Animal Liberation – The forgotten war between science and ignorance

Crazy Death Threats against students

The animal liberation movement ranges across the spectrum of common sense from scientists to laughable ideas of ecology such as the people who outright ban certain kinds of hunting solely because the animal is cute rather than the actual effect of said animal on the environment to the utterly deadly.

For most of us the idea of animal liberation is a rather genteel idea. Save the cute animals. We revel in the childish idea that foxes are adorable and that bunnies are cute despite the reality that foxes kill livestock and bunnies are vermin that eat tonnes of produce and breed at alarming rates. You don’t see the animal lib movement worry about the rabbit and cane toad problem of Australia. 

The sinister side of the movement lies in its extremists. These are people who equate human life of the same value as any other species of animal and justify murder and harassment of individuals. One such individual is Camille Marino. I assume this is a pseudonym, as calling for the attack of specific people with actual plans as laid out here really should trigger various alarm bells. Particularly when any of us could be in their arbitrary firing line.

Let’s not kid ourselves. Animal rights are important, we need to treat animals with respect where appropriate. I am against the usage of animals for testing non pharmaceuticals unless where appropriate (You really need to test insecticides for toxicity unless you want dead humans and a lot more dead animals). If there were a way to test medication without killing anything for the same (or probably cheaper) price then we would do it. However we don’t have another feasible option, and we are researching into alternatives because whoever discovers a viable alternative makes “bank”.

However now we have calls from individuals to target the most exposed aspect of biology and medicine. The students.

The vivisection complex must be dismantled and we will realize this objective only through mass concerted efforts that abandon staid and ineffective traditional tactics (lobbying, educating, debating, etc) to instead pursue abolition by any means necessary and put the vivisection industry and Big Pharma under the knife. Each and every avenue through which we may gain a foothold needs to be explored and pursued if we are to advance our agenda.”

It should be dismantled by providing us an equal or better method for testing. The traditional tactics don’t work because they are baseless. PETA’s arguments range from the idiotic Sea Kittens project to just having no clue how medical experimentation works because quite frankly they have no idea how medication works. We cannot talk to you guys because you are fanatics and kind of dumb. You show incredible lack of understandings in biology and assume we enjoy injuring animals.

The people being targeted are the strongest voices for ecology and protection of species and the ones best equipped to do so. Species like the Californian condor were not saved by burning labs but by biologists using techniques they learnt experimenting on other creatures to raise and release condors.

For the obscene profits of the pharmaceutical industries and the disease management (not “health care”) system, every year in university labs, private research facilities, and military dungeons, millions of animals are being sliced, diced, poisoned, infected, and hideously mutilated without remorse.”

We do have remorse for our testing. We really do love animals and do wish we had to use less for our research, infact we are using less. The problem is you do need to test on an animal because it is a living coalition of systems rather than just a patch of cells. Interaction between the various systems is what we worry about.

The fact is that human society is reliant on the death of animals for our benefit. Just like every other animal is reliant on competitive deaths of other animals. Does the ALF really think that the food they eat has not been grown without the murder of innocent creatures?

And we slice, dice, poison, infect and mutilate animals for a reason. To either educate people about biology without having to do the same to a human being (Sorry kids. Models just do not cut it. I can show you a model liver and 10 real ones and the model will not look the same.). You can see as many models as you want but they only give you a rough idea of what living anatomy is like. Again we test drugs on animals because life is a complex interplay of chemicals and artificial methods simply do not model the interactions between chemicals sufficiently and with adequate safety. 

It seems illogical to think poison has a benefit but you are forgetting that in disease there is an imbalance within the body. A poison causing an opposite effect can produce a homeostatic effect alleviating
a disease. Even the simplest of over the counter medications can produce side effects from toxicity. This is the actual principle of medicine. The alternative medicine work on magic principles and woo. In most cases medication gives us either time to heal or a helping hand. In order to find out exact dosages and calculate effects and indeed develop a drug it needs to be tested on animals.

Every time a vivisector’s car or home — and, eventually, the abuser him/herself — blows up, flames of liberation light up the sky. And now we have a golden opportunity to begin to destroy the foundations upon which Bogus Big Pharma and the academic-industrial complex rest — the vivisection research model can be made unworkable and obsolete. A strategic and streamlined above-ground resistance advanced in coordination with that of our anonymous underground counterparts can yield that elusive point of critical mass at which the infrastructure begins to implode and the grant money stolen from taxpayers begins to dry up — the only remnant of the atrocities being the trail of blood from the cages to the incinerator to the parking lot to the vivisectors’ homes, adorned with windows that can be opened and doors with locks that can be picked.”

And thus we see the call for murder. I make no pretence of liking these arseholes. They are calling for the death of scientists for the purpose of their world view which would result in untold deaths by the halting of the medical process. 

I am willing to talk, but not to terrorists and people calling for murder. I am willing to improve our systems but quite frankly if you are making threats about  how our houses are easy to break into and how we can easily be killed in car bombs… then quite frankly we are done talking and you deserve to be treated like criminals.

“When we attack professors, we can only expect limited gains. They are deeply entrenched in the holocaust, have vested financial interests, and enjoy a network of support and protection. Students, however, have no round-the-clock police protection, no access to the FBI, and no access to legislators. The weakest link in the chain is the student body. Vivisectors-in-training can be shut down with relative ease.

They also are the next generation and it is our responsibility to ensure that they are the last generation. Unless we intercede now, the students of today will be the mutilators of tomorrow. Conversely, there will be no animal torturers tomorrow if we effectively eliminate them today.” 

We students are vulnerable to them. We have to routinely attend university while most of these individuals do not. We are poor and cannot afford security; we are easily abducted and so on… They know this. We know this. However if any student is attacked the backlash will be phenomenal. Does anyone really think that attacking a student will achieve anything but the total destruction of the animal liberation movement as terrorists?

We won’t be the last generation of vivisectionists. All you will do is scare off some of us and make the rest of the world sit up to your nonsense. The entire leadership of most of the animal liberation groups would be suspect even the more liberal ones as many are complicit in protecting such movements as even PETA have made similar statements to yours in the past. 

“We recently met an aspiring vivisector named Alena Rodriguez who exposed, perhaps, the greatest industry vulnerability we’ve yet to isolate — students.”

I feel really sorry for her. Her career in science has been ruined by intimidation and by the use of fear. I am sorry that she was not able to acquire help from the rest of the science community and advice as to what to do when dealing with these individuals. They are genuinely quite determined to ruin lives and when confronted by their tactics, we should bring the full force of the law into play and stand together as a group. This is simply bullying and threats aimed at a person

“By and large, students pursuing careers in research science truly want to help people, not victimize animals. Their indoctrination into the world of laboratory torture is slow, methodical, and deliberate. While they are being groomed, we are obligated to intercede and educate these young scientists with truth. As Alena admitted, “I was naive…I really just did not know about all this stuff.” And she is not unique.”

By intercede and educate they mean threaten and intimidate. Not all of us are so easy to fool with grainy pictures of slaughterhouses. And it’s a case of our society forgetting where food comes from.

Students also need to understand that making the wrong choice will result in a lifetime of grief. Aspiring scientists envision curing cancer at the Mayo Clinic. We need to impart a new vision: car bombs, 24/7 security cameras, embarrassing home demonstrations, threats, injuries, and fear. And, of course, these students need to realize that any personal risk they are willing to assume will also be visited upon
their parents, children, and nearest & dearest loved ones. The time to reconsider is now.”

Not only are we threatened but they also threaten innocent bystanders. Why should we bend to the will of terrorists and bullies? Why should we even negotiate? If you threaten the students, big pharma will simply leave your nations and go test in other countries where there is no oversight. The research will not stop but the local students will suffer. So make a stand now, no one is calling for the torture of animals. Torture exists solely for the sake of torture, there is purpose to animal experimentation and the understanding of that is out of the grasp of the animal right’s movement. 

“Like all young adults, college students are acutely concerned with how they are perceived by their peers. They need to maintain a certain persona if they wish to continue to enjoy the acceptance of their community. This makes them infinitely more susceptible to negative and inflammatory publicity than their veteran-mutilator counterparts. When education fails, smear campaigns can be highly effective. Abusers have forfeited all rights to privacy and peace of mind and, if an abuser-to-be should fail to make the correct choice now, NIO is here to broadcast all of their personal information. Remember, young people document every facet of their personal lives online. In about 30 minutes, we were able to compile an impressive and comprehensive profile for Elena.”

The curse of facebook, oh not only does the average student have to face down interviewers who can Google us and find photos of us at our worst (dressed in drag and attempting to drink a yard of ale possibly) but now we have to deal with the threat of our information being leaked to potential terrorists who will encourage us to be targeted.

“We need to begin to actively identify those enrolled in scientific disciplines and isolate the students preparing for or involved in biological research. We need to get into the universities and speak to classes. This poses a minor, but not insurmountable, obstacle for many activists that have been trespassed, banned, or TROed. We need to team up with other aggressive campaigners who excel at engaging and educating. We need to implement a “good cop, bad cop” approach to keep our targets off balance and maximize our effectiveness.” 

There is no good cop/bad cop here, there is only a collection of insane individuals whose ideology is so bankrupt that they equate the life of a human to that of a rabbit or a mouse under the guise of compassion willing to damn thousands of lives worth of medical research in exchange for a few mice who wouldn’t survive outside of a lab environment. We extend compassion to animals out of compassion. We want our animals to be treated better solely because we can afford to do so because we are so abundant in resources, however if it came to starvation… then most of us would happily eat meat. I have seen people eating maggotty rice soley because the choices are “eat maggots” or “starve”. When the chips are down, humans will do anything to survive. Society exists because we can afford to maintain it at this point.

We experiment on animals because we have no other options. Not experimenting on animals means either releasing untested drugs on people which no one will want causing untold deaths. There are no computer models or in vitro techniques despite what we are told that can match an entire animal for cost as well. This is the best option that we have. And what the animal liberation movement does not understand is that we would rather not have to hurt animals to do research but are left with no choice since there are no other alternatives. I assure you, medicine does work and that the idea that we don’t cure anything is utterly daft. We do cure a lot of diseases, including cancer which seems to be the catchword of choice for incurable diseases (not AIDS? Daft buggers really!)

Camille Marino is nothing but a terrorist or atleast someone who sympathises with them. She/He/It is a douche, possibly the biggest douche in the universe. If there were an award I would nominate her to get it.

We have been threatened by her/him/it with death for the experimentation of animals rather than sensible discourse. Instead of providing us options we have been left with the choice of submit or perish. The threat is to all of us in any biological field. We have all done animal experiments of some sort or the other. We are all in their firing lines. 

I don’t think I will give up, will you?  


  1. says

    I have been following the discussion, if you can call it that, on the NIO site. That group has absolutely no ability to us logic in any of their arguments. It is no wonder they call themselves "Negotiation is Over". They do not have the capabilities to negotiate. Their only weapon is fear.

    You, on the other hand,have been remarkably eloquent in dissembling their points. You deserve a lot of credit

  2. says

    I have been following the discussion, if you can call it that, on the NIO site. That group has absolutely no ability to us logic in any of their arguments. It is no wonder they call themselves "Negotiation is Over". They do not have the capabilities to negotiate. Their only weapon is fear.

    You, on the other hand,have been remarkably eloquent in dissembling their points. You deserve a lot of credit

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