Judgy Bitch responded to my post on her “slut shaming victims” of the current paedophilia scandal in the UK and I figured it needed a response within a post.
Very interesting and thought provoking response. Thank you.
I would like to clarify a few things, if I may.
First of all, I used the pictures of the underage girls who look wildly different from their actual ages to illustrate the rationale behind the mistaken age defense that has been enacted by some states in the US.
However the article in question is in regards to the current scandal where a variety of British celebrities turned out to be paedophiles having abused children often using their ties as presenters of children’s TV to acquire victims. Now you may not consider some of these children as victims but they are.
I don’t believe I ever claimed that any of the British celebrities were confused by the ages of the young women, not because I don’t think that’s possible, but rather because I simply haven’t studied the cases in any kind of detail.
Yet you chose to link a variety of British articles from the Daily Mail to your article. Either you didn’t read the articles you were quoting or you chose to use them knowing the context.
Whatever the reasons for you to support the actions of child molesters the fact remains the individuals whose examples you used were trusted people by an entire nation who abused the trust they had.
You state that when a 14 year old expresses a desire for consensual sex with a powerful man, the answer to that is always no.
Why is it no?
Because 14 year old kids are “fucking stupid” and shouldn’t be allowed control over such decisions because they are 14 and stupid. Now you may think you were pretty smart as a 14 year old but chances are you were stupider than you are now. 14 year old kids don’t have the development to grasp the issues with regards to sex. For the love of god, 14 year old kids treat babies like dolls. Why? Because they are still kids.
I understood surgery aged 15, doesn’t mean I should be given a scalpel.
It’s no for the same reason a 13 year old or a 12 year old or a 11 or a 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 year old cannot give permission for sex. Because they lack the mental capacity.
Because it’s illegal? Well, lowering the age of consent laws with the two provisions for age gap and mistaken age would address that.
I mean we can solve drink driving by legalising it but that just lets people get away with drinking and driving.
Because it’s immoral? How so? Do you not believe 14 year olds are capable of agency? Or desire?
Because the desires of a 14 year old are not tempered with common sense. If 18 year olds regularly fuck up hard due to a lack of life experience then a 14 year old is more prone to fucking up. A 14 year old may desire ice cream for lunch however it is a bad parent that gives in to that desire.
And we don’t punish 14 year olds. We punish the adults who take advantage of them. Because 14 year olds are idiots.
Because it’s exploitive? Unnatural? Why is the answer always no?
Yes. Because 14 year olds are not fully matured as human beings and cannot make decisions with a full understanding of why that decision is good or bad. Hence it is exploitative. If we let 14 year olds buy cars we would see them exploited. They are also appalling decision makers if not for parents.
So the answer is NO.
I was struck particularly by your observation that my arguments could be used to reframe men as natural pedophiles, the definition of which depends on the age of consent, no? Or do you have another definition you are using? That is very troubling, indeed.
Yet it is a correct observation where you assume men in power which is the whole “Alpha Male” bullshit flogged by people… that these men cannot say no to any sex offered to them.
Except they can and do. There are countless celebrities with hundreds of thousands of young fans who don’t fuck them. Even if 14 year olds throw themselves at you the correct thing to do as a responsible adult, decent human being and sensible person is to not say “Well! She started it!”
I am focusing more on the assertion that young woman DO have agency, particularly over their own desires, and that they CAN be held accountable for their actions. Obviously, there is tremendous variation in levels of maturity between individuals, but can you not agree that some very young women are rather mature and perfectly capable of handling sexual desire?
Young girls. No they are not. Statistically speaking most young girls are not mature. The very existence of Beiber Fever and Twilight scuttles your argument.
I’ll point you to Nikki McWatters for an example of that. And she is just one.
Indeed. However if Nikki McWatters was raped I have no doubts that you would be dancing with glee about her slutty ways and how she was trying to “fuck upwards” or acquire some alpha male dick or something equally vile.
I did not grow up in Great Britain, so I am not particularly familiar with the men involved in the scandal, and I have no wish to defend men who sexually exploited children. My question is whether a 15 year old trading favors with a much older celebrity is really a child. Where I live, 15 year olds can drive motor vehicles with another licensed driver in the car. That’s a pretty big responsibility. If they are capable of that, why are they not capable of choosing what sexual activities they will participate in, and under what circumstances?
They still cannot.
Teenage Drivers are one of the most likely groups to be involved in car accidents. They can drive, but they aren’t good at it. I don’t think 15 year olds should drive. I don’t consider most 15 year olds to be “smart” enough to drive and indeed make sensible decisions behind the wheel.
I mean this is like saying “Well if Children Can Drive, then why can’t they go to war”. The two things are completely different. Now in the USA due to a chronic unwillingness to invest in public transport, people require cars to do pretty much anything. So a car is vital to mobility and independence. Sex for favours is highly exploitative of a child who doesn’t understand the repercussions of their actions and/or considers the repercussions harmless because they have a very naive (some may say child like) view of the world.
Now kids will experiment sexually a lot and indeed many kids will exploit each other but the level of exploitation is a lot lot less than some old paedophile with a crate of beer.
Your argument is an excuse for paedophiles.