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Aug 30 2013

Poo at a Wall, Part I (Update)

As promised/threatened, Edie Kendel has taken to “exposing” me. Apparently, the fact that she knows nothing about me–or the fact that I’m fairly transparent and boring–isn’t going to stop her. Here’s her first attempt at smearing me.

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1) Stephanie Zvan @szvan was behind the tumblr blog. This blog was taken down rather quickly for violating the TOS of the site where it was

1 cont’d) posted. It named men in the skeptic community and accused them of various indiscretions. Some were alleged 1st hand accounts from

1 cont’d) the cooperating party. By cooperating, I mean that the anonynmous source of the alleged impropriety fully participated in the act

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1 cont’d) the man was accused of. Other accounts were mere rumors. Stories someone heard from someone else, basically tall tales. I say tall

1 cont’d) tales bc truth that may have existed was certainly warped as words went from ear to ear. More will be said, Zvan. #uninvitedguest

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@RichSandersen @badsciencemonk @metaburbia As far as evidence, I was aware that everyone would want it. I can’t give my evidence at this…

@RichSandersen @badsciencemonk @metaburbia …time. I can’t compromise my methods of any sources. I haven’t figured out a way to present…

@RichSandersen @badsciencemonk @metaburbia evidence without doing so. I felt it was important enough to say, despite the fact that I can’t

@RichSandersen @badsciencemonk @metaburbia give more about that particular instance at this time. It’s something I’ve wanted to say, but

@RichSandersen @badsciencemonk @metaburbia also wanted to hand over with the smoking gun. The continued deliberate attempts by Zvan at

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@RichSandersen @badsciencemonk @metaburbia ruining, interfering with, affecting others’ lives needs to stop. Did her posting of my name push

@RichSandersen @badsciencemonk @metaburbia this along sooner than I had planned? Sure. Is that the reason why I am saying this? No. That is

@RichSandersen @badsciencemonk @metaburbia actually the least of her malignancies.

Nope. Wasn’t me. I work under my own name, thanks. Whether I’m writing an open letter to Dawkins, starting a petition to the Secular Coalition, sending a letter to the Center for Inquiry board, it’s all done as me. I take my own risks. I do the same damned thing for this mess.

Additionally, I don’t tell the stories of anyone who isn’t willing to deal with the legal scrutiny that public discussion of their claims could entail. I don’t take risks for other people. I don’t encourage them to take legal risks. Not even “anonymously”, because I know what a subpoena is.

Also, even just a quick perusal of the Tumblr terms of service, like the one I made before work, turns up nothing that would have shut that Tumblr down. I didn’t put it up. I didn’t take it down. But whatever the reason it came down, it wasn’t because of the terms of service.

Update: Also, Sasha Pixlee has been willing to go on record stating this: “HAHAHAHAHA I actually know who started that Tumblr, and it wasn’t you (or me) and THEY chose to take it down. Anyone can quote me.” I knew this, but I wasn’t going to put it out there. As I said before, I don’t take risks for other people.

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  1. 1
    G Pierce (Was ~G~)

    “As far as evidence, I was aware that everyone would want it. I can’t give my evidence at this…
    …time. I can’t compromise my methods of any sources. I haven’t figured out a way to present…

    evidence without doing so. I felt it was important enough to say, despite the fact that I can’t

    give more about that particular instance at this time. It’s something I’ve wanted to say, but

    also wanted to hand over with the smoking gun. The continued deliberate attempts by Zvan at ruining, interfering with, affecting others’ lives needs to stop.”

    I won’t hold my breath waiting for the uproar over trial by twitter of Stephanie based on third hand anonymous reports. Innocent until proven guilty, I say!! :)

  2. 2
    tonyinbatavia

    “But! But! But! My wholly-fabricated fictions trump Stephanie’s demonstrable facts because … um … er … uh … I don’t like her. So there!” /sarcasm

    These people really are detestable.

  3. 3
    Jackie, all dressed in black

    tonyinbatavia,

    They sure are.

  4. 4
    Kevin

    Richard Sanderson is the scuzzball who made the false accusations against Avicenna. He is a serial liar and a psychopath.

  5. 5
    Stephanie Zvan

    Kevin, Sanderson has spread a great many lies, but he has come up with a plausible means of having gotten the information about the false accusation from another source. That didn’t stop him from acting like a jackass to Avicenna over the allegation, but we can’t say with any certainty that he originated it.

  6. 6
    Marcus Ranum

    These people should learn that twitter is not a good way to communicate, unless you’re so bad at it that twitter’s format hides your natural incoherence.

    Of course, I’m very happy they stay in twitterspace, as I completely ignore twitter (my @mjranum “feed” is one-way outbound)

  7. 7
    Marcus Ranum

    Where’s the link for your paypal cookie-jar of shoe buying? This reminds me that I need to flex my economic privilege a little bit.

  8. 8
    Anthony K

    These people should learn that twitter is not a good way to communicate, unless you’re so bad at it that twitter’s format hides your natural incoherence.

    Yeah, it’s that second thing.

  9. 9
    Kevin

    Then let me amend my statement. Richard Sanderson is a serial liar and spreader of lies. He is a psychopath.

    Anything he says is more likely to be a lie than not a lie. On a scale of 1 to 10, his credibility rating is minus 10. Perfectly non-credible.

    He is the Platonic Ideal of a scumbag.

  10. 10
    Anthony K

    Where’s the link for your paypal cookie-jar of shoe buying? This reminds me that I need to flex my economic privilege a little bit.

    How’s about a legal offence fund so that Stephanie can sue the fuck out of these dipshits for their false allegations?

  11. 11
    NateHevens, resident SOOPER-GENIUS... apparently...

    I know she says she has evidence, but I’m afraid that if I hold my breath, I’ll suffocate to death…

  12. 12
    Anthony K

    Something in your tip jar, Stephanie. Have a beverage of your choice over the weekend on me.

  13. 13
    Stephanie Zvan

    Marcus, I don’t maintain my own. Feel free to use the one for FtB. It’s been one of those weeks anyway. Avicenna has had to deal with an allegation that he raped someone at TAM messing with his work until they could confirm he hadn’t been in the U.S. then. Jason is on the front page of A Voice for Men today as a “confirmed rapist”. And our ethnic minority and non-U.S. bloggers have been repeatedly told they’re not really part of the network. I’m probably forgetting something else too.

  14. 14
    Stephanie Zvan

    And thank you, Marcus and Anthony.

  15. 15
    F [is for failure to emerge]

    Stop interfering with lives, Stephanie. Quit writing interesting and important things that make me want to come here to read and understand and be informed. Just stop! Because interference.

  16. 16
    oolon

    Wow she has no integrity at all, good job she has no credibility either. She had evidence that five of us were @latsot’s socks… She then had absolute proof that @aratina was @aparticulara and was willing to bet on it to the tune of 3 months off Twitter ->
    https://twitter.com/AmbrosiaX/status/360443736972464130 … I was *so* hoping Rob and Aratina would accept that bet :-( … Massive projection on her part, I wonder who she knows who has vast numbers of sock accounts?

    Who would believe her given this track record of consistently being wrong about everything? Rich Sanderson of course! Just to prove he has learnt his lesson about not giving credence to obviously false smears about people. (Although with Edie spreading this lie she has undermined my claim that all the smears come from the Slymepit, in future I’ll have to refer to he Slyme-Twit collective)

  17. 17
    John Phillips, FCD

    I’m sorry, but am I missing something here as I thought she was going to expose Stephanie’s something or other but all I see is a wall of text saying absolutely nothing. My daughter made more sense before she could even talk properly, for at least you could usually guess what she meant.

  18. 18
    Dana Hunter

    Well, my gosh, what a reveal. I mean, my goodness, that’s absolutely devastating…. in terms of elementry school playground politics. As far as living up to the high standard set by her caginess yesterday, it’s like promising a rocket launcher and handing someone a single-shot Nerf gun.

    What did we do to deserve such low-quality opponents? Sheesh.

  19. 19
    A Hermit

    Anxiously waiting for the “blazing” to begin….

    Well, not really…

  20. 20
    Jafafa Hots

    I have IRONCLAD PROOF that I believe Svan is responsible for the Lindbergh Baby kidnapping.
    If forced to, I will reveal my evidence: a tweet where I make that claim.

  21. 21
    Wowbagger, Designated Snarker

    Good to see my ‘damp squib’ crack from the previous thread has turned out to be an accurate one. What a lightweight.

  22. 22
    Your Name's not Bruce?

    Well, you’re certainly correct about the “poo” part….

  23. 23
    otrame

    Okay, wait. She says SZ started that Names Revealed tumblr, which was then taken down by tumblr. Except it wasn’t SZ and tumblr didn’t take it down.

    Look, sweetie, if you are going to accuse someone of something, especially if you don’t actually know anything, it would be a good idea to be a little less specific, because a claim like that is actually pretty easy to debunk. You end up looking silly. And malicious. And slimy. And pathetic.

    And it helps more if the accusation involves something actually bad, you know, evil. I mean, let us all suppose for a moment that Steph actually did start that tumblr. I think it was a mistake and whoever did start had second thoughts and took it down, but it was hardly something that would haunt the perpetrator for all of eternity. It was at worst ill advised.

    So… let’s recap. Silly. And malicious. And slimy. And pathetic.

  24. 24
    Adamo

    Wait just a doggone minute here: back it up. When did you become boring?

  25. 25
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Let me guess, all the hyperskeptics take her at her word that she has the evidence but totally can’t reveal it, right?

  26. 26
    Hank_Says

    23, otrame:

    Look, sweetie, if you are going to accuse someone of something, especially if you don’t actually know anything, it would be a good idea to be a little less specific, because a claim like that is actually pretty easy to debunk. You end up looking silly. And malicious. And slimy. And pathetic.

    Looking silly, malicious, slimy and pathetic hasn’t stopped Ray Comfort or the Discovery Institute from doing what they do and retaining their acolytes, apologists and assorted arseholes; why the hell would it stop a hatemongering, hypocritical, histrionic halfwit who’s happily aligned themselves with Slyme Central, AVfM, Man-Child’s Rights Activists and every two-bit lackwit troll from here to M_bus and back?*

    Sometimes I think certain of our skeptic heathen “allies” would be better off back under the thumb of dogma. At least a fundie has something resembling an excuse to act like a misogynistic, sociopathic, un-self-aware piece of crap and jump on a bandwagon of harrassment and abuse and hypocrisy.

    What’s more, a fundie has a similar sort of an excuse to jam both feet in their mouth and then blow them off with a shotgun. What’s AmbrosiaX’s excuse? Blinded by lust for those all-important Internet Points**?

    _________________________________
    *AKA a True Skeptic™ and Brave Hero™

    **Only redeemable for more Internet Points.

  27. 27
    Great American Satan

    “The continued deliberate attempts by Zvan at ruining, interfering with, affecting others’ lives needs to stop.”

    Oh christ. I think projection is practically a defining feature of team harassment by now. Next they’ll say Sherms was raped by the informer. Hey, maybe they already have, and I just haven’t read it.

  28. 28
    Great American Satan

    @Hankstar- I am amused. Muchas gracias. :-)

  29. 29
    Hank_Says

    Thanks, Great American Satan :D

    How many internet points is that worth?

  30. 30
    Great American Satan

    I have yet to award anyone an internet. I’m not sure the rules on that sort of thing. But I imagine it’s a lot. :-)

  31. 31
    A Hermit

    We need to formalize this. I think awarding internet points is like scoring in Judo; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo_rules#Scoring

    Ippon wins the match, two Waza-ari equals one Ippon, one Waza-ari beats any number of Yuko.

  32. 32
    Marcus Ranum

    We need to formalize this. I think awarding internet points is like scoring in Judo

    Why bother? Anthony K has already won all the internets, several times over.

  33. 33
    shari

    soooooooo….thought I had best check in. Been awhile.

    How is that blazing going?

  34. 34
    Stephanie Zvan

    That blazing was defensively refusing to answer question about timing on Twitter last I saw.

  35. 35
    shari

    ah. well then. I’ll put away my emergency water bucket for now. I’ll check in next week. Do speak up if anything really uncontainable about your nefarious behavior gets out there.

    Like that whole ‘psuedonym’ outing thingy awhile back ;-)

    s.

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