’m just going to take the default position and say Woody Allen did it.
    btw, How is Tigger? Is he getting back to normal after the robbery trauma?

  6. rq says

    I’m glad you’re sticking around. I enjoy your posts, and I generally agree with them. But then, I don’t always read posts to agree with them, necessarily – I read them to be informed. And your posts certainly do that. Glad to have you here!

  7. says

    … they cherish free speech more than any of the people who run these 3 sites in question.

    * A feminist blogger gets harassed to the point of giving up blogging, silencing her.
    –> Slymepit/MRA response? No criticism. In fact very happy the person was silenced, many comments hoping the rest are silenced soon as well.

    * Few people get banned from Pharyngula, not silencing them at all, apart from on someone’s private platform, an important part of free speech being freedom from speech in private spaces.
    –> Slymepit/MRA response? Years of loud whining.

    * @TheBlockBot is criticised for “censorship” despite no evidence it actually causes Twitter suspensions which would temporarily silence people. Twitter themselves even pass it as not causing suspensions. One on the pit/MRA side actually admits to getting someone he doesn’t like suspended, the only verified instance of this happening.
    –> Slymepit/MRA response? Silence, no criticism. Except to continue the erroneous assertion that the Block Bot causes suspensions :)

    Let me fix your statement for you …

    … they cherish freeze peach more than any of the people who run these 3 sites in question.

    The people running the three sites actually understand the basics of freedom of speech, unlike the baying MRAs and pitters for whom it is convenient to pretend they support it while actively trying to silence people they disagree with.

  8. Schlumbumbi says

    As predicted, new data is coming in:
    Cloudflare was targeted with an ntp-reflection attack with up to 350-400gbit/second …. main target was a CDN provider.

    At this point, the “antifeminist hypothesis” must be discarded.

  9. Schlumbumbi says

    O BTW: CF published on monday, then several providers (us/eu) came forward, confirming they’ve been targeted simultaneously, or during the last days. Hard to tell whether these folks (my $5 say hello to the chinamen) were running automated probes, or creating distractions during the days before the big attack, but maybe, MAYBE we’ll find out soon.

  10. says

    Actually we were hit on Saturday… A full 24 hours at least before the second attack.

    Do you grasp the notion that there can be two separate incidents? The first incident shows all the hallmarks of MRA since 3 sites went down simultaneously more than 24 hours before the European attack.

    And I believe the more technologically minded had answered your questions.

  11. Schlumbumbi says

    BTW2 @oolon (no intent to spam here)
    Who cares ? X posts stuff, Y says blah and Z does this and that. It’s so incredibly meaningless that I seriously wonder how anyone could possibly care. But you even get the basics wrong with the slymepitters.

    The problem is not banning. The problem is getting banned, while at the same time being called out to reply by the very person who just banned you, making it look like you are the one who has no interest in replying (because in reality, you just can’t).
    And if the banner wants to put a little cream on top, he’ll then make a post, declaring that your apparent failure to reply is because {you’re totally full of shit and you have no actual interest in making an argument and blablabla}.

    That specific behaviour has been confirmed for several FTB bloggers, including PZ, Benson, Zvan, Carrier, Gabriel. And insofar, the claim that there were no “hivemind”, “groupthink” or “shared moderation policy” among FTBers (at least among the “usual suspects”), stinks like the rotten lie it actually is…

    I don’t give a damn whether you call that practice censorship, public deception, whatever… it’s a nefarious practice to manipulate the discourse on this site and its audience. I’m not surprised that people get angry when they are deliberately misrepresented this way.

    And yes, it’s unfortunate that those who do not participate in such conduct (like Avicenna or Ashley Miller), and maybe even don’t know about it, get roughed up by the backlash – but that’s what happens when you lie down with dogs. Interestingly enough, Avicenna is among those who are held in somewhat higher regards by the pitters than the other scheissdrecks mentioned above.

  12. Schlumbumbi says

    @11 Avicenna / I’ll just suppose my 2nd post and your post collided.

    Yes, there HAVE BEEN several incidents during the last days – that’s exactly my point.
    Your claim MRA attack = “selective attention”, stemming from (A) exchanging information with these sites and knowing THAT they were attacked and (B) NOT knowing about ALL THE OTHER sites that have been attacked as well, but which actually were.

    Just as a sidenote:
    In opposite to what LousyCanuck said, getting the real IPs of FTB requires no special effort or knowledge at all, and cannot effectively be protected against, unless you put some paper on the table. Manually, it takes 3 seconds, automated, it takes about 0.x seconds, resolving to 68.168.XX.XXX, or 69.64.XX.XX @ codero, depending on what service I would want to attack).

    I’m just saying this:
    Private folks getting ddossed in 2014 – unlikely. 3 of them getting targeted individually by some hobos – even more unlikely. Much more likely = automated probe/distraction by people whose job description includes such things.

  13. wtfwhateverd00d says

    My mom always told me to wear clean underwear because I might be hit by a car.
    My dad always told me that if I laid down with dogs I’d wake up with crabs.

    While the DDOS was wrong, you truly have no evidence apart from what you and FTB alone claim is a 24 hour attack that you cannot show at this time was shared only by you and skepchick and freq.

    And you have laid down with dogs, kiddo. Your blog lives in a kennel.

    http://i.imgur.com/0FLw8lh.jpg

    No surprise you’re scratching your bites.

    Oh and poor you all upset that Sara Mayhew laughed at your site going down and drank your tears. Check your privilege.

  14. noxiousnan says

    Avicenna, I discovered your blog via FTB as well and now read most of your posts as time permits. You read the message loud and clear, and I’m glad you’re staying. At this point I would follow you where you went, but just in general I think it’s a good idea not to reward such amoral tactics.

    It’s true that we don’t know who did it, and if there’s any merit to the speculation of anti-feminist/MRA/pit involvement, but we do know that several of them condone it, calling it understandable, to be expected and so on. These are not the comments of people who value or even understand free speech.

  15. johngreg says

    Avi, I don’t believe you anymore. Are you really living in some third-world country trying to become a doctor, or are you just living in your Mom’s basement deeply embedded in some amazingly rich fantasy life? Seriously. You make no sense. All of your posts overflow with contradictions, inconsistencies, and gibberish. I cannot follow your trail anymore; you’ve left the path and seem to be wondering in a woods of your own invention.

    Of course, that may all be down to your incredibley messy and jumbled writing — but, as to that, how can someone become a doctor if they don’t even have basic writing skills sufficient enough to make simple sense? As it stands, judging by your blog writing, you couldn’t write your way out of a wet prescription note, let alone some more critically important medical exam.

  16. johngreg says

    noxiousnan said:

    … we do know that several of them condone it, calling it understandable, to be expected and so on.

    Actually “we” know no such thing. Saying that something might be expected or is understandable is not approval. It is just a part of speculation on cause.

    These are not the comments of people who value or even understand free speech.

    Quite right. Free speech is not about expressing one’s individual opinion, criticism, or dissonance; free speech is carrying the holy cross of group conformity in order to keep noxiousnan happy, carefree, and strong in the warm and comforting knowledge of group support free of all taint of disagreement.

  17. Sassafras says

    Funny how it’s heinous “guilt by association” when it’s against slymepitters and braveheroes, but it’s only common-sense “you lie down with dogs…” when it’s against FTB.

  18. Steersman says

    Oolon (#8):

    * Few people get banned from Pharyngula, not silencing them at all, apart from on someone’s private platform, an important part of free speech being freedom from speech in private spaces.
    –> Slymepit/MRA response? Years of loud whining.

    That’s a rather funny looking “private space” that’s open to view by the entire world you have there Oolon. But such distinctions seem to be too fine for many in the FftB/Skepchick sphere/ghetto to actually perceive: commenting and selecting which responses are going to see the light of day is self-serving at best, and more characteristic of yellow journalism and propaganda rags. Classy bunch y’all travel with.

    But I was impressed by this recent comment of yours over at Flutterbyes and Squeals (1):

    So learning some of what the pitters/MRAs/etc say is actually true was a shock.

    Maybe the the scales are starting to drop from your eyes? Maybe you could consider that, contrary to Jason’s questionable bias, there’s a whole lot of myth-making going on in FftB-land too? Maybe you could ask Ophelia whether she still stands by her egregious tweet that “connecting ‘virulent’ with ‘feminism’ is misogyny”?

    —-
    1) “_http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2014/02/humanitys-never-ending-search-for-a-synonym/comment-page-1/#comment-1460423”;

  19. wtfwhateverd00d says

    “Funny how it’s heinous “guilt by association” when it’s against slymepitters and braveheroes, but it’s only common-sense “you lie down with dogs…” when it’s against FTB.”

    It’s guilt by association when you attribute the behavior of one or three people to an entire population that may not even include the people you are hating on.

    It’s lie down with dogs when you place your blog on their servers in order to benefit from their ad network. And hubris to then complain when their asstastic behavior gets spanked by script kiddies.

  20. noxiousnan says

    Steersman @21

    Oolon (#8):

    * Few people get banned from Pharyngula, not silencing them at all, apart from on someone’s private platform, an important part of free speech being freedom from speech in private spaces.
    –> Slymepit/MRA response? Years of loud whining.

    That’s a rather funny looking “private space” that’s open to view by the entire world you have there Oolon. But such distinctions seem to be too fine for many in the FftB/Skepchick sphere/ghetto to actually perceive: commenting and selecting which responses are going to see the light of day is self-serving at best, and more characteristic of yellow journalism and propaganda rags. Classy bunch y’all travel with.

    I’d call this a perfect example of someone not understanding Free Speech.

  21. says

    Schlumbumbi, your repeated use of ableist slurs does not convince me that you speak from a position of good faith.

    Your slurring of “jew”, combined with your (rather ableist) handwaving claim that “private folks don’t use” DDoS attacks and reference to “fronting governmental or quasi-governmental structure”, suggests that you wish to push some sort of right-wing anti-government conspiracy theory regarding this attack.

    Given the general libertarian leanings of the Slymepit and its supporters, I suspect that you are on a mission of sorts. A public-relations mission, to be exact, attempting to deflect attention away from certain plausible perpetrators and onto a wild fabrication based on projecting your anti-government fears onto us and expecting us to somehow fall for it.

    tl;dr: I call bullshit on your bafflegab.

  22. says

    For what it’s worth, Avi, I’m also glad you are here. We disagree often enough, but that is what the marketplace of ideas is for. Don’t let the DDoS’ers grind you down.

  23. johngreg says

    OMG! OMG! A Setar sighting!

    I feel so privileged!

    And s/h/it’s just as looney as always too!

    We’re all blessed now.

  24. says

    So you come to my blog, insult me and expect me to be polite?

    John Greg? Fuck off. It is you who is doing the real damage to atheism as a group, not I. From the beginning I have been incredibly patient. You want to fling poop? Fling it on your own damn blog. I have demonstrated an incredible amount of patience with you.

    You squandered all that good will, and I know you will quote free speech or what have you but here is the thing, when given free speech you misused it.

    Go. Away.

  25. ianfc says

    Boxcutter Setar, is he not the the one who took knives to a poster pasting by John the Other, :Now we have to listen to knife wielding thugs, how fucking nice.,

  26. says

    @Steersman:

    That’s a rather funny looking “private space” that’s open to view by the entire world you have there Oolon.

    Did you try that line on the local publican when you got barred? Maybe tried to get a high court writ issued to protect your freeze peach! Jeezis and you are one of the more intelligent slymepitters Steers, damning the pitters with faint praise there :-D

    How hard is it to understand that someone’s privately owned space is theirs to do with as they want. You’d think with the proliferation of libertarians in the pit that you’d get this simple concept. Nothing in freedom of speech gives you a right to lay your turds on Avi’s or any other FTB’ers blog. I’ll also remind you, again, that when cornered the Slymepit crack master debate team *conceded* this point to Zvan in the atheistskepticdialogue.com … Something your “side” claimed the “FfTB’ers” did not want and could not possibly win at, despite your team running off rightly shamed when it was obvious how out gunned they were. Nice to see the constant calls for debate have gone from the pit arsenal of disingenuous lies at least.

  27. says

    As a side note this whine about freeze peach juxtaposed to Scumblumbi and others pointedly not condemning the DDoS and trying to justify it …. Is hilariously ironic!

    Slymepit shows it is full of hypocritical lightweights yet again :-)

  28. Schlumbumbi says

    #25 Setár, Elvenkitty
    You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
    (A) slymepit has made some public poll, result = no libertarian majorites, not even close.
    (B) Folks like “61398” are not some paranoid fantasy, but confirmed reality. Big scale attacks require resources, and big scale attacks require targets which justify the use of these resources. In general, some opinionist blogs do not qualify, unless they serve a subsidiary goal.

    #31 Oolon
    You’re surely a special kind of cretin. Where did I justify such an attack ? Oh of course, nowhere.

  29. abear says

    Poor, pathetic oolon. He is obsessed with the Slymepit and can’t resist posting some nasty little bits of slander any time a pitter posts somewhere or the site is mentioned.
    You wouldn’t think it, but he once was one of the most prolific posters at the Slymepit until he committed some rather shameful behavior and since hasn’t had the courage to return.
    Now he just behaves like a scorned suitor that continues to stalk his target of affection and slanders them to anyone that will listen.
    Please oolon, for your own sake, you need to get help!

  30. says

    @Schlumbi, so hard to see where you justified it! Avicenna etc… “… get roughed up by the backlash “, but it’s only a problem that they get roughed up by the “backlash”, not the others. Then there is the conspiracy theorising to try and create some narrative that the DDoS is all made up by the FTBullies to blame the poor hard put upon MRAs/pitters and assorted antifeminists who hate it. So yeah it takes an exceptional kind of person to fail in reading comprehension when it comes to their own comments!

  31. says

    @abear, hahaha, I was never a prolific poster there. Had fun playing with the paranoid pitters who helped make my point by doxing me, threatening me with violence, then claiming I posted child porn on there (When the admin of the pit actually knows the person who posted the, rather tame, image IRL, and said as much). They still do this, all over a little bit of piss taking from me. What master trolls they all are, the “cool kids” mask fell epically with a bit of z-grade trolling from me. Now who is obsessed with whom? None of that is slander, I have the quotes and proof on my blog. Maybe you can point out what is incorrect, I doubt it.

    Personally I’d be very happy if there really was this fantasy the pitters try and paint of a global moderation policy banning them all. If they didn’t stink up the place I like to hang out at I’d ignore them for eternity, same cannot be said of them as I assume I’m mentioned on there regardless of my year plus absence?

  32. Illuminata, Genie in the Beer Bottle says

    Well, you can’t really expect any better from them. I mean, we’re talking about people who have so little to do with their time that endlessly troll the websites of people they claim to hate, endlessly document every word their targets say, and endlessly whine and/or lie about being insulted back.

    If they would just go outside and get some friends and maybe some hobbies, they might not be so tediously boring, unimaginative and flaccid.

    It’s mistake to hold your breath, though. Hating on total strangers it literally all they have in their lives, if their behavior online is any indication.

    Pity them.

  33. abear says

    Illuminati@36 you’re talking about oolon right?
    oolon you liar, that wasn’t the shameful act I was talking about. You confessed to downloading kiddy porn. Is that filth still on your computer? If so and it’s as tame as you say it was/is post it on your blog, then invite the authorities and your SJW pals to judge for themselves what a pervert you are.

  34. Al Dente says

    The slymepitters are crying “it ain’t us, we’re in favor of freeze peach and we’d never do such a thing.” Schlumbumbi et al must think we’re as stupid as they are.

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  36. abear says

    February 14, 2014 at 4:49 AM (UTC 5.5)

    The slymepitters are crying “it ain’t us, we’re in favor of freeze peach and we’d never do such a thing.” Schlumbumbi et al must think we’re as stupid as they are.

    No. They have IMHO correctly discerned that you are much stupider.

  37. johngreg says

    Oh, oh Avi’s bored now. You can tell when Avi gets bored by some topic, because he opens up the floodgates and lets the spambots through.

  38. johngreg says

    Al Dente said:

    The slymepitters are crying “it ain’t us, we’re in favor of freeze peach and we’d never do such a thing.” Schlumbumbi et al must think we’re as stupid as they are.

    So, are you actually implying that someone from the Pit is responsible for this global DDOS thingy? Or that someone from the Pit has committed a crime? Or that Pit people would lower themselves to the behaviour of someone like Greg Laden just to shut someone up? Those are pretty serious charges, oh toothsome one.

  39. Schlumbumbi says

    #34 Oolon
    You obviously read my piece, but you chose to misrepresent it. I was clearly refering to the verbal kind of “escalationism”, which is so happily practiced in the comment sections of even those bloggers on FTB, who themselves have done nothing to create this poisoned climate in the first place.

    And nowhere did I ever claim that the attack was “made up”… but I am explicitely saying that’s it’s something different from what you think it is… I already said this before, in a reply to specifically YOU, but which you again chose to ignore in favor of your attempt to misrepresent me: “Therefor, I don’t think this article will be read by anyone it is directed at”.

    If my assumptions are right, then the people who are responsible for the attack, probably don’t even speak english, let alone care for anything that happens on the attacked websites.

    So yes, you are indeed a special kind of cretin.

  40. Holms says

    Not even the creationists quite manage to stoop to this level of hostility combined with dishonesty. Way to lower the bar, slymepitters.

  41. says

    Well, despite all the dreck in the comments, I did want to drop in to make a comment myself. I’m one of those that only heard of you, Avicenna, because of joining FTB. And I’m glad you did because you write some great stuff. Even if you also make so many of us look bad by doing so much more for making the world a better place… :-)
    Also, yay Dominions.

  42. says

    @abear, cool so on the record as saying the person who said they screencapped and reported the child porn (one of the members of your forum posted) to the police is in the wrong. The person who posted the image was welcomed back with open arms! Definitely a forum of high minded ethical atheists and skeptics who would never think of something as low as a DDoS’ing their opponents, how could anyone suggest such a thing …. Nothing wrong with posting it, just don’t you dare report it to the authorities.

    I wonder if it had really been child porn and not just a silly photoshopped meme if your fellow pitters would have reported it? They certainly seem to really believe it was CP, so I can only assume they are all willing to cover up a member of the forum being a paedophile in order to protect the Slymepit… So very Catholic of you all!

  43. Steersman says

    Oolon (#30):

    How hard is it to understand that someone’s privately owned space is theirs to do with as they want. You’d think with the proliferation of libertarians in the pit that you’d get this simple concept. Nothing in freedom of speech gives you a right to lay your turds on Avi’s or any other FTB’ers blog.

    Where have I made recourse to the freedom-of-speech principle? Where have I denied that the FftB-ghetto can do what they want with their blogs, invite and disinvite who they chose? Looks like a whole-lot-of-myth making that you and noxiousnan and no few others are engaging in.

    My point was that those who engage in particularly draconian moderation policies – most of the FTB sites with some notable exceptions including Ed Brayton’s, Ally Fogg’s, Ashley Miller’s and now Avicenna’s – are only making themselves look like yellow journals and propaganda rags. If that’s what they want then they can go big – shoot themselves in the feet. That type of policy has certainly turned places like AtheismPlus and Butterflies and Wheels into wastelands.

  44. Argle Bargle says

    So, are you actually implying that someone from the Pit is responsible for this global DDOS thingy? Or that someone from the Pit has committed a crime? Or that Pit people would lower themselves to the behaviour of someone like Greg Laden just to shut someone up? Those are pretty serious charges, oh toothsome one.

    If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it probably isn’t a squirrel. I agree with Al Dente. The DDOS has the definite stink of the slymepit. Can it be proved to be a slymepitter who did it? Probably not. But if I were a bettor than that’s the way I’d bet.

  45. Schlumbumbi says

    @49 Argle Bargle

    If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck

    If you REALLY think this (and not just pretend to for the sake of FTB tribal tropes), you’ve got a problem.

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