Again with the Thunderfoot? Well this is mainly out of pique. It’s no secret that I found his latest two videos naught but stupid. If Thunderfoot thinks we are telling women to not take precautions to avoid casual rape then he simply is constructing a straw man. We however aren’t blaming them for what happens if they take some precautions and still get raped because we know that some of the “precautions” are impossible to follow.
No, what we want is to point out that women have to take precautions that we don’t and that’s unfair and sucky and ineffective. Pointing that out got me this from “Adam Who”
I just made you waste 20 minutes of your time. Just look at all non-skeptical, presumptuous nonsense you just posted which nobody will read.
Funny thing is? Adam Who is right. People rarely listen to us and quite honestly the current environment in atheism seems designed to argue over moronic things resulting in a dedicated group of individuals who would damage and harm any attempt to do anything if by some chance you are associated with Freethought Blogs.
The funny thing is? Among all the anti-vax, among all the quacks, among all the pro-lifers, religious fundies and even the goddamn animal lib. Not one group has tried to shut me up or dedicated to ignoring what I say as thoroughly and in a method as coordinated as atheists and skeptics. So called skeptics that is. So what triggered him?
Question? Thunderfoot picked up a video from India about a horrific rape and the aftermath of excuses given by people in power to blame women for their rapes. None of the statements those were made up or jokes. People seriously stood up and said “Call your Rapist brother and he won’t be able to rape you since brothers must protect sisters!“.
Thunderfoot’s statement was rather damaging. I say this as someone who works in India and someone who is actively trying to encourage a better treatment of women. His response was women should take precautions.
Well? What precautions should Nirbhaya have taken? Short of an armed squad of amazon bodyguards? Don’t go into bad areas? Okay, we may say that but what about women who live there? Sucks to be them? Don’t dress sluttily? Well we know it doesn’t matter what women wear since women in Burkhas are still more likely to be raped than women without. Don’t go out late? What time’s late? Thunderfoot basically gave a bunch of excuses about defending yourself from rapists by saying “endeavour to not be around rapists”. Basically? It’s a hindsight argument.
It was looking at women who got raped and pointing out a decision that got them into the situation of getting raped. Don’t go out and drink. Don’t go out by yourself (always take a male chaperone with you! Wonder what religious nation has that rule!) and so on.
He was dicking over women in a country widely regarded to be some of the worst treated women in the world by giving them some idiotic spiel about mountain lions. Do you even realise how moronic thunderfoot sounded to someone in India?
Put it this way. A big fear for many of you in the west is Heart Disease. Do you think it’s helpful showing up to a ward where heart bypass surgeries are recuperating and tell them it’s their fault because they ate too much pie? No. That isn’t helping anyone and it’s just insulting.
Same thing here. I know you don’t really like FTB but frankly? Thunderfoot is incredibly in the wrong on this one.
And he is an influencial atheist. For fuck’s sake? I had people telling me there was no “rape culture” in the west because there were no armed gang style rapes going down like in India. Well? India sucks! But India’s trying to be better. America sucks in a lesser way but you shouldn’t say “Well we are better than India so not going to do anything about this problem”.
I pointed out that just last year there was a rape in Steubenville where there was a sustained cover up to protect two underage rapists because football was more important. The ensuing backlash had a variety of people weigh on the side of the rapists including MRAs who claimed “she got what was coming to her because she was a damn helmet bunny” and justified all the death threats and hate mail she got for asking for simple justice. Adults. Grown men and women thought throwing a stupid ball around was more important than the life of a young woman.
That is a problem. This is a problem that does exist. Thunderfoot is just another part of the problem. The fact he is atheist and has a strong support is disturbing to say the least particularly considering when I commented on the issue it was a strong support of non-Indian atheists “insisting” that I was just excessively sensitive to all the rapes happening in India and that there was “no problem”.
Painful to realise that just because we are atheists doesn’t mean we are always right on everything.
I ask readers. What’s wrong with saying this? What exactly is harmful?