Someone posted a video on the comments section on a previous post on racism.
And Pitchguest responded with this.
Brilliant. A woman gets help stealing a bike and somehow this is a form of sexism. Somehow it’s an example of patriarchy. You’re rationalising it to fit with your world view. Amazing. But just to add a bit of balance, it’s not exactly sexist, is it? Unless she explicitly tells them not to help and they do it anyway, because–as you say–she could “chip a nail or summat.” That didn’t actually happen, though.
She is helped because of the following “ideas” in society
1. Women can’t be thieves
2. Pretty women? Even less so
3. Women are weak and cannot work with tools
4. Women need help to do mechanical work
They don’t think she is being serious that she is stealing the bike. They think she is joking. They aren’t going “Oh she is stealing, let’s help her”, they are going “Hah! Stealing! Classic Pretty White Lady humour! Give that bolt cutter her darling before you hurt yourself love. Can you just imagine if pretty people stole things? HO HO HO”
It’s sexist vs. men and vs. women because of the reasons why these tropes exist. It’s the same issue as “racial profiling”. Because she fits a non-typical profile, she is given the benefit of the doubt.
It’s not because women are allowed to commit crimes. It’s not because men cannot help themselves in helping her. It’s because people don’t think she is SERIOUS. She literally is saying “I am stealing this bike” and they are responding “Ho Ho Ho! Women stealing bikes? What next? Women doing mathematics!”.
Also, would it have helped the experiment if they had gotten a conventionally unattractive woman to aid them? Because once again you repeat this notion of a class system of patriarchy, that treats women based on their appearance and not on their gender as a whole, which is surprising to me because it’s not generally mentioned (if at all) in feminist circles that deals with the patriarchy narrative. (On FtB, A+ and especially on Skepchick.) Would it have strengthened the experiment if an unattractive woman had been chosen? Or better yet, an equally attractive “typical western model” black woman?
Are you seriously complaining about a TV “experiment”?
It wouldn’t matter if you expanded the experiment, the fact remains that in western society we STILL treat women worse than we treat men. It may not be “The Rape Culture of India” but it’s not good either. The entire thread was about how society was “racist” despite there being very few racists in it due to misconceptions and tropes and “thoughtless activity”.
Society is mainly sexist to women. More so than men. At some points the sexism affects men but it’s mainly due to traditional gender roles and assumptions about women. So in this case men are discriminated against not because “Men are thieves” but because “Women Cannot Be Thieves”. In the same way that many people still think “Men cannot care for children”.
People still tell me how to hold their babies despite me being the first person who HOLDS babies and who shows new mothers how to hold them. I am in fact the ultimate babysitter and yet I would never be regarded as a good choice for child care. It’s not because “men are fucking idiots who may sit on the baby if they lose concentration” it’s because “women care for children”.
Finally, and most importantly, they helped her to steal a fucking bike. Why did the others not get that? Why did the privileged white male not get that? I mean, I couldn’t help but notice the men offering to help her with the lock didn’t ask for anything in return, either during it or after. They just went on their merry way. It’s a running gag, but: some patriarchy.
Because they thought she was joking about stealing the bike because “Pretty White Ladies Do Not Steal Things”, they helped her out because they thought she was being sarcastic. They helped her out because “women cannot use tools”.
For the same reason men stop to help women who are changing car tyres. Because women “cannot” change car tyres. Or that they “should not” change them, not when there are big strapping men to do it.
At no point would anyone watching a woman struggle with car tyres think she is stealing them.
Honestly, Avicenna, how are we to understand patriarchy if it keeps getting redefined every five minutes?
It’s not redefined. It’s just that you cannot see why an action is done beyond the basic. Sexism cuts both ways. Women are weak and harmless = Women cannot be thieves, men can only be thieves. Women cannot use tools = Men have to. Women are weak and need physical help from men = Men who are not physically capable are inferior. Women should take care of children = Men cannot take care of children.
I still amaze Indians by the fact that as a man I cook. It is astonishing to them not because “cooking is hard” but because to most Indian men, cooking is mysterious because they never need to cook. If they lose their wives they usually end up starving or eating junk food. The system that forces women into the kitchen also forces men to not learn to cook.
The system is more biased against women but it’s effects harm men too.