I have been informed by Lee Moore that I won’t be participating in any of his peace talks. My terms, which consisted of “renounce the slime pit“, were deemed to be unacceptable by “Every single person [he] spoke with on that side that has enough influence to qualify for such a talk.” Justin Vacula and Reap Paden were offered as examples.
Someone with that kind of influence is someone who has outlets for their viewpoints. Vacula and Paden each have a blog where they can interact with their community, a YouTube channel, and at least one podcast with which to disseminate their views. That’s more than I have, actually, as Atheists Talk is aimed at a broad enough audience that getting into disagreements strictly within the secular and skeptical communities is almost never in our scope. It’s a straight interview show, not a platform for me to air my views. I need to use YouTube more, but it’s mostly terrible for anything with this much history. At its best, it can capture a discussion for posterity.
So they have blogs and YouTube and podcasts, but they still feel that leaving the slime pit is an unacceptably large price to pay for the time and attention they keep demanding from me. So what is it they’re unwilling to give up? What don’t they get at the rest of those places? Don’t keep reading unless you really want to know.
The appeal of the pit, I’m told repeatedly is that it isn’t moderated in any way. It’s a bastion of the most free of free speech. In practical terms, that means that people there get to add value to the great debates of our times by calling me:
- Beached Whale
- The Disinterested Cow
- Cowntess Svan Zepplin [sic]
- vinegar tits
- Black Svan
Someone named “cunt” asked for a reference picture to “shop” a Zvanatee. The response was to post a picture of me moderating a session on promoting critical thinking at ScienceOnline 2011(?):
bhoytony: It’s OK somebody already made the picture. Here it is, you can hardly tell it’s a shoop.
Struth: Who’s holding the mic, is that Stefunny? Shes a fatty, lol! She ate all the pies. I take it that’s “masala skeptic”
cunt: That is professional quality work.
Dick Strawkins: Here’s the original.
Sulaco: Oh the Huge Svanity!
Lsuoma: Oh the Huge Svanity!
Lsuoma: Unexpected LULZdupe…
Because, you see, I’m fat, so…yeah, I don’t know what the point is either. But it’s an integral part of the slime pit.
papillon: Maybe you’re thinking of Stephunny Svan being moved from her house?
Integral, as you can tell from the “nicknames”. So is claiming that Greg Laden and I must be having an affair. There’s the “sex tape” of course.
And open discussion about how it’s supposed to be some power play to post it:
Zvan isn’t even a challenge to Mykeru. It’s such an easy win. She has to be offended and outraged, let everyone know she is being victimised so they can run to defend her honour. After all, sex was mentioned and her pussy is sacred. “What if people believe him and think I would have sex in front of a camera!” Her posting of so many of his “sex tape with Laden” tweets on a blog post about Mykeru’s sex tape with laden “harassment” almost makes one wonder if he was spot on.
She is harassing herself.
Zvan, grow a fucking thicker skin, and stop caring about what others might think of you. Your “honor” is no more worthy of respect than anyone else’s. You are not a special snowflake, princess.
When a stranger having a go, by tweeting about a sex tape you never made, gets under your skin that easily, where you are emotional and reactive and hand over your power publicly, including fucking re-posting the tweets so that tonnes more people can see them and have a laugh, it’s not Mykeru who has the problem.
and can she be any more of the derrogatory stereotypical chick? emotional, defensive, angry, puritan, and claiming to be a victim in order to get sympathy. truly pathetic.
That’s hardly the only time, of course, because…originality, I guess. And do try not to forget that I’m fat.
Mykeru: You want sad? Give it a few years and pay a visit to a 40-something Rebecca Watson holding court in some hotel bar.
Concentrate H2O, OM: “Calm down love, it was just a piece of sweetcorn.”
Tony Parsehole: Steffy Zvan says : “That’s the first and last time I’m licking your bald pate”
Darren: Is that from the real Svan/Laden sex tape?
It isn’t all about trying to insult us with photos, of course (and those are just some from the main thread, rather than the thread devoted to Photoshop). There are also the stories they make up, believe, and pass around. There was the one about Greg after he was removed from FtB:
So they will clean him up and bring him back into cabinet after a token time away. Just the thing they do with MPs who embarrass their government here in Canuckland. Though he did claim he needed time off anyway.
There’s the bit about defrauding Thunderf00t of his take from the last month his content was available (in case he wanted to move it):
Well that’s mighty curious. Course, if FTB retain intellectual property rights to anything posted by their bloggers, then they can whatever they like with the revenue from Tf00t’s blog. If not, and the rights remain with him, then there should be no debate as whether he gets his share or not (or, as Tf00t suggests, donate it to the cause he outlined in his non-FTB blog).
Still, sheds more light on why FTB retained the blog – follow the money, and all that. Must be pretty galling to find that Tf00t’s blog, though inert, was still raking in more than many of those still active on the site Wonder which comes first to Ed and PZ – social justice or the loot?
Curiously, a Google for Greg Laden’s X Blog on FTB still shows it being hosted by FTB – but it redirects to his non-FTB X-blog. Guess Laden’s stuff was just not raking in enough to remain viable, I guess.
There’s the the idea anyone was trying to destroy and replace TAM:
Stephanie is such a trip – apparently, since Rebecca didn’t tell ftb that she was out to destroy TAM, she wasn’t…Wait a sec, I thought intent didn’t matter? When I had posted Amy’s address here and had said that my intentions were not malicious, I was utterly dismissed by ftb bloggers. Apparently now, because Rebecca had no intent — as Stephanie says — she’s clear of any charges regardless of what happened as a result of what she wrote. Also, Rebecca didn’t intend to boycott Dawkins as she said (regardless of what was written) so she’s clear there.More double standards/different standards for different people. That’s skepticism there……and lol at Rebecca not complaining much. Never mind the speeches she hijacks to talk about her alleged ‘rape threats’ and whatever else which has nothing to do with the title of the speech. Why in the world are people still inviting her to speak?”They told you not to yield to temptation, but offered you only hypocrisy and ruin.”
There’s the bit about us cornering the market on speaking about atheism:
It was a terrible idea to take them on directly by running a petition. To do that you are validating their stance, yet their official stance is a facade behind which they hide their real agenda – maintaining their monopoly of highly paid speaker positions in the US conference circuit.
A monopoly, because no speakers disagree on these matters. Not at all.
Then there are their other attempts to rewrite history. Did you know that the push for anti-harassment policies was completely redundant?
The sad thing is, they have already gotten what they claimed was all they wanted – almost all conventions already had adequate harassment policies in place, and some orgs even modified their existing policies to better placate the hysterical shriekers. But they carry on like nothing has changed, still malign the community as a bunch of rapey harassers, and they’re now demanding more and more.
It wasn’t, by the way.
Or that I taunted Dawkins over “pushback”:
I remember Stefunny suggesting “the pushback was getting him down”, gleefully referring to the Baboon’s constant badgering of Dawkins, but I reckon Dawkins could not care less, and judging by the amount of whaling and gnashing of teeth over at FfTB and Skepchick, it is they who are “getting down from the pushback”.
The difference is, pushback towards the Baboons is considered “misogyny”, “hatred of women”, “cyberstalking”, etc. Pushback towards Dawkins is considered fair game.
Actually, it was the opposite.
Or that this is all for attention?
isn’t the Streisand effect exactly what they want? They crave the attention they get whenever they play the victim card, and so what if someone bothers checking up their name or address? They know perfectly fine that they are in no real danger from anyone, so playing the victim card to get “community cred” and to sell their “art” is completely risk free. Hell, if they become really good at it, they might even be able to become a “personality” and get flown around to speaking gigs where they can talk about themselves, just as a certain blue-haired blob managed to do.
Because none of us could be sincere about trying to make the movement more welcoming to women.
Finally, of course, the slime pit is used to present ideas on what to do about us all.
I don’t think you should have offered any sort of “cease-fire”. I cringed when I first read about it.
Why should we let up? In any way? These fuckers needs to be utterly annhiliated from the atheist community. Fuck ‘em the ground.
- No goddamn harassment policies (except those cons are obliged to have due to insurance issues).
- No goddamn anti- free speech rules where you’re not allowed to “offend” anyone at cons/seminars.
- I’ll call a cunt a cunt and a bitch a bitch as much as I goddamn well please, thank you.
- No goddamn free childcare at cons. If people want to have kids, fine. If they’re stupid and got a kid without the means to support that kid, not my goddamn problem. If I attend a conference, I want my money to go to that conference’s motherfucking content (i.e. speakers, dinner, location, etc.); not Greta Christina’s adopted African trans-little person.
- Everyone is free to make as much “fake” jewellery as they want.
- No fucking “affirmative action” in regards to the gender/sexuality/race of the speakers at conferences. If there are qualified female speakers, they will be invited. This isn’t kindergarten where we need the teacher to make everyone play with the unpopular kid.
FTB and A+theism are ruining the good name of atheism. And we should do everything in our power to stop them.
Sometimes they’re more subtle:
sacha: poor Justin indeed. He needs to be wired with a spy camera and have a chaperone. I don’t think it is a good idea for him to attend alone.
DownThunder: I had the same thought about a camera, in case (likely) that someone accuses him of something just out of spite. BUT then you know if Justin uses or shows any footage, he’ll be flamed for spying and being all creepy.
However, I still think having solid evidence like video is immensely helpful and outweighs the inevitable and predictable accusations that will be levelled against him.
d4m10n: Meh. Audio recording should do the trick most of the time, for was less in terms of MB.
Sometimes they’re not:
Jerry Conlon this is how you mock Ophie without giving her victim points
["I'm a bit of a cunt when I'm on acid!!!"]
All that? That’s what you’ll see at the slime pit that you won’t see at their blogs. And apparently, it’s more important than any opportunity to discuss the issues they say we should be listening to them on.