This one’s from someone called Herman Cummings (or someone writing on his behalf)
Our public schools have been teaching Atheism, and the Atheists want to keep it that way, using the pretext of “separation of church and state”. What about separating Atheism and the state? How many students first come to class with a belief in a Deity, then after science class indoctrination, come away with changed beliefs? Ever heard of the “Lemon Test”? Why isn’t it being applied?
I assume you are American…
Our public schools are NOT teaching atheism. They are teaching science. The statements they make are demonstrable by a variety of experiments and observations and their claims hold up to rigorous scientific testing.
The Lemon Test applies to religion. Science isn’t religion. Religion is based on faith which is not tested empirically where as science tests everything. Your actual complaint is not about science, but about questions.
The problem is if you teach children a literal Bible then the world simply doesn’t agree with it. If your religious text claims the Sun revolves around the Earth you are going to lose in a fight to the people who prove things empirically. The Bible does not produce any technological advances, you can read it cover to cover and the only thing you are going to be able to do is quote the Bible. Science has cured more lepers than Jesus and doesn’t claim it is a miracle. Everything science produces works on testable and understandable concepts. It’s just that you REFUSE to accept one part of science (Biology). It’s the science that I use to kill major diseases. Remind me again how many people prayer claims to have cured. Then remind me again what happens when people don’t see a doctor but pray instead.
In biology class, students are currently taught Atheism, which is a religion of denial of a Creator. Why is it that educators have no problem with brainwashing students with such an ideology, which is highly incredulous, but find excuses to avoid teaching that which is more probable? Since when is teaching only one explanation of events desirable, when common sense dictates that another explanation is closer to the truth? Since when is a testimony full of “conditions just right”, and “random luck”, a basis for a restricted curriculum?
No, the students are taught that they evolved to be humans and were not created as is. We also didn’t descend from Adam and Eve and Noah and are a lot older as a species than the Bible claims we are.
There is no evidence for any god lest of all your own (I am assuming Jehovah). If so? Demonstrate empirical proof and I will be the first person to admit that I was wrong. There is ABSOLUTELY no demonstrable proof of any gods. Keep your gods in your Churches and we will keep our science out of them.
1. It is not more probable to have a god. To invoke god you would have to make a series of assumptions that are not only individually unprovable and indeed massive assumptions but each assumption would have to be based a previously faulty assumption. A god exists solely due to such towers assumptions. Science lies on two assumptions. Everything is natural and our sense provide a relatively good idea of what’s going on around us. There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence for the existence of ANY god let alone the Abrahamic one.
2. There is a subtle Irony that you want us to teach the controversy but refuse to teach Hinduism on a fair and equal balance in your Church. Until you can demonstrate any sizeable empirical evidence for the existence of your god beyond “Bible Says So” we are afraid that your faith should go sit in the corner with Islam and Hinduism. At least they have the decency (in our western world at least) to not try and fob off their blatant stupidity on the rest of the people.
3. You demonstrate a terrifyingly bad grasp of evolution. You my friend are the reason we don’t teach “Jesus” in Biology. Everything you just said about Evolution is WRONG.
The same class that teaches that “there is no Creator” must also teach the opposing view, else the school system is taking sides, causing an imbalance in education. Are the public schools suppose to be recruiting grounds for Atheist converts? That is what our schools have been doing, and the Atheists want to keep it that way, using the pretext of “separation of church and state”. What about separating Atheism and the state? How many students first come to class with a belief in a Deity, then after science class indoctrination, come away with changed beliefs? Ever heard of the “Lemon Test”? Why isn’t it being applied?
I am sure that we will gladly teach the opposing view if you can provide empirical evidence that the god that exists is Jehovah and not that Phoney Baloney Brahma Fellow.
Or even prove that a god exists.
I don’t think you want a separation of Church and State, I think you want a separation of SCIENCE and State.
The Lemon Test doesn’t apply to science because science is proven empirically to exist while religion exists purely in the hearts and minds of those who believe in it. People come away from Science with changed beliefs because Science challenges you to QUESTION things. And if you question “god” sufficiently you start realising that he is a form of superstition.
The truth of history has nothing to do with religion. The book of Genesis explains the 4.6 billion year history of our Earth, and why the fossil and geologic records are found as they are. The worlds of Creationism and Theology have no idea what Genesis chapter one is conveying to mankind. Their foolish and false representations are mainly the reason mankind has not known the truth of our origins. The remaining reason is that too many people have been too stubborn to examine the truth, before jumping to their biased conclusions.
Yes… What is it? Jehovah fooled us all? Sin? Satan’s running around changing all the fossils?
The truth is that humanity is a lot more remarkable than your silly beliefs and you demand we stop being awesome so that your god looks better in comparison to us.
You would probably demand I stop handing out Dapsone to leprosy cases because I make Jesus look impotent.
Of the ones that have seen the Observations of Moses, the “young earth” believers provide the most resistance, because they have been brainwashed by doctrines of denial (such as “no death before Adam”), which Genesis does not support. Most that see the presentation come away in awe, and wonder why they had not heard of it before. They question why only now is this (literal) view of Genesis being revealed, and why only one person has been promoting it.
Because you are coming to your own conclusions about the Bible. This is like watching two blind men argue over whether the Elephant in the room is a Cyclops.
I teach a 6-hr class for science teachers, to help them answer questions that students would ask concerning the fossil record and geologic time as defined by Genesis. When you teach both sides of the coin, you have balance, and are not “taking sides”. Public education is suppose to be neutral, and is not to promote any religion (theism or anti-theism), using public funds. Promoting Atheism in the public school system is evil, and is unconstitutional. Just look at the results such teachings have done to our society, where our children have a low value of human life. If there is no Creator, then there is no final Judgment: this is the message now being taught in public schools.
That you can boil down your entire world view into a 6 hour class for SCIENCE teachers is not just amusing, it is terrifying. It is a damning indictment that American Science is Fucked and requires a rigorous input of actual science at all levels of education. My generation grew up with the Magic School Bus and Bill Nye (our American Imports) alongside things like Blue Peter and the various BBC science shows.
The current generation is simply lacking in a show that encourages simple scientific endeavour and I am afraid the people who win in arguments like this are people like Herman Cummings.
The 62 minute presentation first proves that current creationism is wrong, both “young Earth” and all forms of “old Earth” theories. Secondly, it then disproves the Big Bang theory, by revealing withheld facts of our solar system, which the world of science doesn’t want the world to know. Thirdly, the presentation then explains the jumps in the fossil record, from 245 million years ago, to that of modern times. (In case you are wondering, the flood of Noah, which occurred in 2611 BC, has nothing to do with it). Geologic events is what the seven days of Moses are teaching, because Creation Week is not found in Genesis, as has been mistakenly taught by those in ignorance of the text.
Your argument is “Creationism is Wrong” because “My Creationism is Right”!
Secondly, the Big Bang Theory is widely considered fact due to the sheer amount of evidence for it.
Thirdly, everything you have said here is just so vague and incomprehensive that it doesn’t really mean anything.
I highly encourage each and every state to have this presentation shown to your legislative body, so that they will see the truth of pre-historic history. They must first see what the truth is, so that they can then make an educated decision on how to implement this into the education system. This is not something that would be taught by the Clergy or schools of Theology, because they are mired in false doctrines.
This is just an excuse to insert more Jesus into Children when they require more science.