I am tempted to call this article “You won’t believe what the Roman Catholic Church has done now!”
Basically? The UN’s produced a report. A report whose TL:DR version boils down to “Why don’t you lot at the Roman Catholic Church have a look in the mirror and have a sodding word with yourself”. It boiled down to the general problems with the RCC. Child Molestation, Homosexuality, Contraception and Abortion.
And the Vatican are crying foul about the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child and of course, Fox News has waded in as the voice of reason.
[warning]TW – Usual Roman Catholic Church issues of Child Molestation, Abortion, Contraception, Homophobia[/warning]
The Vatican blasted back at a UN report that accused it of allowing children to be abused by priests and condemned its stances on homosexuality, contraception and abortion, saying the findings were “ideological” and likely driven by critics of the church’s “non-negotiable” teachings.
Perhaps you should rephrase this sentence. I understand homosexuality, contraception and abortion are subjects we debate between modern viewpoints and 2000 year old Jewish Law but surely even Fox News understand that this argument makes it look like the Roman Catholic Church thinks child molestation is a non-negotiable teaching.
The U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child, whose members have included such nations as Saudi Arabia, Syria, Uganda and Thailand,accused the Vatican Wednesday of “systematically” adopting policies that allowed priests to rape and molest tens of thousands of children over decades, and urged it to open its files on pedophiles and bishops who concealed their crimes.
The UNCRC does not have member nations. The UNCRC is a board made up of 18 experts on children and human rights. They do not represent “countries” but are often individuals within countries campaigning for better rights for children and better treatment of children. Blaming the individuals for national atrocities is like blaming a hypothetical backpacker named Kevin for all of America’s transgressions. It’s idiotic.
The Catholic church has systematically protected, hushed up, gaslighted and generally ensured priests who molested children were not only hidden away from the law, but also given flocks who they “could” molest with little to no repercussion.
Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, the head of the Holy See’s delegation to the United Nations in Geneva, told Vatican Radio that non-governmental organizations which favor gay marriage probably influenced the committee to reinforce an “ideological line” in the report. He did not note the irony of nations like Syria, which has used poison gas on children, Uganda, where kids have been forced to fight, kill and die in wars and Thailand, which has long been accused of tolerating a child sex trade, participating in the report.
Why are we even talking to random priests about this. It’s like asking me about my opinions on economic theory and making solid decisions about it. It’s stupid that I answer the damn question and it’s even more stupid if you take my advice. I am clearly incompetent at providing economic advice. Perhaps you should find someone who is an expert. Like “Not a damn priest”.
Silvano Tomasi himself doesn’t understand that the body that criticised his religious organisation is made up of 18 individuals and not countries. It had Syrians, Thai and Ugandans on it at some point.
If you don’t believe me, this is the Saudi Arabian on the panel. There are no Syrians, Thais and Ugandans currently on the panel. There have been though.
This is one of the Thai people who were part of the CRC. Sanphasit Koompraphant unlike Tomasi is not covering for the abuse of children within his own country. For those who are unaware, this man has been integral to Thailand’s efforts to fight the child prostitution trade within Thailand.
Syria? Hadeel Al-Asmar represented them. She’s not “hammering down on child prostitution in Thailand” but she’s no slouch.
Uganda? That would be Awich Polar, who not only represented a country where a chilling (and highly religious… remember the Lord’s Resistance Army?) civil war took place with child soldiers, but also took part in that same war. Awich Polar is a rehabilitated child soldier. And is one of the strongest campaigners world wide for the rehabilitation of child soldiers.
By contrast Silvano Tomasi and Fox have not only shown a complete lack of understanding of the people who work in the CRC but what they have done. Something that you could find out via google.
I know, Fox News didn’t do research and tried to defend an organisation that protected child rapists. Really not suprised.
The UN report also severely criticized the Holy See for its attitudes toward homosexuality, contraception and abortion and said it should change its own canon law to ensure children’s rights and their access to health care are guaranteed.
I know! Terrible thing to demand!
The church’s critics believe the report will put renewed pressure on Pope Francis to move decisively on the abuse front and make good on pledges to create a Vatican commission to study sex abuse and recommend best practices to fight it. The commission was announced at the spur of the moment in December, but few details have been released since then.
About fucking time. One word of advice to the Church.
THE MORE YOU DRAG YOUR FEET AND PROTECT PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS THE MORE WE GET PISSED OFF. WE ARE NOT GOING TO FORGET THE CHILDREN AND THE ADULTS WHOSE LIVES WERE RUINED BY YOUR RELIGIOUS HYPOCRISY. THE JUSTICE OF MANKIND OVER RULES THE JUSTICE OF HEAVEN, THESE PRIESTS MAY FEEL SORRY FOR THEIR ACTIONS BUT THEY MUST SERVE THE TIME FOR THEIR CRIME. THE LONGER YOU LEAVE IT THE MORE YOU LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES WHO SPROUT INANE BULLSHIT BASED ON 2000 YEAR OLD BOOKS ABOUT THE SIN OF ABORTION BUT GIVE NO FUCKS ABOUT CHILDREN WHO WERE RAPED BY YOUR PRIESTS.
The fact that this has dragged on to this date is abominable, the fact that you are still covering up for these child molesters makes you culpable for the pain and suffering and damage caused and no amount of money can solve this. None of that will fix this.
There were priests whose response to “Child Molestation” was to blame the “sexy children”. Do you even realise how fucking stupid this argument is? About fucking time. Now I don’t hold any hope for this new study because frankly the Church’s previous studies all involved hiding the abuse.
The committee also urged the Vatican to amend its canon law to identify circumstances where access to abortion can be permitted for children, such as to save the life of a young mother. It urged the Holy See to ensure that sex education, including access to information about contraception and preventing HIV, is mandatory in Catholic schools. It called for the Holy See to use its moral authority to condemn discrimination against homosexual children or children raised by same-sex couples.
Oh the evils. We want you to teach young women that they have access to basic medical care and that 2000 year old Jews knew preciously little about medicine so don’t worry about it and just be safe. Or that among all the real problems in the world Jesus is more worried about putting a condom on than all the children that were molested.
The Vatican said it would study the report and in a statement reiterated its commitment to defending and protecting children’s rights that are enshrined in the treaty. But it took issue with the committee’s recommendations to change core church teaching on life.
Because the organisation that was covering up the actions of paedophiles and is mainly made up of people sworn to not have sex are such experts on the protection of children and access to sexual health services.
“The Holy See does, however, regret to see in some points of the concluding observations an attempt to interfere with Catholic Church teaching on the dignity of human person and in the exercise of religious freedom,” the Vatican said.
Which the Church never bothered about when it’s the dignity of people starving because they cannot afford to feed so many people or that of an expecting mother who is dying or the access to simple contraception that helps fight HIV. Unless it’s dignified to die slowly of infection after infection, I seem to have missed that particular part of ethics.
Austen Ivereigh, coordinator of Catholic Voices, a church advocacy group, said the report was a “shocking display of ignorance and high-handedness.”
Yes because the Catholic Church isn’t known for child abuse, disenfranchising women from access to contraception and abortion and isn’t encouraging laws that discriminate against the GLBT. Catholic Voices can go fuck itself because I know there are people who believe in the Catholic Doctrines who don’t agree with any of these things.
He said it failed to acknowledge the progress that has been made in recent years and that the Catholic Church in many places is now considered a leader in safeguarding children. And he noted that the committee seemed unable to grasp the distinction between the responsibilities and jurisdiction of the Holy See, and local churches on the ground.
Progress made grudgingly and forced out of the Church at Secular Point. We have spend decades and lost millions of lives fighting for a simple condom method of stopping the spread of HIV and we still have to fight because the Catholic Church’s stance STILL IS NOT PRO-CONDOM. We are losing people. There are people who are dead today who may have lived had the church not been so incalcitrant. This is without the various famines and poverty and women’s health conditions caused by a lack of contraception.
“It takes no account of the particularities of the Holy See, treating it as if it were the HQ of a multinational corporation,” he said in an e-mail
Instead we should treat it as a body of virgins who hang around in robes pretending to be relevant to the real world because they speak to an imaginary friend. Clearly this is sensible.
The Church must Change, or we will keep criticising it and hammering at its foundation. More people will die in that time but it’s better than how many would die if the Church were left uncriticised and unopposed.
And if we are trying to pretend that the Church is not moral, it’s just broken it’s own rules.
Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness.