Where do babies come from? For most sane and rational people, the answer is that a man engages in reproductive sex acts with a woman. The California Grand SovietLegislature, however, doesn’t seem to understand that:
The word you are looking for is Politburo Comrade. It you are going to accuse the rather centralist right wing government of the USA as being akin to the Soviet Union then at least make sure you use the appropriate terminology.
“A bill signed into law by California governor Jerry Brown on Tuesday ensures that insurance coverage for fertility treatments granted to heterosexual couples will now be extended to unmarried and homosexual couples.
“The law was authored by Tom Ammiano (D., San Francisco) who thinks that denying fertility coverage to unmarried and gay couples violates California’s non-discrimination laws. ‘Reproductive medicine is for everybody’s benefit,’ Ammiano said in a statement. ‘To restrict fertility coverage solely to heterosexual married couples violates California’s non-discrimination laws. I wrote this bill to correct that.’ Insurance coverage for fertility treatment usually kicked in only after couples attempted natural conception for a year.”
Assemblyman and blithering idiot Tom Ammiano explicitly says that:
“Infertility – the state of being unable to produce offspring – is defined in state law. Under current law, insurers are required to offer coverage for infertility and, when purchased, that coverage is subject to non-discrimination in insurance laws.”
TLDR – GLBT people and the Unmarried should have access to fertility treatments.
No. That is not how making babies work. Two people of the same sex can not conceive a child. This is not infertility. This is biological reality; this is NORMAL. It has to do with the most fundamental differences between the sexes. A lesbian couple or a gay couple will never be able to have a child between them because they are biologically incapable due to the fact that they are both of the same sex.
How do you know? Have you been reading biology textbooks instead of your “Shield of Christ” abstinence guides?
No. It means that artificial insemination that is part of infertility treatments is available. You do realise that there are sperm donors? Some men sell their sperm to sperm banks where people can use the sperm for artificial insemination. Some GLBT couples ask a friend or hire a surrogate to carry their babies. Some may use a third party donor egg or even an egg from the friend (obviously female) and rather than have sex they may opt for artifical insemination which isn’t as fun but is a lot more scientific.
Neither will any man who’s testicles were blown off in Iraq or Afghanistan but I don’t see you forcing his wife or girlfriend to leave him. And I will point this out to you.
My girlfriend has PCOS and is effectively sterile. Does that mean our love is for naught? That we cannot adopt (And I do intend to adopt) a child and give a child a chance? Just because a child is not perfectly genetically yours doesn’t mean that they aren’t family or that they cannot be loved or love back.
But here is the thing, science CAN give us a baby if we so choose. It’s just as unnatural and weird and ungodly as any baby created for a lesbian or a gay couple. In fact more so. After all, the problem with lesbians and gay men is the problem of logistics. Sperm A functions, Egg B functions it’s just that the pipeline cannot be laid and so you require airlift.
In this case Sperm A functions, Egg B functions and Uterus B does not due to a disorder that causes hormonal imbalances that prevent implantation. That’s biological. That is also 100% biological reality.
And yet if we chose to have such a miraculous child, then surely it’s just as blasphemous. Or is the only person who can have one mother and no actual father Jesus?
Previously, insurance coverage would not “kick in until couples have tried to conceive naturally for 12 months. That’s not possible for same-sex couples.” Well DUH!!!
This is a difference between same-sex and opposite-sex couples. When it comes to making babies, gay couples are fundamentally unequal to straight couples.
As are me and Hera.
So if a GLBT couple put in for artificial insemination and got a donor then waited 12 months for a slot how would you know they were trying? Are you suggesting we straight people submit evidence of shagging in order to get coverage? Is it photos or videos you will be wanting?
Look honestly? The problem is you don’t understand this. GLBT only really conceive through artificial insemination and/or surrogacy. (Okay not the Bi people but let’s keep to the argument). So they have a use for the procedure which you seek to deny them because they cannot naturally have conceptional sex which is the same in couples with sterility issues. Just going to treat these lesbians are women who have husbands who sperm issues and these gay men as men who have a wife with uterine/ovarian issues and treat them as such.
Honestly? The reason we say “try for a year” is because many couples think that every act of coitus results in pregnancy which is not the case. 50% of all pregnancy ends in spontaneous abortion. So try for a year and if that doesn’t work then maybe it’s time to run tests.
However if for example you know you have a pre-existing condition then they would not wait the year. What’s the point of waiting a year when you know the man’s had testicular cancer resulting in loss of testes. He can still have sex but he is firing the blankiest blanks of all time. Why on earth would you wait a year. That seems stupid.
Same for the GLBT really.
This isn’t “H8″ or animosity. This is basic biological reality.
No it’s stupidity. H8’s idiot cousin.
The fact that two people of the same sex can’t have a baby does not prove that either is infertile. The same-sex couple choose not to engage in reproductive acts. The ability of either one to not be able to produce offspring is not a disability or a medical problem to be addressed. It is normal and natural that two people who don’t engage in reproductive acts won’t actually reproduce.
Medicine is not just dealing about organic problems but social ones too. The biggest contribution to mortality in India is poverty. It’s a medical issue and thinking of ways to stop poverty saves lives just as effectively as me going out there and tossing VIt A around.
This would be no different than if a man and a women were deemed “infertile” for trying to have a baby while only engaging in sodomy and oral sex!
I actually know of a couple that had that problem but their real problem was a total lack of education. After a brief safety lecture and telling them that there is nothing wrong with it, my friend sent them on their merry way. 10 months later they delivered a beautiful baby and named it after my friend because they were so grateful. And to our knowledge they never stopped having sex the “incorrect” way. Nothing wrong with sodomy if everyone involved thinks it is fun. There is a reason why people do it.
Medical suggestion though? First remove the stick.
The biggest cause of infertility is psychological. Men and women who cannot bring themselves to have sex with an individual. To force a lesbian or a gay man to have sex against their biological urges is frankly rape. They don’t want to have sex but they do want to have a baby. Now we have technology that lets us do just that. I would suggest the GLBT adopt since there are hundreds of thousands of young children without loving families but some people want their kids to be genetically related and frankly that’s their choice. I don’t think love only affects children because of their genetic similarity and I know plenty of children who received nothing but love despite being adopted. I also know many hateful and terrible parents who abandoned their children or who chained them up and beat them or raped their kids despite their kids being related to them.
We are so worried about what genitals a person has that we forget that the genital part of being a parent lasts maybe 15 to 20 minutes (1 hour if you are lucky…) but the rest of it lasts nearly a lifetime. If we judge the validity of people as parents by the 20 minutes rather than the lifetime then we are fools.
It is the Progressive Left that are DENIERS when it comes to basic science. It is the Progressive Left that are ANTI-SCIENCE. It is the Progressive Left that deniesREALITY ITSELF.
One finds that the Right wing’s excessive love affair with Gay Bashing born out of a Jesus fetish really is a lot more anti-science than suggesting the GLBT get scientific medical help in conception on their insurance policies.
Not every GLBT couple wants kids so it’s not even an economic concern.
It begs the question: If the rabid Left so believe in “equality” that they are ready to pass a law that blatantly invalidates reality itself, what other delusions are they foisting upon us all?
California is now imitating a Monty Python skit:
I don’t think you quite get the point of Monty Python. A incredibly secular comedy group that routinely took the piss out of conservative Britain through surrealist comedy. They would be on the side opposing you.
In my office there is a machine, a machine that invalidates reality. It’s my little heartbreaker.
It stops hearts. You see when there is a fibrillation the heart contracts randomly and uncoordinatedly so blood does not flow properly. If we stop the heart dead and hope that the pacemaker cells are still functional they will return the heart’s rhythm to normal.
This invalidates reality. The reality that young men and women should die of heart disease. That men and women who would have died from the reality of a spasming heart should now live. It’s my zombie machine, born out of the laboratory of Frankenstein and animating the very recently dead back to the living using tame lightning.
It’s just a defibrillator but frankly if you spin it right anything we do sounds unnatural.
We are the most unnatural creature in all of the earth. The most impossible to believe. In a world of experience only we can come up with boredom. We fly through the air in aeroplanes and speak to each other over the internet and Polticalhat thinks something as measly as artificial insemination is unnatural and unreal.