No Honour

I am British.

I am also Asian. To my american readers, a british asian is what you would call “Indians”. In the UK it’s a catch all for Indians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans who settled in the UK. I actually find it such a misnomer since it treats “Asian” as a single culture when most british asians adopt local variations. I am more mancunian than british. It’s a diverse group of people who range from the “richest and best educated demographic” (British Indians) to “one of the poorest and least educated demographic” (British Pakistani/Bangladeshi). Generalisation never helps especially not here.

I am British Indian. I come from an upper middle class family. I am Indian in ethnicity but me and India have little in common. I am more brit than indian. It’s not a betrayal of my heritage (If anything this has made me even more proud of my heritage than most Indians and more well read about Indian history than many Indians) but an understanding of living in a multicultural society in a country I am proud to call my home.

Multiculturalism means acceptance of all cultures. It does not mean that stupid things in different cultures cannot be criticised. Multiculturalism does not and should not mean that I cannot call Scientology a ridiculous scam. It doesn’t mean that you can turn a blind eye to monsters. Not all “culture” is good. What I write is filled with trigger warnings (Abuse, Murder, Suicide) so proceed with that in mind. It is graphic, but the graphic nature of such things needs to be known. Death is not a clean process, it is a horrible messy termination of a human being. Sugar coating the incident detracts (IMHO) from the fact that someone has died.

Shafilea Iftikhar Ahmed was born on the 14th of July 1986 to Ahmed and Farzana. In September 2003, she went missing. Her house isn’t that far from where my parents live. Shafilea’s body was found in the River Kent near Sedgwick in Cumbria. The corpse was deliberately hidden and dismembered. As in all cases like this her parents were suspected but nothing came of it. Shafilea Ahmed’s murder was to be deemed unsolved.

In 2010 Alesha Ahmed, Shafilea’s younger sister arranged a robbery at her own parent’s house. Alesha’s relationship with the family was deteriorating. When arrested, Alesha laid out a bombshell. She claimed that she knew who murdered her sister a stance she had held when she was younger but retracted.

It is alleged that on September the 11th, 2003. Shafilea was picked up from her part time call centre job, driven home where an argument broke out.

At some point in this scenario, her mother pushed her onto the sofa and ordered her husband to “Finish it Now”. Farzana and Iftikhar Ahmed were then alleged to have held her down, forced a plastic bag into her mouth and covered her airways till she suffocated. Shafilea fought to live, struggling against this assault. Her father had his weight over her chest. Alesha described her final moments as a struggle to breathe with her eyes bulging in strain for a single breath of air and wetting herself as the life was choked from her. After she died her father struck her a single hard blow to the chest before getting up.

This was done in front of her four siblings. She was allegedly executed in such a fashion for bringing dishonour to the family. By not conforming to her parents “Pakistani Villager” ideals of what a girl should behave like. If this scenario did happen, then this was a calculated plan by parents to murder their child. What drove her parents to do this was a lot of things but on that day it was because Shafilea went out wearing a white t-shirt and trousers. She was allegedly killed because of the clothes she wore.

Farzana was then alleged to have been seen sorting through sheets, black bin bags, duct and parcel tape. Later when Alesha looked out of her window she saw her father carry black bin bags to his car and drive away. Her mother unusually came and slept in the dead girl’s bed in the shared room.

In 2010 after this admission, the parents were placed under surveillence. Conversations of note include a discussion about whether the police could check whether a car has been on a certain journey or whether the police could track mileage or GPS movements of a specific car. Farzana discusses the possibility of saliva detection which was dismissed by her husband as possible proof. They discuss getting away with murder if one has the support of newspapers as well as claiming that the UK works on proof and without any proof, there is nothing we can do to them.

It’s not for me to decide whether or not Ahmed and Farzana are guilty. I am not in the jury. I do feel that they are guilty but I am biased from the newspapers I read and from historical precedence. This isn’t a new story or a unique story. It is just the latest and greatest. What hurts me was the cry for help that was unanswered. Shafilea’s death was probably avoidable.

Shafilea loved poetry. She loved to write. She was a human and humans are all desperate to leave a mark on the world in some small and tiny way. Her killer or killers didn’t know that. I feel that writing is one of the most fundemental things a human being can do. Writing is an affirmation of communication, tool making, opposable thumbs and everything that makes human beings so special and wonderful. In words people still live and what lives here is pain.

I wish my parents would be proud of wot I done
Instead it’s ‘you’ve have bought shame’
Or something else lame
I don’t wanna hear this no more
No no no.
“I feel trapped.  All they think about is honour, I was like a normal teenage kid, didn’t ask 2 much, I just wanted to fit in, but my cult
ure was different. Now I’m sitting here playing happy families still crying tears”.

Shafilea was in pain. And no one fucking listened. Shafilea died because of her parents, but we all fucking sat and watched. And we knew this was happening. Prior to her death, her teacher Mrs. Code was worried about her due to her continuous absences. When she rang the house she spoke to Ahmed but insisted on speaking to Shafilea. When Mrs. Code asked whether she should be worried about Shafilea, the teenager responded with “yes”. But nothing came of it.

Shafilea ran away from home twice, there was no community support available or options she knew off that would keep her safe from her family. Twice she was brought back often being found at a friend’s house. Shafilea was even sent to Pakistan for an arranged marriage (different papers reported it as a marriage to a complete stranger or a cousin who she never met), when told she was to stay in Pakistan Shafilea attempted to kill herself by drinking bleach. When taken to the hospital Farzana insisted that it was due to the fact that Shafilea mistook it for mouthwash and drank it by accident. In the current trial it was reported as being mistaken for fruit juice. Alesha reported that Farzana wasn’t really perturbed by the suicide attempt so much as the fact that Shafilea survived it. Farzana infact yelled at Shafilea for making such a fuss.

To put it into perspective? Bleach is incredibly caustic. It would burn your throat and oesophagus trying to drink it. It is an agonising way to die. Shafilea survived due to medical care she recieved, but her mother was more annoyed that she brought dishonour. I assume this is because whoever she was supposed to marry decided not to marry the crazy suicide girl. To pick this as a way to kill yourself is an act of complete and utter desperation. To claim that she made a mistake between mouthwash/fruit juice and bleach shows a complete lack of logic. Shafilea tried to commit suicide to escape from a situation she thought and knew was hopeless. And it is our job as human beings to offer. And we can do that by accepting that criticism of a culture is not racist if it is  an honest criticism. Shafilea was killed by her parents because they belonged to a rural islamic culture which placed an inordinate amount of value on “familial honour” and treated women as property or livestock. Her tribal culture played a part due to the idea of honour. Islam played a part as it doesn’t treat women as anything but a set of reproductive organs. Our culture played a part because it is unwilling to criticise real things that need criticism.

Shafilea to her parents was nothing more than a brood cow that wouldn’t birth. It is wrong, it is not cultural imperialism to point it out. It is common sense. It is like a MRA suggesting that women are all bitches or cunts. It is like the Stormfront suggesting that all black people are superhuman crime and rap machines. It is empirically a bad viewpoint and we are not racist for calling them out on it and actively seeking to destroy that bit of culture. To put it into perspective as to how vile this culture is to go back to the events in the story. Alesha claims that after Shafilea was killed, her brother Junyade told his surviving sisters that “She (Shafilea) deserved it”. Junyade is just 13. What sort of culture creates that? It’s certainly one that has no place in my country.

People mock scientists and atheists as soulless. We “torture” animals in the name of medical research. We cut up humans to make them better with (if you listen to the likes of Natural News) callous disregard for human life. We deal in cold hard science rather than nebulous unprovable faith. We follow rules created by men rather than the supposed rules of the divine. It’s not true, we just find different things which affirm our fundemental humanity. And what affirms us is shared humanity. That we are all alive and human.

Sometimes self flagellation is needed to remind us of what happens when we forget that. I looked around and found some of the poems that Shafilea wrote. Read it, and remember that this was someone who suffered violence and pain. That there are more women like her. And that you shouldn’t think that someone else will say something or do something. This is something we all need to do wherever we are. That you irrespective of your gender should stand by these women. There is no carrot in this, only sticks. After this, I think that’s all we really deserve.

Happy Families
I don’t pretend like we’re the perfect family no more
Desire to live is burning
My stomach is turning
But all they think about is honour
I was like a normal teenage kid
Didn’t ask 2 much
I jus wanted to fit in
But my culture was different
But my family ignored
Now I’m sitting here

Playing happy families
Still crying tears
But no we’re a happy family
I have these fears
I wish, I wish, I wish
For a happy family
 

I lay in bed hoping the next day would be better
It was just a thought
Because it never happened no
But I still dream of this today yeah hey
I wish my parents would be proud of wot I done
Instead it’s you’ve have bought shame
Or something else lame
I don’t wanna hear this no more
No no no.
 
I Feel Trapped
I feel trapped, so stuck I don’t wot 2 do the feeling is mutual, I don’t know how to explain
Im a trapped so trapped (so trapped )
Now u know where I stand, when I fall back I got no where else to land
I don’t know how to say
I’m trapped so trapped I’m trapped wit u.
It was my last year in school, so happy with my friends I got lots to do —
But came this day when everything changed
I came home it seemed like a normal day
But sumthing wasn’t right —-
I wish I coulda changed the event
I shoulda killed myself instead
I’d rather have been dead
Coz now I have a burden on my chest
And no it won’t go away, the guilt, the pain
When I look back on things I coulda changed coulda stop, prevented, exchanged
But i had to turn out this way (so trapped)
Now I’m sitting on my window bay
Looking at the rain —-
Drowning sorrow and pain
Will this ever go away —-
I feel trapped so trapped, I’m trapped
I’m trapped, so trapped I’m trapped
(I don’t know wot do) I feel trapped.
But my family ignored

Mythbuster

Stand Back! We are going to try Science!

No… Not these guys. These guys are pretty good!

No. No we are dealing with Natural News not the mix of engineering and physics and hard science not to mention statistics that goes into the actual Mythbusters. Instead we have something that can only charitably described as fiction. I am half tempted to keep score over all the things that are simply wrong.

1. There is Only One Kind of Immunity

No there isn’t. There are two types of immunity. Innate and Adaptive.

Innate Immunity is the NATURAL immunity. It is the natural resistance to disease possessed by all humans. It’s based on the physical defences of skin, membranes and mucous and some chemical defences based on inflammation and non-specific phagocytosis.

Adaptive Immunity is the acquired resistance to pathogens produced by exposure to the physical structure of the pathogen. This is what is involved in vaccination and indeed in fighting a full blown infection.

2. Vaccination is the Artificial Triggering of Temporary Responses to Man-made Pathogens

It’s the artificial triggering of the acquired immune system to produce a response to a pathogen that has been weakened. The pathogen is not “man-made” and the response varies from a few years to life long. Many of the vaccines are killed where the pathogen is dead (the body recognises pathogens by structure not by activity) or pieces of the pathogen are present.

The resistance granted by a vaccine lasts as long as the natural infection and even if they don’t they carry the advantage of not actually contracting the disease.

It’s shocking that I have to explain this.

3. Vaccines are both Harmful and Dangerous and are leading to genarations of humans with no Natural Defenses to Disease.

Individuals who are vaccinated tend to be healthier than those who have not because disease by nature tends to make you unhealthy. And since the natural defences are not affected by vaccination…

4. Vaccines do not provide long-term immunity, only temporary at best. In vaccines, an antigen is injected into the body to produce a reaction and the immune system responds in the form of antibodies, but antibody presence does not confer immunity. People still catch the diseases that they are vaccinated against. Vaccines actually skip the normal immune responses to activate killer cells which can trigger an overproduction of cytokines in response to the toxic vaccine adjuvants and can damage tissues and organs and even stop the heart and block air pathways.

Vaccines provide varying periods of immunity based on the antigen. Some are long term (eg. Chicken Pox) some are not (eg. Flu). Antibodies are the effector mechanism of immunity so to claim that the presence of antibodies does not confer immunity is just a terrible lie.

Antibody titres reduce every year you are not exposed to the antigen. So the problem is vaccination in some cases has dropped the overall incidence of a disease, making exposure less likely and so immunity to wane at a greater rate. This isn’t a problem in people who naturally get the disease because they aren’t as likely to be re-exposed to the same disease again but in those who are vaccinated they can exposed to it.

And nothing is perfect in life. The analogy of seatbelt usage is perfect as it is a similar entity. It’s a preventative measure done to protect your life in case of one bad day. Not everyone is protected by seatbelts and some people actually do die because of the seatbelt but to not wear one would be madness because we can understand what head injury is. We can understand that hitting your head against the dashboard, windscreen and steering wheel can result in paralysis or death. We cannot understand how vaccines work because the way they work is counter-intuitive to anyone who is ignorant of biology.

Yes. By the very nature of of antigens, they are entirely capable of stopping the heart and blocking air pathways. In the same way that peanuts can do the same. Allergies are a massive and uncontrolled immune response and any antigen is capable of producing them. There are various grades of such hypersensitivity reactions and I have personally seen an individual who suffered from allergic dermatitis from concrete caused by working around concrete without any safety gear. However if the antigen from a vaccine would cause the allergy then so would the ACTUAL wild antigen.

As for Killer Cells. Fancy name but Killer Cells are mainly anti-tumour and anti-viral in their action and their function has nothing to do with vaccines. Killer cells are an effector cell themselves in the innate (natural) immune system. 

5. In fact, breast milk is so potent with immune energizing effects in the infant that researchers at the CDC recommend women withhold breastfeeding their children in order to boost the “effectiveness” of childhood vaccines. The paper claims that women should stop breastfeeding long enough for the man-made poison to work on artificial/temporary “immunity.”

Breast Milk is not “Potent with Immune Energising Effects”. It’s filled with antibodies. Each mother is generally immune to the pathogenic organisms present on her skin and in her gut and her milk provides the same immunity to her child.

Breast Milk only protects against diseases the mother is sensitised to. Pre-Childhood maternal vaccination PARTICULARLY for TORCH infections is vital in directly protecting the newborn child while the mother’s vaccination antibodies are also present. Children whose mothers are vaccinated have fewer infant diseases and diseases prior to the age of 6 months have higher mortality rates. In addition the child’s own immune system recognises maternal antibodies as foreign and produces antibodies of it’s own to destroy them thus reducing the effectiveness of breast milk. In addition, breast milk is a passive immune response with the antibodies provided only protecting against things the mother is immune to with no variation in titre in response to diseases.

Further more, the vaccine where you are asked to stop breastfeeding until the vaccinations is the Hepatitis B vaccine which is mainly given to children who are at risk from the disease. Often it is given to children born to Hep B positive mothers. The vaccine STOPS the spread of Hep B which is spread through breast milk.

6. There is no such thing as a “side effect”After-effects of vaccines are only followed for a very short time. Effects that are not seen for 30 years will not even be associated with the vaccine. Immunizations are contributing to the lowering of immunity along with the spread of auto-immune diseases such as arthritis and even AIDS throughout the world. Research clearly shows that aluminum mixed into vaccines carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation, and subsequent neurological complications and may have profound and widespread adverse health complicatio
ns. Many vaccines contain both aluminum and trace amounts of mercury. When you mix these 2 metals together it causes Extreme Synergistic Toxicity.

A side-effect is an effect that is secondary to the main effect. Not all side-effects are bad, for example the oncolytic side effects of x-rays help fight cancer. Natural News loves blaming everything on vaccinations as seen here when they claim AIDS is caused by vaccines when it is empirically proven that HIV is the causative organism of AIDS.

The “Research” is from the Florida League of Conservative Voters Education Fund which is not a research paper but something generated from a lobby group.

I will give them one thing. Western Medicine has resulted in an increase of Arthritis. It has also resulted in an increase in cataracts, cardiac arrests, pulmonary embolisms, strokes, hip replacements and cancers and vaccines are part of the reason.

Because these are diseases of age. You live longer with modern medicine and so are more likely to get one of these diseases and die from it. You have to die from something eventually and these are diseases caused by your body physically breaking down from age. You literally live so long your body breaks. It’s not a bad way to die from a variety of diseases prevented by vaccination.

7. Deaths from measles in 1900 were 13 per 100,000 people. In 1948: less than one. Measles vaccines introduced in 1963 but took full credit for what they never did – eliminate measles. Japanese health authorities realized that early inoculations were causing crib deaths so they postponed them until the 24th month and SIDS virtually disappeared along with whooping cough (pertussis) during the first two years of babies’ lives. Instead of preventing whooping cough the DPT promotes it as well as SIDS. Reuters recently reports that according to the CDC, the number of pertussis cases is growing – in the fully vaccinated population!

Measles mortality drops with improvements in nutrition (energy, protein and vitamin A malnourishment are all mortality and morbidity factors in Measles). However there was one MAJOR invention prior to 1900 that took the medical world by storm.

Asprin. As asprin usage went up, mortality went down. As the usage of fish liver oil went up, the mortality went down. Both came into usage as a major event in social and preventative medicine through the 1900s. However if one looks at the number of measles cases they remain the same. I have noticed some anti-vaccine sites bring up diptheria cases with the same reduction but I think Natural News has learnt their lesson (Diptheria mortality dropped due to the usage of anti-diptheria toxoid which started in 1894).

SIDS actually reduces in vaccinated children. And pertussis resurgence is found in areas with low vaccination and incomplete vaccination.

8. The recent Bachmair vaccine study reveals that the allergy rate in vaccinated children is more than double the rate in unvaccinated ones. Vaccinated children are also nearly eight times more prone to develop asthma or chronic bronchitis than unvaccinated. Furthermore, vaccinated kiddos suffer from more neurodermatitis, herpes, otitis media, hay fever, hyperactivity, scoliosis, epilepsy and seizures, migraine headaches, thyroid disease, and SIDS than unvaccinated children. Vaccinated kids historically also have more measles than unvaccinated kids.

The Bachmair Study was so categorically bad at what it does that it makes Jenny McCarthy look like a sane and sensible individual.

  • Bachmair is a Homeopath
  • Anyone can fill out the study form
  • There is no verification of the conditions being reported
  • There is no control group to compare against
  • The sample was a self identitifed anti-vac crowd
  • The group does not utilise modern medicine and alt. medicine practitioner diagnosis skills are incredibly suspect. A whole host of unseen diseases may be present that are simply not diagnosed.
  • Non-declaration of disease does not indicate the lack of a disease. Some diseases are difficult to diagnose, asthma for instance is diagnosed from the basic presentation of a simple cough. Alternative medicine is simply terrible at diagnosis.
  • Amusingly it proved that the level of autism in unvaccinated children is the same (And in some cases higher) as the vaccinated group. A lot of anti-vax didn’t really like that.
  • It mocks the National Institute of Health as doing “pointless medical research”, while this study was so poorly designed on a fundemental level that it probably would have been laughed at by other quacks.
  • Without a control group and without a pre-health check by a trained medical professional we have ABSOLUTELY no idea about the health status of these individuals nor can you take ANY of the statements as serious.
  • Epilepsy and Seizures are empirically stated to be reduced in populations that are vaccinated.
  • SIDS goes down in vaccinated people. 
  • A lot of the comparisons were between young age groups vs. total population incidences which is incredibly faulty.

9. Doctor after doctor will tell you that vaccinations have reduced the incidence of many infectious diseases but they have no real proof. In fact, all the epidemical evidence shows that disease rates rise after vaccines – in the vaccinated population. Should we trust them just on their word? Make an informed decision about you and your child’s health.

We do have proof. A lot of things that anti-vax don’t think is MEDICINE is actually medicine.

Every Single Person In The West Has Access To Two Things Devised By Medical Professionals That Are VITAL to Health.

The sanitary toilet and clean drinking water. These are based on the work by Dr. Snow who actively went around stealing pump handles in areas where cholera was rife linking cholera to unclean drinking water. In third world nations the drive for these things is spearheaded by DOCTORS.

I am currently starting a project where I bring such a toilet to a village and the improvements and education needed to realise why one is important (I will put up photos here as the project works).

Every single epidemiological study shows SHARP drops in the proper utilisation of vaccines. AKA the roll out in public health rather than the meager and haphazard adoption. And yes, there is a rise in the vaccinated population. It’s basic mathematics fail here.

Assume a population has a 95% incidence rate for a disease. After the introduction of the vaccine there is a 5% incidence rate. Prior to the introduction of the vaccine there is a 0% vaccination rate and a 0% incidence rate in the vaccinated, post vaccination there is a natural RISE in incidence in the vaccinated. It’s basic mathematics.

An informed choice is one understanding vaccination and medicine and indeed the limitations of the knowledge gap. It’s understanding the methodology and mechanisms of medicine and indeed the naysayers of medicine. It’s easy to see criticism from doctors, it’s a lot harder to take criticism from a man who doesn’t know what Avogadro’s Number is and assumes that water has magical powers.

As for the score? I lost count.

I’m not Racist! I have White Friends!

Sam Harris yet again raises the spectre of Racial Profiling. It’s okay though!
Although I don’t think I look like a jihadi, or like a man pretending not to be one, I do not mean to suggest that a person like me should be exempt from scrutiny. But other travelers fit the profile far less than I do. One glance at these innocents reveals that they are no more likely to be terrorists than walruses in disguise. I make it a point to notice such people while queuing for security at the airport, just to see what sort of treatment they receive at the hands of the TSA.

The problem with this argument is that we do not know what terrorists look like. They don’t fit a stereotype in the same way that most people do not fit into stereotypes. It’s why we have those pesky judges and juries when it comes to deciding whether or not someone comitted a crime rather than simply looking for “Criminal Chararacteristics”.

The example Sam gives is a elderly couple who were searched and forced to follow the same rules and regulation all passengers have to follow. Well tough shit Sam, if I don’t get to fly with my giant bottle of mouthwash, bourbon and toothpaste, then granny doesn’t get to fly with them either. That’s the way a fair and sane society works. An insane society works by saying “What Could They Possibly Do With That Box Cutter? They look harmless enough!” and look where that lead us to? TSA randomly pick people out for extra scans and tests? Okay, but I don’t see why you should assume that there are no old people who are terrorists or why they shouldn’t be subject to the same level of security. Technically, TSA should do this to everyone and not just a random sample.

There are terrorists from across the globe of various ilks. Yizthak Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish terrorist. The Atlanta bombings, Unabomber and Timothy McVeigh were all white. Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated by a Tamil (a suicide bomber no less) and his Mum by a Sikh terrorist. At this rate we are just better off checking every one. If we are running by stereotype then I am quite likely to be a suicide bomber myself since I am Tamil and that’s what they are famous for (TSA reads this? I am not a suicide bomber, I am just making a point)

After much preparation, the couple proceeded toward the body scanner, only to encounter resistance. It seems that they had neglected to take off their shoes. A pair of TSA screeners stepped forward to prevent this dangerous breach of security—removing what appeared to be orthopedic footwear from both the woman in the wheelchair and the man now staggering at her side. This imposed obvious stress on two harmless and bewildered people and caused considerable delay for everyone in my line. I turned to see if anyone else was amazed by such a perversion of vigilance.

How is this a perversion of vigilance? By the very definition of vigilance, everyone gets to be scanned. And taking off your shoes is an obvious stress? Then why the fuck do I have to do it? It’s not stressful to take your shoes off. It’s a minor inconvenience caused by a single attempted terror attack by a man called RICHARD who was a British Carribean islamic convert. Therefore making him completely unassailable by the standards of racial profiling since “Jamaicans” aren’t well known for their massive muslim population and support for Al-Qaeda. This incompetent terrorist tried to set fire to his own shoe in the hope that PETN (nitrate) explosive would explode. It didn’t and he just burnt his own feet before they captured him.

The man behind me, who could have played the villain in a Bollywood film, looked unconcerned.

And here lies the problem. Sam himself has just demonstrated how utterly pointless racial profiling is.

The vast majority of people in Bollywood are hindus and are unlikely to blow up a plane in the name of Allah and Jihad. Infact the vast majority of muslims are unlikely to blow up a plane in the name of Allah and Jihad, but more are likely to sympathise with those that do if you single them out to fuck with their travel experience.

There are Islamic fundies who look like everything from central african to white to asian to indian to south east asian. Infact Islam is one of the biggest faiths in the world. However the stereotype is “Swarthy Middle Easterner, Beard, Turban or Woman in Hijab/Niqab”. This is primarily a decision by the colour of their skin and it’s a terrible one because we have had situations where we have shot someone who wasn’t “muslim” because we thought they were a terrorist solely due to appearances.

In fact, my wife and I once accidentally used a bag for carry-on in which I had once stored a handgun—and passed through three airport checkpoints with nearly 75 rounds of 9 mm ammunition.

How do you do this by accident? How bad must you be to forget that “Duh! Guns aren’t allowed in Planes”. Does Sam just leave handguns lying around his house with no knowledge of them? Is this an actual true statement ? Because I don’t think that this is an acceptable thing to admit to.

Is TSA that lousy at their job? What would have happened if they caught him? (If you want to be silly? What do you think would have happened if Sam was called Ahmed and they caught him with the gun?)

Imagine how fatuous it would be to fight a war against the IRA and yet refuse to profile the Irish? And yet this is how we seem to be fighting our war against Islamic terrorism.

The british actually had more success by just checking everyone rather than trying to determine some mythical level of irishness. Remember the UK had the Lockerbie bombing so was not stranger to the scourge of Islamic extremism.

We should profile Muslims, or anyone who looks like he or she could conceivably be Muslim, and we should be honest about it.

Islam is a faith… any human can believe in Allah just like any human can believe in Jesus or Krishna. They aren’t related to the colour of your skin or even the clothes you wear.

Now riddle me this, how the hell are you supposed to differentiate between them all? They all LOOK like people you would see everyday in different parts of the world yet they are all Muslims. That’s nearly the entire world that looks like these people. Do we reall think that harassing people because they “may look a bit muslim” is betteer than letting terrorists through based on the fact they didn’t look very muslim? How muslim do you have to look to set this off? This plan is terrible on so many different levels because it hacks off all the muslims and lends credence to the feeling of victimisation. You also hack of all the people who you “THINK” look like Muslims but are not. You also really weaken your security system because there are blind spots in it when it comes to people who happen to “not look like muslims”.

In any case, it is simply a fact that, in the year 2012, suicidal terrorism is overwhelmingly a Muslim phenomenon. If you grant this, it follows that applying equal scrutiny to Mennonites would be a dangerous waste of time.

That may be the case, but the entire point is not just the halting of islamic terror but terrorist organisations irrespective of which god they believe in. While it may be true that it is islamic terrorists that are gunning for us, it also remains true that the way to kill terrorism is to cut off the supply of terrorists which is to stop genuine idiocy against muslims and give them a say in helping stop terror. Without their support nothing can be achieved and alienating them will just drive them to support the terror groups.

When I speak of profiling “Muslims, or anyone who looks like he or she could conceivably be Muslim,” I am not narrowly focused on people with dark skin. In fact, I included myself in the description of the type of person I think should be profiled (twice). To say that ethnicity, gender, age, nationality, dress, traveling companions, behavior in the terminal, and other outward appearances offer no indication of a person’s beliefs or terrorist potential is either quite crazy or totally dishonest. It is the charm of political correctness that it blends these sins against reasonableness so seamlessly. We are paying a very high price for this obscurantism—and the price could grow much higher in an instant. We have limited resources, and every moment spent searching a woman like the one pictured above, or the children seen in the linked videos, is a moment in which someone or something else goes unobserved.

Sam includes himself because he knows that no one would ever mistake him for a muslim. Why? Because he knows that the stereotype of muslim is “Swarthy Middle Easterner” and Sam Harris is not that. No one in their right minds in the west (bear in mind that many people post 11/9 couldn’t tell the difference between Muslims and Sikhs) would think he was a muslim anymore than they would think he was a hindu because of stereotypes. And stereotypes have killed in this case before. And it’s not like the USA isn’t short of cases where stereotypes haven’t lead to mishandling of people and cases resulting in utter tragedy.

What Mr. Harris doesn’t get is how dehumanising this is. That for his safety people like myself who aren’t muslim but who look “muslimesque” need to be checked for his safety. In response to 11/9 and 7/7 we have killed far more muslims than they have killed… A collosal 113000 in Iraq alone vs 3050 dead in these two attacks. We are far more dangerous to them than they are to us.

Imagine that you work for the TSA and are executing a hand search of a traveler’s bag. He is a young man in his twenties and seems nervous. You notice that he is carrying a hardcover copy of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. You pick up the book and ask him if he likes it. He now appears even more nervous than before. You notice something odd about the book—the dust jacket doesn’t seem to fit. You remove it and find a different book underneath. How do you feel about this traveler’s demeanor, and the likelihood of his being a terrorist, if the book is:
A. The Qur’an (in Arabic)
B. The Magic Mushroom Grower’s Guide
C. Overcoming Impotence: A Leading Urologist Tells You Everything You Need to Know
D. Dianetics

I do like Sam Harris and his work but this article is dumb. The guy seems to think that Israel’s approach to security has HELPED reduce terrorism when all it has done is to create a society that is endemically racist. Palestine is not free. It is a ghetto. It is a reservation. It is a “black only neighbourhood”. It is a walled off area where the only Jews around carry a lot of firepower. It’s an area where you are not free if you say Salaam rather than Shalom. It is a theocracy. It’s really that simple, do you think this sort of airport security helps in creating peace or has helped in maintaining the status quo of hatred by feeding the (quite real) Palestinian persecution complex?
 
Israel’s security measures are equal parts draconian and brutal. If it were any other group of people doing this sort of thing we would put up posters with Amnesty International logos and make witty and incisive jokes about their leaders and country. For example? North Korea?
 

Does North Korea know that they have named all their missiles after penises?
Because as of now their missile program looks like it could use some viagra.

We don’t with Israel mainly because we kind of created that mess and any criticism has to begin with us going “yeah, maybe creating a nation based on a 2000 year old book at the cost of other people is a terrible idea”.

Claiming that what they do is good doesn’t look at the social ramifications of what you are doing. You are basical
ly limitting the freedom of one group of people based on what they look like.

Sam Harris may have letters from Muslims who would rather be treated poorly than risk death on a plane. That’s fine. However I would rather everyone be treated the same rather than claim safety bythe application of stereotype.

Exterminate!

Oh no! They have found our darkest secrets, move forward to phase II my minions! They have forced me to reveal my hand early. But no matter they will fall before me like myotonic goats before a firework display!

On a more serious note? This is pretty much par for the course for Natural News but it shows a deep seated streak of anti-science born out of being luddites. For those who are unaware? Luddites were a social movement of English weavers who banded together to destroy and damage the scientific progress that threatened their careers as weavers. The machine in question was the mechanical loom which could do in minutes what took them days. Without which we wouldn’t have things that we take for granted.

Like wardrobes and multiple changes of clothes. The simple act of me getting home, taking a shower and washing my clothes and buying new boxers once a year would be unthinkable in the period of the luddites. Because they were made redundant by technology and their skills became pointless. Technology gets redundant all the time. From the humble telephone to even something as technologically impressive as the Concord. I agree with Clarkson on this. Concord became obsolete because it was too slow in a world with cheap internet.

Natural News speaks to this primal fear of obsolescence. To the average person science is a vast entity that has exceeded the ability of a common man to understand it. It’s easy to understand “I discovered a new plant/chemical/equation”. It’s hard to draw the line between science fiction and reality when we talk about transhumanism, genetic modification, fundamental particles and nanoparticles. People hear that and think of all the science fiction movies they have seen where humanity is destroyed by our own hubris.

The most important thing to remember about science fiction is that at it’s core it is FICTION. When you forget that, you get Mike Adams. Also when you cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality you are considered delusional and this article is delusion to the max. 

Pictured… Extinction
No. We aren’t destroying the human race. Only a moron would think that. There are 7 BILLION people on the planet. In fact, the problem is that there are so many many humans that we are actually having shortages which will eventually affect us all detrimentally. Modern wealth is due to discrepancy in resource allocation, if we spread it out we will quickly realise that we don’t have enough to give everyone. What we need is a REDUCTION of our population because humans are extremely stable as a population. We live long, have low infant mortalities. In western multicultural societies we are increasing our genetic diversity in a big big way. We are extremely resistant to extinction because we as a species do not need to evolve to survive big changes as we are capable of simply thinking problems through. In short? We are extremely fucking tough. We don’t need claws because we can build guns. We don’t need thick skin because we can build tanks. We don’t need to look scary because we can make fire. We don’t need speed or flight because we are the fastest things on the bloody planet. Our technology has made us incredible.

Humanity is made up of cyborgs in the crudest sense of the word. We are so intrinsically linked to our technology that we as humans cannot be considered without it. Without science we are nothing. And the inability to get this is the driving force behind Mike Adams latest pile of fail. There are 7 billion of us and we aren’t going away anytime soon. It’s just that Mike Adams hates science and he really doesn’t care about honesty. His so called “Honest Look” states

In fact, if you take an honest look at what threatens our civilization and our planet today,it’s always something done in the name of science!

In the name of the moon I will punish you!

Do not judge…

Now that I have gotten my obligatory nerdy reference out of the way, Mike Adams is so fucking clueless that he assumes that without science everything was all beer, burgers and blowjobs. Never mind that prior to electricity, most of us had to use incredibly unclean and dangerous open flames or gas flames in our houses. Never mind that prior to medical science, the most dangerous thing a woman could do was give birth to children and that surviving to the age of 15 was considered an achievement in itself. That prior to the green revolution starvation was so common across the globe that no one gave a damn.

The fact remains that on this planet roughly a billion lives exist due to the work of people like Norman Borlaug. So let’s deconstruct some of his gripes before he gets to the “10 Most Deadly Things in Science”. .

• Toxic pesticides that kill the soils and rivers? “Science!”

That help feed a billion people without which, roughly 1 out of 7 people on this planet will not exist. And that’s actually assuming we fed ourselves to this standard. What would really happen is we in the west would still have food while the poor of the world in Asia and Africa would not and would simply “Starve to Death”.

• Toxic chemical medications that kill humans and pollute downstream waters? “Scientific!”

The infant mortality rate in Nigeria and other parts of Africa is around 120 per 1000. In the west it is around FOUR. That’s thirty times lower. Why? Because of “Toxic Medications”. Because Mike Adams couldn’t understand medicine if we threatened to beat him senseless with Kumar and Clark. Because he is a Health Ranger, not a Doctor. One of these things is a real thing, the other is a made up title. Basically, since medicine sometimes causes adverse reactions we should simply die of diseases.

• The mass poisoning of the population with a toxic combination of industrial waste prod
ucts called “fluoride?” It’s all done for “science!”

Fluoride in water is the single most cost effective dental treatment in the world. It is responsible for the reduction of cavities in every single western population. Maybe Mike Adams is sponsored by Big Dentistry.

• Nuclear bombs that have already decimated civilian populations? “Science!”

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tragedies. They were a demonstration of a brutal show of force designed to demoralise and crush an enemy that was prepared to sell itself dearly for no reason. Mike Adams is a fucking moron because he has not read history.

Japan fought tooth and nail across Asia and the Pacific Islands. Each being won in bloody contest that sent thousands of young men on both sides to their deaths. The japanese occupied lands suffered from the most horrific enslavement ever. The Japanese were WORSE than the Nazis. They killed more people in more horrific and inventive ways than the Nazis did. They destroyed societies. They raped and pillaged and slaughtered. And the worst of all? They excused their actions by their code of honour. And their code of honour caused them to fight to the death on the Islands and Asia because of their faith in the living god of the emperor.

The only option was for Japan was defeat. We had two choices. We either invaded the mainland of Japan and fought a war where every single man, woman and child was prepared to fight and die in the name of the emperor or we dropped the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb saved more lives than it killed. It saved tens of thousands of soldiers who would have had to fight in Japan. It saved Japan from a war that would have further brutalised it’s population. The estimated casualties for an invasion of Japan were in the million man mark for the allies with estimated deaths of japanese reaching close to 10 million.

All those lives were saved by the Destroyer of Worlds and his bomb.

Mammograms and other medical imaging devices that actually cause cancer? “Scientific!”

Mammograms detect cancer. They don’t cause it. If you don’t detect cancer it still will kill you. It’s just that a routine yearly scan mixed in with self palpation can detect a lot of breast cancer and saves a lot of lives. It can cause cancer but for the most part it is detective in nature. There is a massive improvement in treatment and care for breast cancer with nearly 70 to 80% of women SURVIVING breast cancer.

Other “Medical Imaging Devices” that can cause cancer are X-Rays and CT Scans. I don’t know about Mike, but we actually don’t expose people to that many X-Rays/CT Scans.

Chemotherapy poisons, “preventive” mastectomies, cancer radiation treatments? It’s all “scientific” of course.

Yes. Go back and see that magic 80% of women surviving breast cancer. For every woman who dies there are FOUR who live. Because of poison, mutilation and radiation. The problem with Mike is he wants a cancer cure that is like the treatment for worm infestation. Just one tablet and POOF no more cancer! In Mike’s world there would be no real treatment for cancer and people would just “Die” and he would simply claim they didn’t take his vitamins regularly or something equally inane and tragically dickish.

The mass mercury poisoning of children through dental amalgams? They call it “science-based dentistry!”

1980s called. They want their pseudoscience back. Dental amalgams haven’t poisoned children.

Real science is the quest for understanding, not the quest for profit

Which is why Mike Adams has a shop linked to his blog where they flog supplements you don’t need for rather large amounts of money.

And knowledge without the ability to apply it is pointless. If we never applied any of our understanding we would have no human civilisation. Mike Adams thinks we should all be amateur scientists. Why?

Because in his world his abject lack of qualifications is killer. In a world where anyone can be called a scientist the Health Ranger is a real qualification.

Let’s see what Mike is so scared about with his 10 things that can kill the entire human civilisation off. If you believe in science fiction and fear mongering.

#1) Nuclear power (Fukushima in particular)

Coal kills way more people every year than nuclear power. If we totalled the total deaths to each (yes even if we include The Bomb) then more people have died due to coal than nuclear power. Same for Oil. Fukushima as a crisis has stopped and it only produced a tenth of the radiation of Chernobyl. No one died in Fukushima… By contrast? The Cosmo Oil Company in Chiba Prefecture was also hit and caused the deaths of 6 people. By Adams logic we should stop using petrol.

And what does Mike Adams suggest we use? Dams? Related to Geography. Wind? Related to Geography, require vast lands, not suitable for use everywhere, unreliable, expensive. Solar? Same. If only we could generate electricity from bullshit and hot air then we could be free from fossil fuels just based on Mike Adams.

That doesn’t me we cannot try to use them as much as possible but it doesn’t mean nuclear power is going to go away anytime soon.

#2) GMOs (self-replicating genetic pollution)

Food as a weapon though GMOs? The biggest cause of starvation and farmer suicides in the world is…

Western Civilisation. You see, we are really REALLY good at making food. We suffered for it too. We decimated the countryside population and forced people into cities. Roughly 5% of our population feeds the remainder. In developing nations? Roughly 70% does that. Now here is the problem.

We are so good at what we do that we can produce food for so cheap that in the international market, we DROP the price of food. Particularly when you calculate food subsidies we in the west use to ensure that we have a strategic reserve of food. Now our choices are “Give up a strategic reserve of food” (Yeah! Because that is a GREAT plan) or “Give food for free to third world nations” (Great Plan! What do those 70% of people do instead now that you have destroyed their livelihood?) or “Produce a sustainable change where we industrialis
e third world nations” (Great plan, only thing is we don’t have the resources.). The answer is not easy because no one wants to admit that the problem is that Developing and Least Developed Nations cannot maintain such a skewed demography and no one wants to tell them the brutal truth of that. That millions of people who have been farming for generations are going to have to stop.

It’s not Monsanto. It’s us. And it’s not something WE can change, but it is something we can help others in the world change to.

Also every type 1 diabetic on Insulin owes their life to a GMO. Mike Adams would rather treat you with herbs and wishful thinking rather than actual medicine. No. GMOs are fine, it’s just that Mike Adams doesn’t know what they are. Less Jurassic Park and more Bacteria that makes insulin.

#3) Nanotechnology (self-replicating microscopic machines)

No. Nanotechnology is anything that’s molecular level of size and small. Not all nanotechnology is “machine based”. And he is flogging the grey goo scenario as a possible way the world could end. By his logic the world could end through a homeopath producing Water 9 therefore we should ban homeopathy.

#4) Bioweapons (self-replicating microscopic weapons)

No one in modern history has ever used a bioweapon. No one is stupid enough to use a weapon that affects you just as easily as it affects your opponent. And no one is stupid enough to use a weapon which can be stopped through something as simple as medicine. Nice try Mike but Zombie Apocalypse/Disease Scenarios are just stupid in a world where we understand Germ Theory.

I think this fear is most damning. Because it shows that Mike definitely does not understand how pathogens function.

#5) Atmospheric experiments (HAARP and high-altitude spraying)

Cool Acronym. Sinister right… like the active form of HAARP should be HAARM. HAARP stands for High Altitude Auroral Research Program. It analyses the Ionosphere doing experiments which may help in improving communication.

I blame The Core. I think Mike Adams (again) forgets the difference between reality and science fiction. Poking the Ionosphere will not change the magnetic poles of the earth because that is generated by the spinning of the molten core fo the earth in a solid crust that has a lot of iron. The magnetic poles flip due to the orientation of the core. Flipping the magnetic poles may affect some electronics but it really does bugger all to us since we do not function by magnetism.

And chemtrails? Really?

#6) Artificial Intelligence (AI, when coupled with killer drone hardware)

The Combat Drone? The combat drone is a low cost platform for a camera that provides some level of anti-tank support in the field. It’s PRIMARY use is intelligence gathering and battlefield awareness.

Knowing where your enemies are and conveying that information to soldiers on the ground is more important than mindlessly unleashing missiles and bullets. Wars are won on information systems. Without information your giant war machine is just a series of parts to be destroyed piece meal. And the unmanned drone is currently the acme of real time combat information gathering.

It incidentally fires hellfire missiles. It’s no different from driving a helicopter out there but at a much lower cost and with lower risk to the combatants since the drone is very small while the helicopter is very big. I don’t see Mike Adams claiming that rotory winged aircraft are going to spell our doom despite the fact that the helicopter is basically the combat drone’s more badass and heavily armed brother.

All drones have human operators and there is no plan to make the drone fire with no human input due to the fact that computers are notoriously incapable of thinking on their feet which is a disadvantage in a combat situation where human judgement is required.

#7) Particle accelerator physics experiments (Large Hadron Collider)

The people at the LHC are trying to find out new things and discover how the world functions. Mike Adams sees it as dangerous because Mike thrives on idiocy and every thing science does is roll back the veil of plausible idiocy where Mike and his ilk can hide. We aren’t playing god so much as throwing back the curtain. And indeed what’s behind the curtain is a sad human being pretending to be something he isn’t. Well that’s what Adams sees. We don’t CARE, we see far more useful and impressive things that come about from this experiment.

The LHC is trying to produce the fundemental  particles that compose matter. To see how small we can get. To prove what we are made out of. Mike believes in the nonsensical argument that we could generate a massive point mass and somehow create a blackhole from a collision.

#8) Pollinator disruption chemicals (synthetic pesticides that destroy honey bee colonies)

Unlike those natural pesticides that don’t kill bees? We actually don’t spray around bees. The issue with bees seems to be parasitical and most pesticides are specifically used in ways to be less deadly to bees. The pesticide in question is Imidacloprid which causes a drop in resistance to a fungal pathogen. It’s actually banned in Europe but the major causative effect IS the fungus.

#9) Nuclear weapons



Unlikely to be used due to MAD. No one is stupid enough to use one. Also the Cold War wants it’s fears back. 

 #10) Weaponized vaccines (live cross-species viral material being injected into human targets)

You know? Guns are cheaper and more effective. Also I can kill people who are a few feet away from me. I mean this is just Industrial Grade Bollocks. Vaccines create immunity and prevent disease. We know this. Mike is just lying at this point in order to flog Vitamin D supplements which are a lot more expensive than vaccines. And I don’t think Mike Adams understands how condoms and contraceptive pills works if he thinks you need to inject it via vaccines. Mike labours under the assumption that well vaccinated societies have low birth rates not due to the liberation of women and feminist ideology, the availability of birth control and emphasis on quality of life rather than quantity for our children. He attributes the low birth rate to “Vaccines” because immune reactions cause your sperm and eggs to stop functioning in the world
of Mike Adams.

The “science” practiced today is a science of domination and control. It is almost never carried out for humanitarian purposes to benefit humankind.

Except for that Green Revolution which singlehandedly feeds a billion people. And that smallpox extermination. And the polio extermination. And the usage of Retrovirals in Africa. And that Internet. Not to mention seatbelts, car efficiency and alternate energy sources….

As a result of such trends, “science” has come to mean corruption, dishonesty, greed and death. “Scientists” — the people who practice such science — aredeath engineerswhose innovations may deliver hyped-up short-term benefits, but they often ultimately lead to long-term death and destruction. Roundup herbicide, for example, kills crop soils and encourages the development of pesticide-resistant “superweeds.” In the terrain of human biology, much the same ramification of death and destruction is happening with the widespread abuse of antibiotics and the alarming rise of MRSA and other “superbugs.”

I am a Death Engineer. If Mike Adams is the Health Ranger then I am the Goddamn Death Engineer.

For all you know this is what I look like while I am engineering.

If we erred on the side of caution we would never have done ANYTHING. And we understand caution far more than Mike Adams. Mainly because we actually understand risks while Mike Adams will not do anything unless 100% sure. Therefore Mike Adams probably doesn’t wear a seatbelt because in  car crash there is a small chance that the seatbelt may kill you and because it doesn’t stop 100% of fatalities.
There is a chance if you play with fire you will burn yourself. There is a chance you will hurt yourself with a pointed stick. If we thought like Mike Adams we would have never gotten to where we are with our technology.
In the name of science, humanity has developed remarkable technologies. But as a species, humankind operates as infants in terms of wisdom and maturity. We are worse than children with flamethrowers –we are children with nukes!
The difference between me and Mike is this. Mike fears everything. We didn’t know that we would unleash MRSA when we started using antibiotics. If we did, we would have used antibiotics in cocktails that would have prevented the formation of MRSA. Mike? Mike would have let the countless people across the globe who owe their lives to antibiotics die. Why?

Because Mike Is a Dick. What do you call a person who lives in a technological wonderland who actively seeks to claim that people living in third world conditions live in some sort of fucking utopia and that we should live like them. What do you call someone who actively seeks to undermine people who are trying to improve the conditions that these people live in? You call them dicks.

He denigrates scientists as nerds because he has watched the Big Bang theory and assumes we are all borderline autistic (Due to all those vaccines) and are incapable of behaving like anything but a stereotype. To him the “Biology Nerd” who rappels down cliffs for samples is unknown. To him a “Chemistry Nerd” who goes clubbing is unknown. To him “Physics Nerds” at a pub for a football match are an unknown. Why?

Because he cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction. In fiction any scientist is a nerd possibly with glasses who is either weak physically or a sociopath. However the joke is on him. Reality does not have a Mike Adams bias.

But I digress! Where was I. Oh yes… 

Va-ccin-ate! Va-ccin-ate!
EX-TERM-INATE!

Jagganath Chaterjee – 40 Reasons to Not Vaccinate?

Sometimes while poking around the anti-vaccine lobby you find something so insane that not even Natural News would touch it. And I have found something that’s madness incarnate.

In this corner I present to you Jagganath Chatterjee, whose mindbogglingly daft 40 Reasons to Not Vaccinate your child attempts to bring the anti-vaccine movement to India. So with that in mind, here are 40 arguments against his 40.    
1. There is no scientific study to determine whether vaccines have really prevented diseases. Rather disease graphs show vaccines have been introduced at the fag end of epidemics when the disease was already in its last stages. In case of Small Pox the vaccine actually caused a great spurt in the incidence of disease killing thousands before public outcry led to its withdrawal. 

I don’t know what planet Jagganath lives on but in the real world Smallpox vaccination was halted when the world was declared free of smallpox and we didn’t need to vaccinate for something considered extinct. Vaccines were introduced in response to epidemics and further epidemics after those became less and less severe. However with every vaccination the severity of the outbreaks lessened. I did point out the idea that smallpox vaccinations were either introduced at the end of a outbreak or before one with no effect is a common idea in vaccine denialists in a previous article.

2. There are no long-term studies on vaccine safety. Very short-term unscientific tests are carried out where the vaccinated subjects are checked against another group who are given another vaccine. Technically the tests should be carried out against a non-vaccinated group. No one really knows what protocols are followed at such industry-sponsored trials. 

On the contrary. There are plenty of studies on vaccine safety over entire generations. Jagganath CLEARLY doesn’t understand what a placebo vaccine is. A placebo is anything that mimics all the components of the drug except the active component. How does one mimic a positive immune reaction though? By giving another vaccine where there is no overlap with the test vaccine. That way the only difference is sensitisation to different antigens. And we have statistics that compare to non vaccinated groups. There is plenty of literature showing the categorical fall in the incidence of a disease after the vaccine is introduced such as in the case of the incidence of Smallpox or the various studies into the introduction of the Measles vaccine. Not to mention that all the protocols of vaccine testing are published.

What Jagganath means is “I don’t know the protocols so I am going to assume no one does”.

3. There has never been any attempt to compare a vaccinated population against a non vaccinated population to know what vaccines are doing to the children and the society.

Jagganath’s problem is he thinks that the vaccine test has to occur simultaneously rather than as a timed comparison. AKA you take a group of people and note the existing rates and then vaccinated them and see what happens to the rates. He wants a side by side comparison where one group lives and one group dies when the results are the same as comparing to existing rates.

In India the effect is insanely clear. Diseases that once killed in the thousands are vanishing. Polio is eradicated from India (A frankly titanic and insanely impressive effort)

4. The child receives not one but many vaccines. There are no tests to determine the effects of multiple vaccines.

Because there are many diseases. And so far what we see is that all those vaccines drop their respective diseases creating a drop in mortality rate.

None of these vaccines are given at the same time and anti-vaccine luddites love categorising multivalent vaccines and strains as “individual” vaccines. Therefore to them the OPV and Polio vaccines either count as two or three depending on strain.

Again, there are plenty of tests every one of them shows that the majority of people who utilise vaccines are fine.  

5. There is no scientific basis for vaccinating infants. As per senior doctors quoted by the Times of India, “Children suffer from less that 2% of vaccine preventable illnesses but 100% of the vaccines are targeted towards them.” The vaccine pioneers who have recommended abundant caution before vaccinating the population have never advocated Mass vaccinations.

Really? Those doctors are fucking morons then. The leading causes of deaths in all children in India are Diarrheoa, Pneumonia, Measles and Malaria. That with a enforced vaccine program and other drives the state of Keral has produced an infant mortality rate of around 11 per 1000 compared to the frankly batshit insane norm of 70 per 1000. Oh and 70 per 1000 is not the same all over India. There are parts of India where the rate is far worse. Only Malaria is not vaccine preventable, diarrhoea and pneumonia have various vaccines that reduce mortality and measles is really uncommon in areas with access to the MMR vaccine.

There is plenty of scientific basis for vaccinating infants. The entire point is that the maternal immune system stops protecting the child after a few weeks of birth and indeed in India the maternal immune system isn’t all that strong due to the functional malnourishment that is endemic to India (between 60% of people in India are functionally malnourished – AKA missing vital nutrients often due to wacky diets prescribed by sadhus and alt. medicine practitioners).

6. Children are vaccinated simply because parents can be frightened to forcefully vaccinate their children. Vaccinating infants is the most profitable business both for the manufa. cturers as well as the doctors.

Jagganath is a moron. There I said it. It’s really bloody hard to be polite about a topic. Look, if you had a guy from NASA talk about space shuttles and amazing rockets and then some flat earther came out and started quoting flat earth nonsense, the guy from NASA would call this man a moron and everyone else would nod along. I don’t see why I should respect Jagganath or his pro-disease nonsense.

Why should we spend money on rockets when we can spend it on some sort of space ship.

The treatment for Measles in India would cost around Rs. 300 to Rs. 500 for the average child. The vaccine costs Rs. Free. Remind me again is free bigger or smaller a value than 300? Most children in India are entitled to free vaccines and the government recommended schedule is available from government healthcare centres for free. Yes. India’s government can barely afford to feed people and the power where I live doesn’t work and corruption is so rife in it that it’s easier to count non-corrupt people in politics… And even they managed to do something amazing in providing basic vaccination for free. And it shows! The infant mortality has consistently fallen across the board in areas with good healthcare acccess. India’s current infant mortality is is a whopping 62 per 1000. Still high but falling.

Profit? Most vaccine manufacturers also make drugs. There is more money in sickness than in prevention. I don’t think the anti-vaccine lobby understand that enough.   

7. The Government of India has come out with a quarter page advertisement in The Hindu warning parents not to vaccinate beyond the Government approved vaccines. Parents have been advised against vaccinating in private clinics and hospitals.

No they have not. I think what was in the papers was a warning not to vaccinate beyond the government approved list of vaccine companies as many fradulent companies may exist. And I don’t think the Government of India has ever published an article like this. I think this is a lie.   

 8. The Orissa Chapter of the Indian Association of Pediatricians has admitted in a letter to the CM, Orissa, that private clinics and hospitals are ill equipped to store vaccines and warned parents not to vaccinate upon the advise of private practitioners and hospitals.

Bollocks. I checked. No one has said this. And you can store vaccines in a normal bog standard fridge. If push comes to shove you can make an ice box and store them. No one has said this, it seems like the only people who have heard this information in India are Jagganatha and his luddites.

Oh Noes! Where would we get a Fridge!

 9. ALL THE VACCINE INGREDIENTS ARE EXTREMELY TOXIC IN NATURE.

In large quantities yes. In a vaccine most of these are in miniscule amounts that our bodies are capable of dealing with and that we are routinely exposed to more amounts of these “toxins” (particularly in India where environmental dumping laws are rather more libertarian than in the west) in our daily lives or produce them within our own bodies.  

10. Vaccines contain heavy metals, cancer causing substances, toxic chemicals, live and genetically modified viruses, contaminated serum containing animal viruses and foreign genetic material, extremely toxic decontaminants and adjuvants, untested antibiotics, none of which can be injected without causing any harm.

Aluminium and Mercury is also found in a whole lot of traditional indian medicine in far larger quantities. I don’t see Jagganath having a hissy fit over those. And without the live or genetically modified (I assume this is what he thinks attenuation is) viruses in the vaccine how does he think they work? These are arguments hashed out repeatedly.

There you go! Fan Service! Famous woman eats phallic food. You are welcome!

I do love the idea of foreign genetic material. Did you know that roughly three to four times a day I consume foreign genetic material. Humans are so addicted to foreign genetic material that if you stop consuming foreign genetic material you die.  

11. The mercury, aluminum and live viruses in vaccines is behind the huge epidemic of autism (1 in 10 worldwide as per doctors in the USA), a fact that has been admitted by the US Vaccine Court.

If this were Naruto this man would have the power to see through time or summon a giant badger when he blinks

Lying again? Not surprised! Hannah Polling was given money not because she has autism but because she had a mitochondrial disorder and that no one could say that the vaccines hadn’t exacerbated it. But guess what? Mitochondrial disorders are insanely rare. Like “Should be on an episode of House” rare. Put it this way, I have seen a case of Wilson’s Disease which was featured on house and that is a lot more common than this.

1 in 10 worldwide? More like 1 in a 100. And the US vaccine court is not the high court of science. At times like this I believe that there is a god and he took me seriously when I uttered Voltaire’s Prayer.  

12.The CDC of USA, the vaccine watchdog, has publicly admitted that its much-publicized 2003 study denying any link between vaccines and autism, is flawed. The Chief of CDC Dr Gerberding has confessed to the media (CNN) that vaccines can ca
use “autism like symptoms”. The Autism epidemic is found only in those countries that have allowed mass vaccinations.

The CDC is not the vaccine watchdog but is an entity that does public health and tracks disease trends in the USA so as to better combat emerging threats in medicine. It’s basically the Intelligence branch of American Medicine. They audit and improve the functioning of a entire system of medicine.

And we produced information categorically stating that there is no link between autism and vaccination since the rates of autism are the same in vaccinated and non-vaccinated people. Autism diagnosis is rare in India because there is no infrastructure and for the same reason why kids in the 80s didn’t “suffer from autism”.

Because we all knew weird, antisocial or plain crazy kids. Kids that today would be diagnosed with autism. Many of these kids grew up and adapted to live in the real world. Many did not and became recluses. The point is today we are capable of recognising these children. The vast majority of kids on the autism spectrum fall under the “slightly weird but normal” category of “80s children”. As for flawed research? I am guessing the CDC’s study in Jagganath’s opinion was flawed but the Andrew Wakefield one was performed as the acme of scientific rigour which proved that vaccines can travel through time to cause autism and epilepsy is a form of autism. 

13. In the year 1999, the US Government instructed vaccine manufacturers to remove mercury from vaccines “with immediate effect”. But mercury still remains a part of many vaccines. The vaccines with mercury were never recalled and were given to children up to the year 2006. “Mercury free” vaccines contain 0.05mcg of mercury, enough to permanently damage a infant.

Firstly, the only vaccine with thiomersal (not mercury, otherwise I am going to claim that all my food contains deadly deadly chlorine! And explosive sodium!) left in the USA is the flu vaccine and that contains 20 mcg of it. Not 0.05 mcg. The problem is Jagganath again cannot tell the difference between different SI units.   

14. IN INDIA NO ATTEMPT HAS BEEN MADE TO ENSURE THAT MERCURY AND OTHER HEAVY METALS ARE REMOVED FROM VACCINES SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE VACCINES COSTLIER.

It would also make vaccines harder to distribute and there has been been no correlation with the minute amounts of aluminum hydroxide (you consume more aluminium hydroxide in over the counter anti-emetics, bulk laxatives and anti-heartbearn medication than in all the vaccines combined). I don’t know what planet Jagganath lives in the government is on a tight budget and costlier vaccines actually means fewer people vaccinated.  

15. In a reply to then President Sri Abdul Kalam, the Health Ministry informed, “mercury is required to make the vaccines safe”. To the authors query that “what are these vaccines that it requires the second most dangerous neurotoxin, mercury, to make them safe?”, there was no reply.

We routinely use neurotoxins in medicine such as Atropine and Neostigmine… These save people’s lives. Botulin toxin is vital to the treatment of spastic paralysis and curare is vital to setting bones and heart surgery.

Neurotoxins aren’t safe but that doesn’t mean they do not have a function. And many of these are far deadlier than mercury. Mercury in vaccines is in such a small amount that you get more mercury from eating fish and from drinking water from certain areas.


Rice, Shark and Chicken. So very tasty.

And Abdul Kalam is a rocket scientist. A smart man but his knowledge of medical science is not the same as other people. I am sure this conversation didn’t take place. Because medical textbooks mention the reason for the usage of thiomersol (Preservative, a miniscule dose of thiomersol keeps the solution free of bacteria, maintains attenuation and stops any fungal growth).  

16. Mercury used in vaccines is second in toxicity only to the radioactive substance, Uranium. It is a neurotoxin that can damage the entire nervous system of the infant in no time.

No it’s not. There are more deadly neurotoxins out there and many that we use for medically related things. Neurotoxin isn’t a “mechanism” there are specific ways they work. And I am sure pure sodium is as deadly but we regularly eat ionic sodium. Chemical structure is also vital.  

17. Mercury accumulates in fat. The brain being made entirely of fat cells, most of the mercury accumulates there giving rise to the peculiar symptoms of the autistic children.

Maybe Jagganath’s brain is made up of fat cells but the rest of us have brains that function due to neurons.  

18. The mercury used in vaccines is ethyl mercury. According to Indian doctors7 this is 1000 times more toxic than the usual methyl mercury.

Yet according to reality methyl mercury is more toxic and in which planet is ethyl mercury equal to mercury? Ethyl indicates an ethyl (a two hydrocarbon group) while methyl indicates a single hydrocarbon group. How are these similar to mercury with no hydrocarbon groups? Oh that’s right… Failure of basic high school chemistry here. 

 19. The aluminum present in vaccines makes the mercury, in any form, 100 times more toxic.

Yet the aluminium present in aluminium foil, juice packets and a variety of other places including over the counter antacids is perfectly safe. How does it make mercury 100 times more toxic? Magic? Oh wait… More Lies by anti-vax. And not even very good lies.  

20. As per an independent study aluminum and formaldehyde present in vaccines can increase the toxicity of mercury, in any form, by 1000 times.

Which is industrial grade nonsense of the highest order. I have  been exposed to the kind of formaldehyde concentrations that would make Jagganath claim that I am the the bloody Superman (Cadavers for dissection are soaked in formaldehyde and the “smell” of formaldehyde is basically you inhaling rather huge quantitites of the stuff. Formaldehyde is poisonous but you
do need a fair bit. The issue being that when you drink methanol all of it is converted into formaldehyde faster than you can process it.

Formaldehyde is actually produced in our body as an intermediate in the production of Nucleic Acids. By Jagganath’s logic the amount of mercury I consume in seafood often wrapped in foil plus attending anatomy dissections should have killed me. Or turned into some sort of mutant due to all that extra nucleic acids. I am pretty sure that’s how biology works.

If I lived in a comic book.

21. As per a Tehelka article on Autism, children are receiving 250 times more mercury through vaccines than they can possibly tolerate. The same article states that if one considers the WHO limit for mercury in water, they are receiving 50,000 times the limit. The limits set, incidentally, are for adults and not infants.

Which is industrial grade bollocks because then you should be campaigning against the consumption of shark in southern India since that is a well known source of mercury.

The WHO standard for water concentration of methyl mercury (the more toxic form) in water is 2 mcg per litre. Ethyl mercury is less toxic and excreted far faster than methyl mercury (over hours rather than days) with less absorption. In 10 days you have drunk more methyl mercury than a single vaccine. Congratulations.

Oh food wise? Per person per day we consume around 20 mcg of mercury. More in some people who like a lot of fish.

50,000 times the limit? In order to reach that value based on water you would multiple 2 x 50,000 = 100,000. Then you would divide by 20 = 5000.

This means that in order to produce a dose 50,000 times the limit of the EPA you would need to inject yourself with 5000 vaccines simultaneously and via IV. Not that only one regular vaccine really contains any significant quantity of thiomersal and that I don’t think anyone recieves 5000 vaccines in their life time. A quick check and it turns out there is like at most 20 to 25 shots throughout your life. I am pretty sure if I injected you with 5000 vaccines (assuming each is a tiny 3 mL dose) I would need a syringe 15 Litres in capacity. I must point out there is 15 litres of fluid in an average human body so we would need to double the human volume. The argument is frankly stupid.

This is without going into the fact that the body excretes ethyl mercury and that Jagganath swaps between inorganic mercury, methyl mercury and dimethyl mercury stats.  

22. Autism in India has emerged as the most rapidly growing epidemic amongst children. From 1 in 500 it has steadily climbed to 1 in 37 today. As per Indian doctors, “You can go to any class of any school today and find an autistic child.”

Amusing. Since the incidence of autism in India is not 1 in 37. Infact the incidence rate being quoted is allegedly one from Korea. Infact the current autism rate in India is UNKNOWN due to the complete lack of proper psychiatric care available across the nation. The major thrust of indian medicine is primary healthcare with a few secondary care specialities. Psychiatry is sadly not a field of much importance due to the social and clinical stigma of such cases.

However the truth is the diagnosis of autism is a very difficult task and that autism has sadly become a wonderful pop diagnosis by many doctors. Many children with autism seemingly “grow out” of their disorders. Some are genuinely autistic and have been socialised in a way that they understand behaviour and have adopted it. Some are however not autistic. There are shy, quiet and weird children. Their shyness, quietness and weirdness may not be pathological, it may merely be a quirk of personality. Psychiatry as a science is extremely subjective (for a science) and I do feel that sometimes parents think that any deviation from the idea of normal demands a psychiatric explanation for such behaviour.

1 in 100 sounds about right for the current incidence of autism. Globally that’s probably the rate with local variations in distribution. I believe the problem in India is due to the complete lack of infrastructure with regards to diagnosis of autism. Autism is not the be all and end all of the world. Many autistic people live normal lives that are indistinguishable from you or me. Most are for all intents and purposes normal. We may as well start worrying about the rise of dyslexia in our populations.  

23. Autism is a permanent disability that affects the child physically, mentally and emotionally. It makes the child loose social contact. It impedes both the physical and mental growth of the child. It destroys the brain causing severe memory and attention problems. According to vaccine researcher Dr Harris Coulter, vaccines cause children to become pervert and criminal. All the school shootings by the children in the USA are by autistic children. Vaccines can cause more harm that even the medical community privately acknowledges.

Jagganath here crosses the line and limbos under the bar of good taste. And I set that bar really bloody low to the ground.

So let’s throw down some medicine. Autism is clinically defined as a developmental disorder that occurs in the first 3 years of life. It is a PHYSICAL condition linked to abnormal biology and chemistry. The exact aetiology of autism is UNKNOWN. Any person saying that they know the cause of autism is vaccines is trying to sell a load of wank and should be called out for being such a wanker.

There is a genetic variation that causes autism. This is because monozygotic twins (effective clones) exhibit it more if one of the pair has it than dizygotic twins (two separate eggs and sperm). More boys (3 to 4 times more) are affected than girls indicating it is linked directly or indirectly to the X chromosome (If it was Y based it would be solely in boys). There are very specific methods of diagnosing autism (eg. CHAT and the ASQ) including genetic and metabolic tests.

The major problem with autism is that parents fear bringing children in for diagnosis. As the stigma of autism and mental disorder has fallen in the west, so has the increase in Autism diagnosis as parents are more likely to bring their children in for diagnosis and care.

There are five methods of treating autism. Applied Behaviour Analysis, Cognitive Speech Therapy, Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy Linked to Learning and Medication. Medication is solely advised in cases of autistic children who are afflicted with destructive behaviour that makes them dangerous, extreme compulsion, mood swings and aggression. Sometimes it helps in case of insomnia and in cases of dietary issues.

Dr. Harris Coulter can jump in a fucking well for all I care but there has been no link between autism and criminal behaviour. Nor school shootings. It’s the use of a tragic occurence to scare people into thinking that if you vaccinate then your kid will shoot up a school.

At no point did anyone want to talk about what went through those children’s minds when they shot up those schools, why they thought those things so that we can stop further such attacks. No one was interested in the “why” of the situation. And one can point out that ease of access to guns helps.  

24. Autistic children also suffer from severe bowel disorders. As per Dr Andrew Wakefield, this is due to the vaccine stra
in live measles virus in the MMR vaccine. Nearly all children become fully autistic after the MMR shot.

Andrew Wakefield purposefully misdiagnosed children and subjected them to a series of invasive tests and produced a toe curlingly bad piece of research solely to make money via a lawsuit.

Most children do not develop autism after the MMR vaccine.  

25. The DPT also causes children to regress giving rise to fears that multiple live virus vaccines are an important cause behind autism. If three live viruses can cause so much harm we can well imagine what today’s five and seven viruses vaccines will do to children.

They do not cause children to regress. Infact one of the oddities of vaccination is that vaccinated children have lower incidences of neurological conditions than non-vaccinated children. The DPT vaccine is also bacterial (Corneybacterium Diptheriae, Bordetella Pertussis and Clostridium Tetanii) and not viral. So there is that.  

26. Before the autism epidemic, it is already well known that vaccines have caused the cancer epidemic in today’s society. Both the Small Pox and the Oral Polio Vaccine are made from monkey serum. This serum has helped many cancer causing monkey viruses, 60 found so far, to enter the human blood stream.

The method by which variola and polio viruses were attenuated would also affect the simian virus thus immunising us against the viruses themselves. The cancer epidemic is due to the fact we live so goddamn long. You have to die of something. Human life is a series of bottle necks. Vaccines destroy one bottleneck so more people die at the other bottlenecks. To someone living in the DRC or some other Least Developed Country heart attacks are rare because most people do not make it to that particular age of where that bottle neck of health occurs. We do.

Vaccines caused cancer by ensuring more people live longer. The longer people are alive the more likely they are to get cancer. Prostate cancer is really rare if most people die by the age of 45.

27. It is also known that it is the use of green monkey serum in vaccines that has led to the transfer of the Sivian Immune deficiency Virus (SIV) from monkeys into humans. The SIV and the HIV that causes AIDS are very similar.

Actually it was probably due to the mixing of human blood and ape/monkey blood during the slaughter of bushmeat in Africa. The SIV and HIV are retroviruses and are actually really fragile. The attenuation procedure would actually kill them outright.

28. Not only AIDS, a blood cancer in infants (Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia) that is affecting children in thousands is also due to the extremely toxic nature of vaccine ingredients.

ALL is mainly due to exposure to radiation, translocations of 9/22 and 4/11 chromosomes and benzene exposure. It shows high occurences in Down’s, Fanconi’s Anaemia, Bloom’s, X-linked Agammaglobulinemia, Ataxia telangiectasia and other diseases.

It’s not due to vaccines.  

29. Infantile jaundice and also infantile diabetes is also scientifically connected to the toxic vaccines.

Let’s break this down separately.

Infantile Jaundice is due to a variety of reasons. There is good old physiological jaundice which is something that nearly every baby born suffers from. This is due to increased blood load on liver, incomplete uptake, incomplete conjugation of billirubin and incomplete excretion.

Now the pathological causes are more common. Membrane disorders, Sepsis, Arteriovenous malformation, G6PD deficiency, Pyruvate Kinase deficiency, Sickle cell Anaemia, Alpha Thalassemia, Haemolytic Disease of Newborn, Rh incompatibility, Breast milk feeding (yes… Seriously though? If that’s the case the baby is placed under a white light photoincubator and feeding is continued since the benefits of the feed outweigh the jaundice caused), Cephalohaematoma, Polycythemia Vera, Hypothyroid, Gilbert’s Syndrom, Criggler Najjar Syndrome, TORCH, Galactosemia, Alpha-1-antitrypsin deficiency, Cystic Fibrosis, Total Parenteral Nutrition and Alagille Syndrome.

Note how vaccines aren’t in the list.

29. The live polio viruses used in the Oral Polio Vaccine has caused Vaccine Attributed Paralytic Polio in more than 65,000 children as per doctors of the Indian Medical Association. In the USA this vaccine has caused polio 16 years after administration. The OPV has also let loose a new strain of polio in both India and Africa. The OPV is banned in other countries.

Vaccine Associated Polio is mainly seen in children who aren’t properly vaccinated by the OPV. It’s a rare complication caused by an insufficiently vaccinated individual being exposed to the OPV in normal sources of infection.

In India last year there were just 12 cases of Vaccine Associated Polio. In a country of 1 billion people. The OPV is the preferred vaccine in areas where endemic polio is present due to the higher levels of immunity it grants over the IPV and due to the sub-clinical transfer mechanism granting other people some mode of immunity. As wild cases of polio disappear due to the vaccine preventing the spread and propogation of wild polio countries swap to the IPV.

India has endemic polio, so the OPV is used.  

30. Vaccines contain serum from not only chimpanzees and monkeys but also from cows, pigs, chickens, eggs, horses, and even human serum and tissues extracted from aborted fetuses.

And?

This really is an argument based on “See all this weird stuff! It’s not natural!”. Just because you cannot understand function does not mean that something doesn’t work. I don’t understand exactly how a jet engine works (I understand it’s compression of air but precise function is alien to me) but that doesn’t mean I can mock the damn thing.  

31. Deaths and permanent disability from vaccines is very common and known by the medical community. They are instructed by the Government to keep quiet and not to associate such cases with vaccines.

The government of India couldn’t plan a booze up in a pub. Seriously? When they tried to run the Commonwealth Games they had to rush to finish building, fucked up the accomodations and had a shoddily constructed bridge collapse on them. And I am supposed to believe that they single handedly control all the doctors in the land?

Fat Chance. Doctors know vaccines work. Death from vaccines and permanent disability is so rare that I haven’t heard of a single one. Not one.  

32. Many doctors argue that diseases during childhood are due to the body exercising its immune system. Suppressing these diseases causes the immu
ne system to remain undeveloped causing the various autoimmune disorders like diabetes and arthritis that have become epidemics today.

Which is why those western kids who don’t exercise their immune systems are so weak and pitiful while Indian kids are so strong and healthy right? This argument seems to admit that vaccines work though…

I would like to talk to these doctors who think “Diseases Exercise the Immune System”. Mainly to note down their MCI numbers and have them drummed out of the institution since their argument is plain moronic and indicative of a complete lack of ability and knowledge. Your immune system does not function better the more you get sick. It’s not a muscle.

And yes, vaccination does not cause diabetes and arthritis. It does howeveer let you live long enough to get those lifestyle disorders.  

33. Vaccines suppress the natural immunity and the body does not have natural antibodies anymore. The mothers milk therefore does not contain natural antibodies and can no longer protect the child against illnesses.

Vaccines function through the natural system of specific immunity and the antibodies produced by a vaccine and by the disease are indistinguishable from each other. Breast milk itself loses it’s effectiveness over time since the baby’s immune system detects the maternal antibodies and destroys them since they are foreign bodies. It’s why the protection from it wanes.   

34. In the USA vaccine adverse effects are recorded and the Government offers compensation of millions of dollars to victims (the most recent case in its Vaccine Court may have received upto $200 million in damages). The Indian Government simply refuses to acknowledge that vaccines can cause deaths and permanent disability.

Out of 8000 cases made to the Vaccine Court only 950 have recieved compensation and the system is a no-fault system. If you can prove that your child has a vaccine related side effect (as listed on the side of the box through testing) then you get money with relation to that. The majority of the major damages paid were to Hannah Poling who may have suffered damage due to possessing a rare mitochondrial disorder.

The Indian government acknowledges that, however it knows that vaccination prevents more deaths and disabilities than the anti-vax lobby claims it causes. It’s infact laughably moronic to be anti-vax in India since it requires a very selective blindness to all the dead children.  

35. It has been scientifically proven that vaccines cannot prevent disease. Vaccines try to create humoral (blood related immunity) whereas it has been found that immunity is developed at various levels, humoral as well as cellular. We still do not know enough about the human immune system and therefore should not interfere with it.

This is just plain stupid. We know about immunology, there is an entire fucking field that we do research in. We know way more than Jagganath and his quacks. It’s been scientifically proven that vaccines prevent diseases all over the bloody world when we made goddamn smallpox extinct. This isn’t up for debate anymore, this is fact.

The more anti-vax argue on this point the more stupid they sound. Non Specific immunity is not as powerful as the specific immune system because people without a specific immune system get sick really easily.

That’s what an AIDS patient is. He is an individual without a specific immune system. Surely by Jagganath’s logic that patient would be perfectly fine right? It’s only humoral immunity after all.  

36. In the USA parents are informed about vaccine after effects and their consent has to be taken before vaccinating their children. In India the Government assures the population through massive advertising campaigns that vaccines are extremely safe. Parents refusing to vaccinate are threatened by the administration.

Ah yes bullshit merchants! Since vaccine side effects are mentioned before administration of the vaccine even in India… This is just an outright lie.

You aren’t threatened by the admin so much as exposed to real disease. Lot more vaccine preventable diseases are around in India and so it’s a lot more easier for us to say I told you so.   

37. THERE IS NO SYSTEM OF TREATMENT TO TREAT A VACCINE DAMAGED CHILD. The parents have to run from one hospital to another. The Government turns a blind eye and refuses to even acknowledge the vaccine connection.

Because everything Jagganath thinks is a connection is not, and I have seen vaccine side effects being treated and have treated them myself. (Things like rashes, fevers and chills). In India parents run from hospital to hospital as there is no complete healthcare system and everything is run in a patchwork system of public and private coverage. You would have to run from hospital to hospital if you thought you broke your foot too.

38. Medical doctors have challenged even the vaccines recommended by the Government of India. The BCG vaccine for tuberculosis has been extensively tested in India as long back as 1961 and found to be totally ineffective. The OPV is causing polio and other neurological and intestinal disorders in tens of thousands of Indian children. The Hep-B vaccine introduced recently is not meant for children at all, it is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease that should be targeted only at promiscuous adults. The tetanus vaccine contains both aluminum and mercury besides the tetanus toxoid. The doctors themselves avoid the DPT as it is one of the most toxic vaccines ever devised. The measles vaccine is a vaccine that regularly causes severe adverse effects and the health workers want it out.

In Tamil Nadu where the BCG vaccine was rolled out, TB has become so rare that when a TB positive case is seen you are immediately required to test for HIV. BCG mainly protects against variations on TB such as TB meningitis and miliary TB. I dealt with the OPV argument earlier. Hepatitis B vaccine is VITAL in halting the spread of a fairly terrible disease that can spread through horizontal transmission and vertical transmission. The tetanus vaccine protects against fucking tetanus and toxoid is a component and is different from a toxin. And I have been vaccinated with the DPT because Diptheria and Tetanus scare the everloving fuck out of me.

Finally? No Fucking Healthcare Worker Wants the Measles Vaccine Out. Measles kills 60,000 children in India per year (half of the world’s deaths to measles are in India). India has poorer measles vaccine coverage than Africa. It’s got a long way to go in producing coverange and guess what? All sane healthcare workers want more vaccination with the vaccine. Maybe Jagganath hangs out with a bunch of quacks but the real workers want more of this vaccine that would save 60,000 lives per year.  

40. The pediatricians are introducing dubious vaccines in India, which are being op
posed by the doctors, politicians, and public in American and European countries. The Rotavirus vaccine, Hib vaccine, HPV vaccine and the various multi various vaccines being introduced without any kind of testing is only because the vaccine manufacturers and the doctors administering them want to ensure a good income from them. They care two hoots about medical ethics and the fate of the children who will receive these vaccines. Vaccines containing nano particles and viruses and also plant based genetically honest doctors worldwide are opposing modified vaccines.

Rotavirus vaccine would stop the biggest cause of infantile diarrhoea and therefore the biggest cause of child mortality in India. Haemophillus Influenza B vaccine would stop one of the biggest causes of meningitis. HPV would stop one of the biggest causes of cervical cancer which is one of the biggest causes of deaths in women. Many of these have been tested for a decade. Just not in India since the manufacturers of these are not Indian. Good income? The HPV vaccine costs $390… The cost of a single case of cervical cancer varies from thousands of dollars to thousands of dollars and sterility and loss of sexual function to death. Doctors in India make a killing because there are so many diseases.

Medical ethics are all well and dandy for someone whose article is a tapestry of lies. And to my knowledge there are no “doctors” opposing vaccines. Only quacks.

    Of course they aren’t exhaustive! There is no depth to the well of Anti-Vax stupidity and I have long given up being amazed by their highly ludicrous arguments. I however am stating that if Jagganath Chaterjee wants to make up stupid challenges then I will be glad to take his money off him. I could do a lot of good with $90,000 and in return I am willing to place James Randi’s Million Dollar Reward as a counter offer.

    The challenge Mr. Jagganath lists has different rules to the ones he has stated. Mr. Jagganath has CLEARLY stated that a $90,000+ (yes, US Dollar Ninety Thousand) award for any doctor who will drink a mixture containing the total quantum of toxins that are pushed into the childrens little bodies till the age of six in the name of “immunisation”” and so that is the challenge I will hold him to rather than the other challenge mentioned which is to drink something called a “weight adjusted dose of the collective toxins in vaccines which I assume is just anti-vax speech for if we combine the total volume of all vaccines and times it by your weight you will get poisoned by this higher amount because we think biology works by linear equation” .

    Yes, I will take all the vaccines that an Indian 6 year old has recieved and drink them if and only if Mr. Chaterjee proves that he has $90,000 for this challenge and comes down to witness me drink and indeed hands over the money personally. Because no one likes anyone who welshes out on deals now do they?